Two more scientists added their voices to the anti-global warming debate today. Canadian scientists Tim Patterson and David Phillips laugh at those who say that the slight cyclical global warming we are experiencing will bring the downfall of mankind.
Patterson said much of the up-to-date research indicates that “changes in the brightness of the sun” are almost certainly the primary cause of the warming trend since the end of the “Little Ice Age” in the late 19th century. Human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2), the gas of concern in most plans to curb climate change, appear to have little effect on global climate, he said.
There is much more to read for anyone interested in slicing through the disengenuous rhetoric of Al Gore. Al Gore has put science on trial, and scientists are beginning to fight back.
“All the money wasted on Kyoto in a year could provide clean drinking water for Africa,” said Patterson.
April 27th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
I guess they didn’t get the memo about the debate being over.
April 27th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
Melissa is right – we do need to wake up – just not the way she means:
movie – An Inconvenient Truth…Or A Convenient Fiction?
http://www.aconvenientfiction.com/index.html
April 28th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Yes, just keep drinking the cool-aid! The next election will bury your right-wing idiology on the dustheap of history.
April 28th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Would that be a dust heap of tidal waves and hurricanes? Make up your mind, silly liberal. Your globally-warmed oily body makes for a moving target.
April 28th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
GLUG GLUG GLUG
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April 28th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
“All the money wasted on Kyoto in a year could provide clean drinking water for Africa,â€? said Patterson”
my daddy
actually does research in this kind of thing — he works for nasa and jpl among other places — and he is one of the first people to say “NO DUH” when it comes to increased solar activity causing global warming if it is indeed happening —
ok he doesn’t say “DUH” but he is a big believer in increased solar activity.
but … let’s not pretend for a second that the money that is spent/will be spent on kyoto, wold ever be otherwise spent on helping developing countries.
in fact … if carbon credits became a real market, african and other developing countries that are without heavy industry could greatly benefit by selling their carbon credits to usa and other western companies.
sooooo … such credits are really just a tax on the wealthy to help the poor (in other countries not the usa poor).
not the best or most efficient way to help developing countries, but it is a way.
April 28th, 2007 at 11:05 pm
and yes, it would also be a tax on our poor too if usa companies had to lay people off.
April 28th, 2007 at 11:08 pm
Ooo that is twisted. Since the idea of man-made global warming is a farce, taxes that attempt to minimize it are a diversion of precious resources. Why not just have those Africans make some widgets than can actually benefit mankind?
April 28th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
well it may not be a farce, but even if it is it is just a tax on the rich to give to the poor. in this case poor in other countries.
when people in developing countries make widgets they are not paid well for them. this way they would get the money for free
actually, redistributing some of the wealth of the western world is not a bad idea. but … it would be better just to give them them money than to do it in this loopy way. by the time it reaches them probably more than half will be gone do to wasteful gov’t spending.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:55 am
How about if they just start earning it? Gee, now there is a wild idea.
April 29th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
i’m sorry, though i am an experienced government employee, i’m not following you and your terminology …
what is this “earn” of which you speak?
but seriously, these communities are so poor they cannot produce anything. many people on earth unfortunately make less than $1,000 a year. they do not have the resources to educate themselves nevermind make a farm or factory that can compete on the world market.
however, if exxon and ge and walmart have to cough up so money to these people so they can buy tractors or threshing machines or whatever they need to produce goods, they could become self sufficient.
however, it is a very inefficient way to transfer wealth unless a market for carbon offsets develops. but … if such a market developed potentially it could really help. you may recall that is how california got rid of all the old cars on the roads out there. utility companies could buy old cars and by taking them off the road use them to “offset” their own pollution.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Oh my goodness. The American Indians were poor also. The Digger Indians out in California lived on worms and nuts, or just plain starved in bad years. A little injun-uity goes a long way. My suggestion to the Africans is build a factory and produce something useful that someone wants to buy.
April 29th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
“My suggestion to the Africans is build a factory …”
well that is the problem isn’t it … they don’t have to tools to build a factory, or the know-how.
by taking money from the rich countries and giving it to the poor countries, the poor would have the capital to build a factory and also be able to educate their people to sustain growth.
keep in mind, from your own words, that the digger indians “starved in bad years.”
that is what we call in government, a “bad” thing
April 29th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
injun-uity!!! Thats the funniest thing to be posted all day, well unless you count that redistribution of wealth thing Lisab is talking about.
Seriously Lisa. Why is it you liberals are always so eager to give other peoples money away? Why don’t all of you guys just get your checkbooks out and chip in and buy some African farmers equipment out of you’re own pockets? If you all can manage to send over enough cash, those poor tribesmen might even be able to raise enough cotton and such to completely wipe out the American farmers that are still hanging on.
These socialist ideals may let you sleep better at night, but expecting American companies to, or making our government responsible for funding African farmers is just about as sensible as helping the North Koreans build nuclear reactors. Oh wait, now that I think about it, you folks did that deal too.
April 29th, 2007 at 10:21 pm
“redistributing some of the wealth of the western world is not a bad idea”
nuh-uh
How did “redistribution” of wealth work out in the Soviet Union? Or for that matter, anywhere it’s been tried? Not real well. If you cook the goose that lays the golden eggs to feed a hungry guy, they’ll eat in the very short term, but then what?
Any idea how “solutions” to the supposed Human-caused Global Warming problem will impact Africa? If you think things are bad there now, the inconvenient truth is that the Goreite bandwagon will run over a continent of people (and mess up the rest of us) if the things they want to implement are put in place.
April 29th, 2007 at 11:01 pm
“Why is it you liberals are always so eager to give other peoples money away?”
because walmart and exxon have lots and people in developing countries — not just in africa — are literally dying of poverty.
“Why don’t all of you guys just get your checkbooks out and chip in and buy some African farmers equipment out of you’re own pockets?”
well, i gave two years of my life to anti-poverty programs. i was in the peace corps. but … not enough people give money … so a tax is required if we want to really help them.
April 29th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
“How did “redistributionâ€? of wealth work out in the Soviet Union?”
that depends. under stalin, who was an out and out killer, it didn’t go well. from breshnev on … pretty well actually if you measure by standard of living, education, healthcare etc. certainly better than russia is today. though the ussr is not a good way to run a country.
“Or for that matter, anywhere it’s been tried? Not real well.”
actually some anti-poverty programs around the world work really well.
“If you cook the goose that lays the golden eggs to feed a hungry guy, they’ll eat in the very short term, but then what?”
which is the key. the wealth that is redistributed cannot be allowed to be stolen by the wealthy, or simply given to the poor in cash or goods. it has to be spent on education, infrastructure, micro-loans to micro businesses, and in limited cases on large loans to large businesses — but in this case kiss the money goodbye because the large loans usually don’t get paid back.
but in most cases micro-loans to start micro-businesses have a higher repayment rate than loans in the usa. things like loaning money to help someone buy some seeds and a shovel so they can grow food that they later can sell.
April 29th, 2007 at 11:51 pm
btw, i sprained my ankle playing ultimate frisbee in the ussr in 1984 — kiev actually.
by far the most beautiful city i have ever seen bar none — well st. petersburg is pretty in a dilapedated sad sort of way, and italy and france are pretty in a wow aren’t we special, artsy renaissance sort of way, but for simple parks, kiev is amazing.
i would have gotten married there except
a.) my mother in law hated traveling to massachusetts, so kiev was definatley out
b.) they are orthodox, and while we respect their valid if quaint religion, it isn’t really catholic is it?
c.) the radiation level from chernoble was a little too high for comfort
April 30th, 2007 at 12:42 am
There you go again:
They are in business to make money, and they have done very well, but they have absolutely no obligation to share their success with anyone accept their shareholders.
Stop advocating that MY money, that I invest, in order to take care of MY family go to the needy and downtrodden. If you want to, re-up in the Peace Corps and get back to the business of saving the world, but stay out of my wallet.
And just to make it clear, I’m not against giving folks a hand, I just don’t think it’s right: 1) for people to feel entitled to get something for nothing. or 2)the government sharing any private citizens personal wealth with people that they think are entitled to something for nothing.
April 30th, 2007 at 7:08 am
Bloghole/Admirer/Rob is back, along with the heat and no facts. Perhaps he can go to Africa and teach them how to make widgets – it seems he has the time, but I doubt he has the knowledge or motiviation….
lisab – come now! Do you take your IRS tax deductions? Yes? Then case closed.
April 30th, 2007 at 12:07 pm
Bloghole/Admirer is not Rob.
Lisa, I’m guessing you did not visit Kiev in Winter. By the way, quality of life in Russia is vastly improved since the communist age. Are you really teaching your students something different? Wow. Good old commie sympathies are hard to shake for some libs, but I think you’ll eventually get over it.
A glaring irony is that the very rebuttal to your “redistribution” theory is the example of the Soviet Union itself. Mass redistribution of wealth shrinks the pie which makes us all the more poor collectively. Been there, done that. Incentives are what moves poverty lines, quite the opposite of your empirically disproven theory. Pay attention to the lopsided polls in Russia if you really think they want your system again.