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What’s sad is that the arguments liberals make about gun control could have been lifted word-for-word from the Warner’s article.

put “obama” in there as the bad guy, and suddenly it’s a totally acceptable line of reasoning.

e failed program that has spread illegally trafficked guns to Mexican Narco-terrorists, guns have ended up in the hands of criminals back here in the U.S., and have already been a tool used to kill a federal border agent

Yes the program was apparently a disaster. You might want to mention it was an attempt to curtail the 99.9999% of weapons that were bought due to lax gun trafficking laws of assault weapons in the US, then shipped to Mexico, then used to terrorize mexican citizens, assault officials, and support the gun running and smuggling trades.

not obama’s few guns, but the overwhelming flood of guns purchased that had ZERO to do with Obama and plenty to do with the NRA.

If you’re going to impugn the negative consequences of some small-scale, misguided attempt to stop gun running to mexico, you better give some attention to the HUGE, rampant problem that comes from ridiculous lack-of-sufficient-regulation of assault weapons.

“not obama’s few guns, but the overwhelming flood of guns purchased that had ZERO to do with Obama and plenty to do with the NRA.”

You thrive on bullsht like a dungbeetle dont you ?

Think asshopper, think.
When establishing a weapons sting you have to have weapons.
Where did the ATF get the weapons needed as props in the sting ?

Manufacturers, gun distributors and confiscated evidence not needed in trial any longer.
How the hell did you get the NRA in there ??????
Those guns were then distributed among criminals and tracked.
Supposedly.
So they could lead investigators to the foundations of the other lucrative activities involved.
Plain and simple, these idiots lost track of them, probably due to idiocy and no doubt ulterior motives that we are beginning to see.
If mistakes were made that were the result of simple incompetence or unforeseen circumstances theres no reason those involved wouldnt come forward and clear this up so it doesnt snowball into something worse than it could of been.

BUT!!

“What were seeing” is kind of an oxymoron considering theres actually more dodging and hiding going on so far more than any “seeing”
At this point you can bet good money some agents were selling these guns knowing that accountability practices and regulated inventory was a foreign concept that could easily be taken advantage of by any rookie cop.
The guys that OK’d this and signed off on it are busting out as much smoke and as many mirrors as possible because they had no idea their incompetence and greed would actually lead to these guns returning to our turf and getting good cops killed dead.
Sh1ts going to hit the fan for what has turned out to be one of the best, yet worse, displays of this administrations ability to fck up everything it touches.

Bush ran a very similar program.
The only and major difference was …

THEY ARRESTED THE BUYERS ASAP ON THE SPOT !!!
Instead of letting em galavant all over the Southern Continent with shiny new American guns !

This is a lie. So far as anyone can tell, only a small percentage of the guns used in Mexico by criminal gangs came from the USA.

Last year alone, Mexican authorities confiscated 1,131 Texas guns from drug cartels or their killing fields. Houston was the No. 1 source of these arms. Using “straw buyers” — U.S. citizens without criminal records — narcotraffickers buy weapons, often in bulk, then have them smuggled south to equip private armies.

CNN reported:

More than 70% of 29,284 firearms submitted to the U.S. Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for tracing by the Mexican government during 2009 and 2010 originated in the United States, according to the report.

Then there’s the Boston Globe, which said:

Lax gun laws in some American states are speeding Mexico’s collapse.

Factcheck.org looked into it:

Fox News has put the percentage of guns that have been traced to U.S. sources at only 17 percent, but we find that to be based on a mistaken assumption that throws its figure way off. We can’t offer a precise calculation because we know of no hard information on the total number of guns Mexican officials have recovered. But if a rough figure given by Mexico’s attorney general is accurate, then the actual percentage of all Mexican crime guns that have been traced to U.S. sources is more than double what Fox News has reported.

It’s a good article, they rip on Fox in a section called “The Myth of 17 Percent”. Anyone who knows Fox should have guessed, but it’s nice to read the details anyway.

Things are so out of hand incidentally, the government of Mexico even considered sueing US gun manufacturers. The Canada Press adds:

U.S. legal scholars claim the lawsuit might never see the inside of a courtroom due to the 2005 Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which protects licensed gun manufacturers and retailers from liability for crimes committed with their products.

I think I’m only permitted a single link (maybe two) per post, but it’s very easy to google “Mexico guns US” and see not only the actual facts, but debunking those who, for political reasons, would rather not accept a very real and predictable consequence of the absurd assault weapon policies in this country.

If you think law enforcement losing track of just a few guns is a problem, you better be willing to take a serious look at the whole system because that’s where they’re gushing from. But of course, that would mean taking a critical look in a mirror, which I guess is something you’re not a big fan of.

But of course, back then, Reagan was supplying arms to the Contras to fight Communists. Obama is supplying guns to Mexican drug lords to just kill people at random…

Yeah, I guess it would be a better analogy if Obama sold arms to Iran to pay for those guns, then covered it up.

Seriously, Andy– why are you making this so easy for me? I didn’t even mention Iran/Contra, and here you toss me a big fat softball to knock out of the park? I’m very happy to make further comparisons to that conveniently forgotten Reagan scandal if you’d like to discuss it.

I know of one way they got a hold of a whole buncho guns…

ask barry !

“Last year alone, Mexican authorities confiscated 1,131 Texas guns”

So what !
Do you know anything ?
Thats a drop in the ocean and they’re not all made in the USA, but by your logic we should sue Mexico for all the dope it sells us ?

Fine, you sue us for all these guns you posses and are blaming us for and we’ll sue you everytime we bust a guy with dime bag.
I mean really, does it matter where the guns come from and if the majority did come from here so fckin what ?
You blame the NRA ?

Help me out here.

Seems like in all this mess its your butt buddy Holder you should be going after ya POS !!

Sorry, but this lie about the guns coming from the USA has been debunked by William La Jeunesse and Maxim Lott. I wrote about the SanFran Chron being wrong about this a while ago… http://www.publiusforum.com/2009/07/02/now-its-sf-chron-using-false-90-of-mexican-guns-from-us-line/

Me, you gotta realize, it does no good to confront these people with trivial things like FACTS.

What I would like to know is, how many factories are there in Mexico that are manufacturing guns? I think that I shall google it and try to find out.

Or maybe they get they guns from Russia. I don’t know.