After a third straight day negotiations at the White House, there appears to be little movement on increasing the debt ceiling. Senate Republican Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell, is proposing a plan that would prevent the federal government from defaulting on payments to bond holders, as well as keep funding the rest of the government at current levels. How House Speaker John Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor feel about this scheme is not yet clear, as it basically increases the debt limit, giving Barack Obama the blank check he wants without any spending cuts.
Under McConnell′s plan, the nation′s debt ceiling $2.5 Trillion dollars, but in one third increments between now and next summer. Obama would have to formally request each increment, which would then be voted on by the Congress. If Republicans vote to disapprove the increased increments, then Obama would just veto the vote and the debt ceiling would increase. The theory behind this scheme is that Republicans can claim they opposed the increase through their vote and put all the blame on Obama, since only a super-majority vote in Congress could overturn Obama′s veto, which simply would not happen.
This idea is even worse than Rep. Ron Paul′s one to just have the Federal Reserve tear up the bonds they bought through quantitative easing. Frankly, that has been about the best idea put forward so far. But Sen. McConnell is getting wobbly on us. He is afraid of the perception of being an obstructionist, forcing the government to cut spending and live within its means. Today, Obama warned that some 70 million checks need to be authorized August 3, and that without an increase to the debt ceiling, many Social Security and Medicare payments may not go out. Just days ago, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said the number was 80 million checks.
Rep. Eric Cantor seems to be holding the line on preventing any deal that does not include spending cuts and stopping any increases in tax rates. A ′big deal′, which would fund the government′s budget deficits through 2012 seems unlikely at this moment. Cantor′s alternative is also to do smaller increases to the debt limit, but each increase must be matched by spending cuts. Something the Democrats are opposed to. One thing is for certain, whoever thought that by getting Obama directly involved in the negotiations would help was seriously mistaken. Efforts to return back to the plan put together by the Joe Biden working group of $2 Trillion in spending cuts may be difficult to pass now.
So the debt ceiling kabuki dance continues at the White House. Barack Obama is now playing the Social Security card to scare Americans into supporting an increase to the debt limit. House Speaker John Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor are hanging on to connecting spending cuts with any increases to the debt ceiling. Senate Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnell is now floating a ′duck and cover′ plan which would give Obama what he wants without any spending cuts, just to avoid a government default or shutdown.










July 12th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Yeah, Andy, I was sort of surprised to read that McConnell blinked. I’m guessing that there must be polling somewhere that shows that the reps are losing the argument.
When I read what Cantor said, I got a different interpretation than you. What I read was that he said he needs to look at the specifics before deciding. To me, that means he has to ask Wall Street what he should do.
July 12th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
I think this is the most interesting story of the day. Not sure what to make of it. I think even the repubs want an alternative to simply defaulting to avoid the blame game. Cantor is irresponsible as I can say as an American special interests lobbyiest/lawyer/and congressional leader he clearly does not speak for me, or my interests. I am not out to soak the rich, but I think we all should pay a little more in taxes to solve our money problems in addition to reducing spending. The problem is its simply targeting programs to defund rather than have a balanced discussiona and review of just what they are doing and whether they are effective in the first place. I don’t want deathh by a thousand cuts, but rather a sensible budget plan, and sure we can evaluate the programs and change them. that is the centrists approach.
July 12th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
I think we should change the tax code to a simpler one with much less deductions and include more lower income payers on the lower end as taxpayers so everyone is paying something. That way we could lower the general brackets for everyone. Business rates could be reduced if we eliminated some of the deductions and credits. Why couldn’t agricultural subsidies be scrapped for a self insurance program? Frankly the only changes being made are the cuts by a thousand knifes, rather than any real restructuring.
July 12th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
I think what’s going on here is some folks wrote a check with their mouths that they do not have the stones to cash. Too bad.
July 13th, 2011 at 3:16 am
I don’t know if McConnell is being swayed by polls, in fact most of the polls show people do not want the debt ceiling raised, certainly not without some cuts or reforms.
McConnell himself said that the Senate will not allow the country to default. Which is sort of that old-school, Robert Byrd attitude of the Senate being a unique institution. Which it is.
But I think it would be a huge mistake to just give Obama what he wants with no strings attached.
July 13th, 2011 at 5:24 am
What we have in reality are right wing democrats such as McConnel posing as republicans.
July 13th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Andy,
Issue polling is different than election polling, because all that matters in issue polling is intensity of feeling. For example, I think in the 80s and early 90s, polls showed that 70-80% of voters wanted gun control. So the dems did the brady bill. Not only did that kill them in 94, but nobody even talks about gun control any more, because they’re so scared of the topic.
I think that if Byrd were still alive, he would oppose this move since he didn’t like anything that reduced the prerogatives of the senate.
July 13th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
True, Arriba,
Robert Byrd would have recited some appropriate passage from Cicero and denounce the plan as giving Obama absolute power.
July 13th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
McConnell is doing this solely to pass blame in the event of failure. He works in the interest of the party and not of the people. Republicans are more than happy to destroy the nation as long as they can find a way to point the finger the other direction. For Republicans there are two parties “Republicans and the c0mmunist enemies”, that’s it.
Republicans simply don’t compromise. They are like 13 year old girls who jump up and down, scream, run to their rooms and slam the door because they can’t have a puppy.
Republicans really don’t want to do anything to solve our fiscal problems, or negotiate in any way with the Democrats simply because if something good happens as a result of that, then that will be in favor of the President. Republicans love big business and love millionaires. It’s so important that they have their big corporate jets while the rest of us suffer, and it’s so important for big business to have tax cuts for shipping jobs overseas. Republicans collectively drop to their knees and open their mouths for the 1% of our population, the millionaires.
Republicans hate this country as much as the love big corp. Republicans hate equal rights, they hate the middle-class. They have a mob-mentality “If you’re not a Republican heterosexual Christian Male, then we hate you – but – errr, we are SO patriotic! yeah!”
July 13th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
“For Republicans there are two parties “Republicans and the c0mmunist enemies”, that’s it.
Republicans simply don’t compromise. They are like 13 year old girls who jump up and down, scream, run to their rooms and slam the door because they can’t have a puppy…”
Grow up.
Actually, you sound just like Klo
July 13th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Snow Crash: spoiled 13 year old girls usually want to spend money they don’t have in a puppy they can’t afford. Your example actually applies more to Democrats than anything else.
July 13th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. This guy looks like a turtle.
A very old turtle.
Also in that pic, he looks like he forgot his dentures.
July 13th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Yeah well Klo…
if we elected our leaders according to their looks we could end up with some really ugly chics and a stupid black man just to show everyone how diverse and tolerant we could be.
These guys were voted into the house on the promise that they would not let this happen.
Remember Mitch ?
July 14th, 2011 at 2:13 am
@ Snow Crash
Will you give it a rest on this phony issue of the corporate jets? Obama himself had that in the stimulus package. Its an accelerated depreciation of durable goods from 7 years to 5 years. Closing the provision at best equals $300 Million per year in tax revenues.
Th general aviation industry in the USA employs just over 1 million people. Mostly good-paying union jobs, I might add. America still leads the world in exports of general aviation aircraft. After Obama wasted $800 Billion to save or create less than 300,000 jobs, I would say keeping this program going at $300 per job is well worth the ‘investment.’
July 14th, 2011 at 5:58 am
Republicans have gone completely mad. COMPLETELY mad. You guys are nothing but petty little peons for the rich.
“We can’t raise the taxes slightly on the rich! We need the poor to suffer even more! Because if the rich have their taxes raised, then, um, they might not be able to afford that spare Leer Jet! Or maybe they will only be able to buy a dozen houses
”
Oooooh, right. But the rich are ‘job creationists’. That’s it. Republicans just never tell you which country they are creating the jobs in.
Face it, you guys have gone completely mad. Now get on your knees, open wide – cuz here comes a big corporate chode for ya. Choke on that.
July 14th, 2011 at 6:08 am
“Republicans have gone completely mad. COMPLETELY mad. You guys are nothing but petty little peons for the rich.”
Yeah, thats right, theres no rich capitalist liberals out there.
yawn
July 14th, 2011 at 6:14 am
Yeah, thats right, theres no rich capitalist liberals out there.
Enjoy being their peon?
July 14th, 2011 at 6:15 am
““We can’t raise the taxes slightly on the rich!”
I got news for you ass hole.
We could tax the top 7% at a 100% for the next twenty years and still not pay off the debt this moron alone has brought us.
Whens the last time you paid taxes ?
And I’m not talking retail at the liquor store.
I’m talkin about not getting a check at the end of the year and instead writing one out to the IRS ?
Most Americans pay no taxes at all bro.
You really think that 4-12 % in retail taxes you pay depending on your state even begins to cover the sht you get in return ?
Think again.
July 14th, 2011 at 6:19 am
“Enjoy being their peon?”
(better than standing in line groveling for freebies like some “poor victim”)
“I want my entitlements”
Whos the peon now ass hole ?
Run my own business and hadda cut Uncle Sam a check every year for the last 10 years.
Have a seat
July 14th, 2011 at 6:20 am
Go sleep it off.
You sound like you’re on a mission
July 14th, 2011 at 6:27 am
Whens the last time you paid taxes ?
I pay taxes every year. Even if I get a check back at the end of the year, that doesn’t mean they lost money on me. I got maybe $1200 last year (between my wife and I) but I assure you we paid FAR more than that over the year. You don’t get 110% of your taxes back, trust me, Uncle Sam takes his fair chunk.
(better than standing in line groveling for freebies like some “poor victim”)
So, you think only Democrats receive entitlements? My sister is a staunch Republican and she was more than happy to receive hers!
Here, how about this -
Let’s cut out the entitlements and also raise taxes on the rich and close corporate loopholes. Would you agree to that?
July 14th, 2011 at 6:36 am
And while we’re at it, let’s decriminalize all drugs. When somebody gets busted doing drugs, offer them therapy – it’s far cheaper than jail. Then we don’t have to blow many-a-billions on fighting that pointless ‘war’ anymore.
Because links suck on RP now, google “Time Drugs Decriminalized” and read the top article, it’s quite interesting.
So, between cutting out entitlements, raising the taxes slightly on the rich, closing corporate loopholes and ending the war on drugs – we oughta have the deficit knocked out in no time!
July 14th, 2011 at 6:57 am
I’d oblige you with the usual ass kicking but its your lucky day.
I’m in no mood for your speculative inaccuracies such as below.
“So, you think only Democrats receive entitlements? ”
Where did I say that ?
Go take a nap
July 14th, 2011 at 7:04 am
What about the rest of the post. Would you agree to it? If not, why?
July 14th, 2011 at 7:16 am
Yeah, but we cant legalize ‘all’ drugs.
Some are just incompatible with American society and quite frankly really dangerous and expensive in many aspects fro productivity loss to crimes committed under the influence.
Tweakers are bad news.
Illegals cost us 380 billion every year.
Thats a trillion every 3 years.
A border that works and following the laws on the books would be a great start.
Thats just “one” venue.
If they were serious they’d go with that and stop using SS and medicaid as tools.
So, its all bullsht and II can only hope someone will apply good ole conservative economics to the problem.
But first you need real conservatives who’ll ditch this Keynesian bullsht.
Thats the only solution for the simple fact that every other method but that has been used.
Hell, its not even exclusively conservative its just the fckin rules of basic math
July 14th, 2011 at 7:23 am
I’ve been busy at Weasel Zippers, the most recent ‘Rick Perry’ post.
Theres no point in posting the link.
But it was a religious/constitutional hashing out between one who wants god in everything and another who wants it out of everything.
It was very draining.
WeaselZippers is here on RPs blogroll of favorites.
Theres some serious right wing nuts there and fckin anything goes.
Make me look like an angel
July 14th, 2011 at 7:54 am
Yeah, but we cant legalize ‘all’ drugs.
Some are just incompatible with American society and quite frankly really dangerous and expensive in many aspects fro productivity loss to crimes committed under the influence.
Tweakers are bad news.
Illegals cost us 380 billion every year.
Thats a trillion every 3 years.
A border that works and following the laws on the books would be a great start.
Thats just “one” venue.
If they were serious they’d go with that and stop using SS and medicaid as tools.
So, its all bullsht and II can only hope someone will apply good ole conservative economics to the problem.
But first you need real conservatives who’ll ditch this Keynesian bullsht.
Thats the only solution for the simple fact that every other method but that has been used.
Hell, its not even exclusively conservative its just the fckin rules of basic math
Well, as far as drug decriminalization -
Did you read that Time article I mentioned? It’s actually quite interesting.
Yes, tweakers are dangerous to society, but if we take the decriminalization approach where we offer therapy rather than jail, then it might work like it did in Portugal where use fell drastically and users going to therapy doubled (leading to less use). Besides, tweakers are going to tweak regardless if it’s legal or not – so throwing away wads of cash and overcrowding jails is only a band-aid fix.
As far as illegal immigration, I completely agree that it’s an issue that needs to be addressed, but I don’t think a big border is the answer. It’s a complex issue, but I can’t help but use the old cliche ‘when there’s a will, there’s a way’. They will still come in droves, they will just figure out new methods. It’s a complex issue, but it certainly needs to be addressed.
July 14th, 2011 at 8:59 am
“Yes, tweakers are dangerous to society, but if we take the decriminalization approach where we offer therapy rather than jail,”
Yeah, I’d rather not wait till they pulled a six day fckathon with my wife n kids thank you
July 14th, 2011 at 9:10 am
The money we spend on illegals could go to a border and enforcement that works.
It would pay for itself with surplus.
The medical, all the entitlements, the loss in wages, crime costs etc..
I dont want to hear it.
Plenty of pi$$ poor countries can keep the whole world out and their population in or whatever. If you do get in you dont get sht.
Theres too many loopholes costs and bullsht reasons.
We can build levees for thousands of miles, secure every friggin airport and federal state building..
we can build a border that works.
Yes where there is a will there is a way.
Theres bookoo ways but the will is dissipated by all the ulterior bullsht motives and excuses.
And then theres the waste, redundancy, frivolous discretionary, subsidies.
We’ll extend your ceiling if you give us something in writing that will pay for it.
Thats fair
Obama wont do that.
Fck him
July 14th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
@ Snow Crash
If you want drugs decriminalized, then you better vote Obama out of office. Part of his whole Nanny-State federal government approach is to stop and rollback efforts by states which have approved the use of medical marijuana.
A friend of mine was telling me that here in Michigan, once you are approved, you can grow up to 12 plants at a time for personal use. You may even sell any excess to a state-approved dispensary, and the going rate is about $200/oz. Depending how successful you become as a grower, you can not only grow enough to accommodate your own chronic illness, but make a rather livable wage, too!
July 14th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
If you want drugs decriminalized, then you better vote Obama out of office. Part of his whole Nanny-State federal government approach is to stop and rollback efforts by states which have approved the use of medical marijuana.
Well, I wouldn’t go so far as to not vote for somebody solely based on this issue. There aren’t many politicians out there willing to put drug-decriminalization on their agenda.
Besides, if I vote a righty in then we’ll probably see the feds crack down hard in EVERY medical marijuana state! I live in Colorado, where MMJ is legal, and luckily it has been easy-going. Not so much in CA, though.
July 14th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
@ Snow Crash,
Most “righty”, especially those in the Tea Party movement, are very big on the 10th Amendment, the cornerstone of Federalism which determines that the federal government only has the authority which the states cede to it. Beyond that, the states run things their own unique way.
There is that old Vulcan saying, “Only Nixon could go to China” (ST: VI). I’ll bet you a dollar to the whole in your donut that when the day does come that marijuana is decriminalized nationwide, it will be a Republican/Tea Party president who does it.