
US Embassy in Saigon, 30 April 1975
While OSAPian, as a Vietnam-era veteran, thinks the comparisons between that conflict and the war in Iraq made by those on the radical Left are pretty stupid, there are some offered by others more rational that do fit. One of them is not legislating a timetable for withdrawal of combat forces.
American troop levels in Vietnam stood at over half a million when Richard Nixon took office in 1969. His vietnamization policy resulted in a series of orderly withdrawals, starting with 25,000 in June of that year and 60,000 in December. By 1972 there were about 24,000 American troops in country; only 50 and a small, resolute Marine embassy security company remained after MAC-V stood down early in 1973 after the Paris Peace Accords were signed.
While those who soldiered on during the long withdrawal are without doubt the most unfairly maligned men ever to serve our country, their sacrifices left a Republic of Vietnam that was fully capable of defending itself against insurgency and a nation, however flawed its government, that would have been able to withstand the North’s invasion in 1975 had promised American air and sea power been available. It was not for reasons we’ll get into in a bit.
US Army units in Vietnam during the draw down mounted aggressive combat operations like the campaign in Cambodia and Lam Son 719 well into 1971, depriving the enemy of sanctuaries that had been used unhindered for years. American air and naval fury stopped the Easter Offensive in 1972, decimating the North Vietnamese army in the process. The Christmas bombings that year forced the communists back to the peace table.
Nixon had a clear exit strategy, one quite different than what Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi want to force on President Bush and our forces in Iraq.
It should be remembered that even though Vietnam was not a popular war, a vast majority of the American people supported Richard Nixon’s conduct of it as evidenced by the trouncing he gave the Democrat Party’s peace candidate in 1972.
It is also important to recall, getting back to timetables, Nixon approved and ordered them, not Congress. In 1973 Congress did prohibit funds for any use of military force in Indochina, giving a North Vietnam still licking its wounds after the Easter Offensive defeat the green light to start planning the final push.
Congress administered South Vietnam’s coup de grace early in 1975 by cutting off all military assistance to that country.
The Korean War was also unpopular but supported by most Americans at the time. In Korea and Vietnam, Desert Storm too for that matter, military force was used not to defeat the rogue nations we were at war with but to restore borders status quo ante naked aggression while standing up governements that could defend their people. President Eisenhower, like Nixon, was not timid about using force to accomplish those aims and his threat to use nukes made the 1953 cease fire possible.
Eisenhower did not have an “exit strategy” in Korea, nor did the nine presidents who succeded him. Not one Congress has demanded one. Our 8th Army remains there 57 years after the war started.
We didn’t hear the Democrats demanding withdrawal timetables for Clinton’s military adventures in the Balkans. They aren’t proposing an Afghanistan bug out despite US causualty rates that are, per capita, higher than those in Iraq and a threat condition that will require American combat forces for years.

Surrender at Corregidor, 5 May 1942
It is ironic Harry Reid declared the Iraq War lost within a few weeks of the 65th anniversaries of the Fall of Bataan and Corregidor’s surrender, both events catastrophic military defeats that stiffened the resolve of the American people to see a terrible war through to victory. What a difference of few generations make.
Back in September, OSAPian wrote this in a post entitled Why Who’s in Congress is Important:
During the summer of 1941 the US House of Representatives, by a vote of 203 to 202, continued selective service and allowed President Roosevelt to retain mobilized national guardsmen and other military reservists on active duty … Had the isolationists prevailed, and one vote gone the other way, over 500,000 men under arms — half the strength of the Armed Forces of the United States — would have been discharged a few months before Pearl Harbor.
The votes by Congress paved the way for defeat in Vietnam. Like the 202 isolationists who came within one vote of crippling our World War II effort before it began, these representatives saw themselves as men of peace.
There is no precedent for what Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are tryng to do. In the case of the Vietnam votes, American troops were already home. While every important country in the world except the United States was at war — and the Japanese were already planning Pearl Harbor — when Congress nearly demobilized half of our military in 1941, no US forces were in combat.
The Democrats and their roundheeled Republican allies are voting to force defeat on a military at war that has not lost a battle.
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April 22nd, 2007 at 1:43 am
Yes, Iraq is rough for the U.S., no doubt about it. The whole thing hasn’t been done right, but what would happen if we pulled up stakes right now? Would anyone think the U.S. would stick anything out, or stand by them, when the going got tough? It’s true that the Iraqis need to take over responsibility for thier country, but like it or not, they’re not ready but others would just love to get a hold on Iraq [Iran]. The situation is fluid and has changed [and is changing] all the time since 2003. The solution isn’t to leave now and Iraq’ll just have to sink or swim. They’d sink, and Iran would be more than happy to play the heroic Gulfwatch lifegusrd, and get in good with Iraq [essentially taking 'em over quietly in the modern Middle East version of Anschluss (as the great Rosie O'Donnel says - google it)]. It’s ironic that some people refer to the supposedly high numbers of civilian casualties so far in Iraq as a reason for the United States to leave now. If one truly cares about civilian deaths in Iraq then one would have to admit that we need to stay, at least for awhile. Like it or not, if we leave right now the Iraqis will massacre each other in numbers that will make Bosnia and friends look like play time. Iraq is a tough thing, but it is a tough situation that must be worked through until solutions are come up with. What is victory in Iraq? Well, it won’t be pretty, but it’s gotta be measured in the long-term benefits to the big picture. Success in Iraq might be kind of hard to measure, but the general goals of a stable and safe Iraq that is capable of keeping itself safe and it being an ally in the War on Terror are good goals. What would not be success might be easier to identify off the bat. Leaving Iraq soon and washing our hands of it would cause a string of disasters that would make it pretty obvious that our course of action didn’t end up being even close to successful. Right before WWII, the British Prime Minister [Neville Chamberlain] made a-peace-ment to Hitler because the idea of an unpleasant confrontation of evil was, well, unpleasant. He said of his [popular at the time, by the way] actions “I believe this means peace in our time” Sounded great, but you might know how that all worked out. The United States is facing it’s own Neville Chamberlain moment now. Do we confront evil before it grows into bigger, stronger evil and is much harder and costlier to confront, or do we not face bad things because facing them is unpleasant, even though it makes things worse in the long run? The games being played by Congress with supplying the troops is ridiculous [a good argument for line-item veto?]. You can oppose the war, but we have troops in the field that need our support. Make your point another way, don’t be messin’ around with funding the troops to protest the job those troops have been sent to do ’cause you don’t like the job. Some of what’s covered in the emergency supplemental seems like maybe it could’ve been anticipated and included in the defense budget. Lots in the supplemental is tied to more shifting circumstances that people probably didn’t know exactly what they would need for. Although the money angle is something that has kind of bugged me about the war in Iraq, what Congress is doing is just plain silly.
“Shall I tell you what the real evil is? To cringe to the things that are called evils, to surrender to them our freedom, in defiance of which we ought to face any suffering.�
Seneca (Roman philosopher, mid-1st century AD)
April 22nd, 2007 at 2:05 am
The Executive Game…
We now have a new Flash game on our Fun and Games page. In The Executive Game, you play the role of a manager who is presented with a series of transactions. For each one, you must decide whether to……
April 22nd, 2007 at 4:57 am
OSAPian, my friend, I must disagree with you on this one. The pols had already lost this war IMO by 2004, and the soldiers and Iraqis are still suffering the consequences of that failure. Also, in Afghanistan we’re fighting the folks who sponsored 9/11 - that’s why you don’t hear similar calls for withdrawal. Iraq was a war of choice against people who did not attack the US before we attacked them.
You’re right US soldiers in Iraq, as in Vietnam, never lost a battle, but what’s missing in that kind of analysis, as Sun Tzu knew, is that martial victories mean little unless you create a politically sustainable outcome that leads to stability. Our involvement has led to the opposite outcome in Iraq - an expansive civil war where even the factions feuding agree they all want US out.
That said, we’ve now screwed this up so badly that staying or going both have terrible consequences. It’s no fault of the soldiers, it’s failed civilian leadership and a complete lack of diplomatic acumen. Bush is actually building a WALL in the middle of Baghdad, as though it were post-war Berlin! These guys simply don’t know what the hell they’re doing!
At this point Iraq will be a disaster for the next generation whether we stay or go - for that reason, whether sooner or later, we’ll eventually go. A pullout coupled with skillful regional diplomacy with the nations (Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.) who are sponsoring the Iraqi factions would probably, IMO, improve the prospects for peace, but obviously that must likely wait for some future administration.
April 22nd, 2007 at 4:59 am
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April 22nd, 2007 at 6:48 am
Open Trackback Weekend #50…
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April 22nd, 2007 at 6:49 am
Weekend Podcast: VA Tech Aftermath…
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April 22nd, 2007 at 7:48 am
al Qaeda Regrouping…
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April 22nd, 2007 at 8:27 am
VA Tech Shootings: an interim perspective…
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April 22nd, 2007 at 5:05 pm
Congress never cut off funding to the South Vietnam “government”. It cut aid from about $1.4 billion to about $700 million in 1975 (a hefty sum in 1970s dollars and roughly what the North was getting from its pals). I put quotes around “government” because the Paris treaty did not recognize the regime as the sole legitimate government of the country, just an equal party with the Viet Cong. The treaty obliged the U.S. to depart lock, stock, and barrel within SIXTY DAYS of signing. The treaty OBLIGED the three “parties” (North govt, South govt, and Viet Cong) to get together and peacefully negotiate the unification of the country (which Nixon and the South intended to violate immediateley). The treaty was nothing but a face-saving way for the U.S. to declare peace and leave, for domestic consumption.
A war is won when one party stops fighting. The U.S. departed and the Southern army dropped their weapons and fled from the field in 1975. Is there any reason to imagine that the North would have given up after the massive bombing that you wish the U.S. had given them in 1975?
April 22nd, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Japan’s Pacifist Future Open to Debate…
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April 23rd, 2007 at 4:42 am
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April 23rd, 2007 at 3:05 pm
O’Donnell, keeping it in the family…
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April 24th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
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May 1st, 2007 at 9:35 pm
You’re kidding, right?
Nixon first announced a secret plan to end the war in Vietnam within two years as part of his ‘68 campaign for presidency. Analysts say that he probably won based on the effect this promise had on the voters. He had no such plan or, if he did, it was never announced, never clearly observable and never successful.
The second(?) time he announced an exit strategy, it sounded a hell of a lot like Bush’s “We’ll leave when we know they can stand on their own”. See quotedb.com/speeches/great-silent-majority
His third exit strategy sounded like a two-year draw-down until the only Americans left were basically cadre for training S. Vietnamese troops. This was to be preceded by a short term increase (I can’t remember the exact number, but think it was around 100,000 men) so as to put the status quo at a stand-off level. He claimed that the NV and the VC would cooperate in this withdrawal. I do not recall a him mentioning a joint summit meeting with Santa and the Easter Bunny, but it would have fit right in.
The final withdrawal was brief and bloody. It did not have anything to do with Nixon, who had been forced to resign. By the way, Congress voted to cut funding of the war (partly due to lack of a firm timetable) before Nixon resigned.
If you need a time table (not time table for withdrawal) for the Vietnam War, here’s one that appears to be very non-partisan: http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1959.html
For me, the soon-to-be-ex President Bush crossed the line today. I’m asking my representative not to try to override the veto. Instead, I am asking her to create a new “Accountability Bill” which is exactly like the last one, except that it also cuts funding for the Department of Justice until Gonzalez is gone and cuts funding for the EPA until the EPA puts together a concrete set of goals and research commitments to cut Carbon Dioxide emissions.
I’m pissed. You should be, too. Go read something new and stop listening to crooks and liars in the Bush administration and the Murdoch Media Machine.
May 1st, 2007 at 11:34 pm
“Go read something new ”
I didn’t know a new version of “Mein Kampf” had come out. Guess I better get right on that.