If asked who won the GOP debate Thursday night, sponsored by Fox News and Google, most pundits and Media personalities will say Mitt Romney. Romney did deliver his usual, well rehearsed, well polished answers and talking points. But he is still a RINO and still as phony as a three-dollar bill. Mitt is still sticking to his latest talking point about not being a professional politician. This after the guy has been running for president for the last five years. As for him being a job-creating businessman, again Romney falls short. His firm was more oriented in slicing and dicing companies, being expert at downsizing. Maybe President Romney is best suited for the final selling off of America to the Chinese. Beyond that, he knows as much about job creation as a pig knows about Sundays. Romney′s worst moment of the night was still denying that Obama is a Socialist.
Rick Perry again proved to be the most genuine, non-scripted contender. Sure, he stumbled a bit on some questions. But the one where he told us the most was the last question of the night, who among the other candidates on stage would you want to be your vice president. Perry gave the most interesting and telling answer, he would want a hybrid of Newt Gingrich and Herman Cain. Imagine the professorial brainaic combined with practical common sense and true job-creating business experience. Plus Cain is a great communicator, too!
So while most would answer Mitt Romney to the question of who won the GOP debate last night, I would say Romney may have performed best, but he won very little. Mitt is a RINO, a Republican in name only. He always has been and always will be. I suppose the GOP Establishment, or I should say the Northeastern Progressive Establishment, will put their power and cash behind Romney, making him the ′its-his-turn-now′ candidate, much like John McCain in 2008 or Bob Dole in 1996. Quite frankly, if I had a choice between voting for Romney or Obama, I would be tempted to vote for Obama. Either way, both of them would finish us off, driving the nation off the economic cliff in much the same way. You know darn well that if any Republican gets elected, the Media will assign him, or her, ownership of the economy within ten seconds of taking the oath. Letting Obama have the honors of the final destruction of the U.S. dollar and economy would at least give him full ownership and probably work best to ensure that Progressive ideology is dead as a doorknob for the next 25 years.
September 23rd, 2011 at 4:50 am
“Quite frankly, if I had a choice between voting for Romney or Obama, I would be tempted to vote for Obama.”
Wow, didn’t see that coming.
September 23rd, 2011 at 4:55 am
My father (85 years old and fervently right wing) has been telling me for the last couple years that Hillary was poised to be the next President.
I told him he was crazy.
It certainly appears that if she announced today she wanted the job, it would be hers.
I simply don’t think she wants it anymore.
Two reasons; the job doesn’t look that desirable and she is older and seems to enjoy her current life.
I can easily see her and Bill retiring. They seem to care about their legacy and may view it as favorable to simply let the story end here.
September 23rd, 2011 at 5:00 am
Romney, most likely, won the election last night and he has a pile of money to spend.
Romney would beat Obama handily.
2010 brought out the anger the electorate had for Washington.
The next cycle will foster ambivalence and resignation, especially amongst younger voters.
Romney will capture motivated independents.
Thus, Obama loses.
September 23rd, 2011 at 5:47 am
I dunno, buzzbee…
What bothers me is a repeat of 2008/1996. Romney gets the nomination because ‘its his turn’ and then the Media hammers him to a pulp, while the hardcore base of Conservatives, Tea Party and Evangelicals either sit this one out or Sarah Palin runs as an Independent. I think that is a more realistic scenario, that a Palin or even a Trump pops in next summer as a 3rd Party and Obama gets reelected.
I would rather have Perry, whom the Media is going to bash anyway, be the nominee and play the Anti-Obama option card. Come next November, if the economy is still bad, and I believe it will be, Perry would still beat Obama because he would have a solid GOP base behind him plus enough fed-up Independents. Also, Palin and Trump would be less likely to interfere with Perry as the nominee.
September 23rd, 2011 at 5:59 am
But Independents, and perhaps even moderate Republicans will not back Perry.
It reminds of when Republicans would pander to the far right and evangelicals.
For funding? Sure, but elections are won in the middle.
The far right does not support Romney, but they will probably still vote for him.
They may have a lot of impact on primaries, but to win the general election, Republicans are in a better position with Romney.
“You can’t always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need”.
September 23rd, 2011 at 6:12 am
Between Obama and Romney, I’d vote for an independent or a write-in candidate.
September 23rd, 2011 at 7:26 am
“Between Obama and Romney, I’d vote for an independent or a write-in candidate.”
Than why vote at all?
A “protest” vote?
Would you prefer the GOP runs Perry and loses?
No one get their “ideal” candidate.
September 23rd, 2011 at 7:52 am
“I took my first personal loans when I was not very old and this supported my business very much. However, I require the car loan once again.”
Is this just spam I am seeing everyday?
September 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 am
buzzbee: Your argument of “why vote at all is a fallacy.” I mean, isn’t it the same as saying :”If your candidate is going to win by 1 million votes, why vote at all? He’ll still win by 999,999 votes!”.
Votes have value, be them for the winner or the loser(s). And yes, that includes indicating the main candidates just don’t cut it. It does not have anything to do with “ideal”. Ideal would be Christ, but 1)He is already king 2)When he comes there won’t be elections 3)He won’t accept nominations until the final day comes.
In the meantime, we have to push for good candidates, and to me Romney is not one of them.
September 23rd, 2011 at 9:05 am
The ideal would be Christ?
He wouldn’t necessarily win either.
As a firm believer in the separation of Church and State he would not get my vote.
In the meantime, in the here and now, who would you vote for?
A third party candidate?
As Andy points out, a third party candidate would most likely guarantee an Obama victory.
Yes, every vote counts, but if the result is the opposite of what you intended, it is a vote for the “other” side.
September 23rd, 2011 at 9:23 am
Just out of curiosity, why do fervent Christians tend to interject religion into a political discussion?
In fact, they often make it a component of discussions on a variety of subjects.
I have a couple of friends that are “enthusiastic” Christians. I tell them I respect their beliefs and never try to dissuade them of their convictions.
They, however, feel compelled to convince me to attend church with them and/or discuss my views. They insist on discussing religion.
I ask them to respect my beliefs, or lack thereof, and leave the subject alone. They express their concern about my spiritual well-being. My “well-being”, spiritual or otherwise, is fine.
It is arrogant, condescending and disrespectful to ignore my wishes.
They want to join hands and pray before all meals at their house, however, they also insist on doing it at mine as well, regardless of the beliefs of my other guests.
I go along for the benefit of friendship, as do some guests, despite their discomfort.
As I live in Detroit, my friends are just as likely to be Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, atheist or agnostic.
It is quite presumptuous to assume that my other guests want to take part in “their” ceremony.
I am merely asking. You tend to interject religion into discussions on this site regarding a wide range of subjects. I am simply wondering why the need to make it part of all interactions.
September 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 am
buzzbee: About voting for Christ: Check point #2 of my post. So don’t worry, He will reign with or without your vote. But about the separation you like so much, you will get plenty of that. Not sure you’ll like it that much then, but it’s your choice. You choose what to make the main driver of your life.
Yes, a vote for a third candidate might strengthen the chances for an Obama win. That will be balanced by how much better is the other candidate to make it worth it to cover my nose and give him my vote. So far, I don’t see that much of improvement.
September 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 am
By the way, your post #12 contains many good and legitimate questions. I believe I can answer some of them, but it will take me some time and I have meetings now. I promise I’ll address them the best way I can in the next 24-48 hours.
September 23rd, 2011 at 9:37 am
It seems out of the litter were looking at no matter who we elect it will be with regret or apprehension. But lets at least all agree on one lesser of all the evils so we dont end up with Barry again because of a 20-20-10 to 50 Obama split.
That requires humility and dropping our standards on the part of all of us in exchange for knowing the worst of all possible evils will be no more.
I’m 56 years old and from what I gather most here at RP are in the same age bracket or at least old enough to know of or seen that this is the worst presidency ever to the point where ideology is not even the first component of the reasons listed.
Its basically the man himself that sucks so much, and I call him a “man” with as much due respect as I can muster.
Other than a couple positions I’m pretty much a full blown righty who would trade a testicle to see Billdo in office for the remainder of this term.
I’m pretty sure that the only people rooting for this idiot still are only those with so much pride, ego and arrogance that they could never conceive loosing the amount of face it takes in admitting hes the worst thing to ever come to office since Carter.
Kinda like Rush the other day asking why the fck anyone such as Buffet would want his name attached to this recent redundant jobs bill.
September 23rd, 2011 at 12:03 pm
There is only one political person who hasn’t changed positions on controversial issues. That’s right Hoss…….Sarah Palin. I think she will run.
September 23rd, 2011 at 1:22 pm
@ buzzbee,
Perry stands a far better chance at winning Independents than Romney does. Especially Hispanics.
September 23rd, 2011 at 6:08 pm
“Perry stands a far better chance at winning Independents than Romney does. Especially Hispanics.”
Andy what would compel Independents to vote for Perry?
Being a former Democrat is irrelevant and most see him as representative of the religious right and the Tea Party
September 24th, 2011 at 2:35 am
Perry is playing the ‘compassionate conservative’ card. He has a heart. LOL!
September 24th, 2011 at 4:19 am
I myself am beginning to wonder, which was the worst? Having the Right Wing in power for eight years, or having the Right Wing out of power?
Like any extremist, the Right Wing acts on ideology, and not on reason. But an extremist’s problem in America is, America is a free country, based upon law. In America, in the end, the people rule. Just because the voice of the people is silent, or muted, does not change this.
So, when the Right Wing puts its ideology into action, it works to an extent, but can never succeed in totality, due to the voice of the people. A good example was George Bush’s attempt to privatize Social Security. It failed utterly, not because it would have been impossible to get Congress to act upon it, but because the American people would have none of it, and Bush et. al. knew it, too.
So we either have 1) the Right Wing in power, implementing their agenda to a limited degree, or 2) the Right Wing out of power, driving Jesus Christ and the Lord God Above Themselves crazy because they don’t have carte blanc at this particular moment to put their agenda into action, to a limited degree.
More and more, I think that I would opt for number one. A least we would have a little peace of mind for a change.
But then I think of things like, 100,000 plus dead and maimed men, women and children in Iraq. Thousands of dead American service people. A ruined economy. Millions of Americans out of work.
Nah, I’ll take no. 2 any day. I am just not up for the fight.
Too old. We’ll have to leave it to the college kids, if they ever get motivated again, that is.
It is going to take much more than just typing on a computer keypad.
September 24th, 2011 at 4:31 am
“America is a free country, based upon law. In America, in the end, the people rule. Just because the voice of the people is silent, or muted, does not change this.”
Do you ever read the crap you write ?
If our voices are muted we have indeed lost our freedom.
And if anyone organization threatens that freedom its the left and their control of the media along with all your PC bullsht designed to control the message/language.
This coming from the idiot who has repeatedly called for the ouster of all conservatives from the country and silencing of any speech slightly right of the far left loon.
From reading that post I can come to only one conclusion.
The more you think the dumber you get
September 24th, 2011 at 6:13 am
Andy, Andy, Andy….
For starters, perry is rough around the edges, almost on the side of amnesty, gives illegals tuition breaks when Americans are paying full price, took campaign funding for the vaccine he fought with Bachmann over, he debated with Rick Santorum over the border and lost, and he IS a career politician. He isn’t as sharp as Mitt and it’s clearly depicted throughout each debate. If this is what we DO know, what is there we don’t know and what undesireable actions is he capable of if he wins the presidency? Every time he goes after Mitt he gets slapped-down. Bachmann should be in perry’s position, she sticks to her values, is genuine, and closer to The People.
Mitt is electable and there are no clear signs to your accusation that he will finish us off, he sounds more Reaganesque to me. He will make obama look like a fool in the presidential debates and probably win the election by a large margin, then do a good job as president. As far as the Northeast conservatives are concerned, your comment of us being progressives is ugly. We are just as conservative as a Republican from any other part of the country. I simply believe Romney would beat obama, make a better president than him and / or perry, and restore the country. Has nothing to do with him having moderate overtones, but it does turn me off how rough around the edges perry is and that he isn’t as conservative and fluent as everyone thought he would be when he entered the race. His positions on the issues are either wrong or vague and the country cannot afford that type of cliche politician another 4 years. He will not give us a restoration, with perry it’s politics as usual.
September 24th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Frankly I dont care much for either Mitt or Perry because they both qualify as RINOs.
But I’d take either in a heart beat over Barry.
And, I’m afraid, thats the position we’ll be in next year.
Perry has his liberal past to deal with, Mitt cant hide the fact that hes for socialized medicine but is not as dumb as Barry as to try and shove it down our throats.
This may sound blasphemous, but in the last 3 years weve become adverse to any slightest form of socialism because of the guy who carries it as a mainstay to his base. Every Republican president so far has supported some legislation or bill that contains or is a form of wealth redistribution. Its just a question as to what level we’ll let it get to.
Perry is also smart enough to realize hes going to have to dismiss some of his progressive/liberal ideas such as mandated vaccines etc in order to fit the bill.
Personally, HPV is contagious being able to be passed from men to women as well as the other way around and I’m in favor of anyone fcking being required to have it. We cant make irresponsible people be responsible hoping our daughter doesnt fall for the lie.
Neither one is the Christy or Ted Nugent I’m looking for but but lets make sure we dont blow the chance to beat a beatable foe by in-fighting so hard victory is once again snatched from the jaws.
I have a feeling the Mormon thing will be a bigger hurdle than was Obamas black thing
September 24th, 2011 at 8:20 am
“Letting Obama have the honors of the final destruction of the U.S. dollar and economy would at least give him full ownership and probably work best to ensure that Progressive ideology is dead as a doorknob for the next 25 years.”
What the frig are you smoking? At who’s expense? Destroy the country? Are you for real? Not at my expense beau, not while the country still has a chance!
September 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
“Letting Obama have the honors of the final destruction of the U.S. dollar and economy would at least give him full ownership and probably work best to ensure that Progressive ideology is dead as a doorknob for the next 25 years.”
Even if we allowed that to happen what you’re suggesting theres still going to be some ass hole generation that comes along thinking they’re the ones that can make Marxism and socialism work in America. The lessons never get handed down well enough to the future generations. At least every 8 years we see calls for collectivism and totalitarian governance even though only a few short years ago its failure was made apparent
No matter how clear it is that these ideologies are always failures ‘in our society’ some dreamweaver always thinks hes got the method and application to make it succeed.
They simply dont realize theres an ingrained spirit of individuality within the American people that will only allow them to be treated like cattle for so long.
A good example is the base Barry is losing.
Even his ideology is becoming a little too steep for the rabid moonbat to digest.
It happened in the 30s and still, on and off, there will be generations idiots and leaders coming along that think they can make “The New Deal” work.
The schools need to start teaching these failures, But of course, we all know why that wont happen
September 24th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Well said Mick. The teacher’s union. Nautically speaking, any port in a storm! I like the idea of teaching the youth of this God forsaken country the failures of experimental politics, damn it!