I know that there have been a number of threads here on the BP oil spill. But my motto has always been why keep quiet and be thought a fool when I can write something and remove all doubt, so here goes.
We’re now six weeks into the spill, with relatively little chance that it will be abated until August. BP is actually considering throwing a bunch of old tires and golf balls into the hole to plug it up. I’m no engineer, but when this is the solution that seems best, my guess is that engineers can’t come up with a real solution, and we’re just supposed to assume that ‘experts’ are smarter than the rest of us, so let’s just shut up.
Well, we’ve fought two wars for a decade, each of which experts said would be walks on the beach. Then, the financial community bankrupted the nation, and we have found the joy in resuscitating them while unemployment remains high. So, maybe now isn’t the time for the oil industry to tell the rest of us to just lay back and enjoy the damage to the gulf.
I’ve also learned that what I always accepted as a truism in politics is wrong. I always believed that the media can’t drive a controversy in our two party system without the opposition party joins in the fun. A perfect example is Bill Clinton (luckily for me, he provides examples of all sorts of wackiness). NAFTA would never have been passed with a Republican president and a Democratic Congress. But enough Democrats supported Clinton that the treaty passed, and since Republicans supported it, the media didn’t much care. The same was true with welfare reform. With Bush II, the analogy would be the paid prescription program (which I’ve never been able to figure out how it’s paid for, but that’s just me).
But with the oil spill, Republicans haven’t said much of anything, other than to say this is the same as Katrina. I dunno, it seems like it’s sort of the opposite problem to me. The problem with Katrina for the feds was inaction after the fact; the problem here was a lack of effective regulation ahead of time. But, still, every day, the media says the government should plug the hole. I’m not really sure what the federal capacity is to plug holes in the bottom of the ocean, unless it decided to park a submarine on it. But the media is like a bunch of toddlers who don’t really care what works, just do something, and do it now.
So tonight, while driving home from NOLA, I’m listening to the radio, and a caller came up with what seemed like a reasonable solution, and I’m passing this on free of charge so the ‘experts’ can use it instead of using old tires to stuff it up. What this guy said is that the leak is between 6-12 inches wide. Well, just make a pipe with a hole 2 feet wide and 5 miles long and then the oil will go through this new pipe.
What I fear is going to happen is that everyone will keep wringing their hands until August. Then a hurricane will spread it all over the South, solving the problem for a couple of months. I’m not sure if I can put turpentine on my dogs to get the oil off of them, but I guess I’ll find out.









June 1st, 2010 at 4:10 am
i have learned obama has a real problem … who does he blame?
bush or israel?
June 1st, 2010 at 7:49 am
Arriba, I take exception to one statement:
“The problem with Katrina for the feds was inaction after the fact; the problem here was a lack of effective regulation ahead of time.”
The problem with Katrina was that the Army Corps of Engineers knew before Katrina hit that the levees were not able to hold up in a hurricane of Katrina’s strength, no?
But I agree with you; we in the US have a real problem. The lack of effective regulation is widespread, it’s just that we (meaning the public at large) are content to let big business do its thing and tend not to recognize a catastrophe in the making until a catastrophe occurs. So now we know that years and years of allowing the oil industry to call its own shots results in destruction like we’ve never seen before. I’m surprised that politicians on the right and left haven’t locked arms over this issue and begun to stand up, not only for the Gulf coast, but for the dying wildlife and the dying way of life. For the 11 dead and the families who mourn them. What’s it gonna take?
Anyway, thanks for a good article.
June 1st, 2010 at 8:35 am
The oil spill is indeed very unfortunate. That we have a spill is a terrible tragedy, but the attempts to contain the well is a great concentrated effort, by a force of highly skilled individuals. It is in Bp’s best interest that the spill is contained and I would venture to say they are doing all within their power to do just that. There is a host of information on their site as well as others as to the complexity of the situation. Just watching the remote operated vehicles at a depth of 5000 feat is a marvel to see.
June 1st, 2010 at 8:47 am
Redfordgirl:
“The oil spill is indeed very unfortunate.”
Jeez, you sound like Obama.
Stubbing your toe is “unfortunate”
June 1st, 2010 at 8:54 am
I am not addressing the past situation of the events that led to the spill only the current effort to contain the well.
June 1st, 2010 at 9:15 am
“The problem with Katrina for the feds was inaction after the fact; the problem here was a lack of effective regulation ahead of time.”
I guess that’s a mattter of perspective. Under the constitution, the feds couldn’t go to Louisiana without the governors formal request for assistance. It took then Governor Blanco four days to request help despite daily phone calls from the president himself.
Also, the Army Corpse of Engineers knew that the levees could only tolerate a level 3 hurricane and stated as such before Katrina hit. The failure to evacuate with three days notice was the fault of Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco.
The State of Louisiana and the City of New Orleans received funds to strengthen the levees but the money was always diverted elsewhere or was misspent.
As for the lack of regulation. There are over 3,000 oil rigs in the Gulf. An accident of this magnitude was bound to happen regardless of the regulations. It was an unforeseen accident.
June 1st, 2010 at 9:27 am
Wait, I thought it was Bush that blew up the levees. Didn’t he send in the Navy SEALs to place explosives to blow the levees?
June 1st, 2010 at 9:36 am
fm, generally I think we’re close to agreement. The problems prior to Katrina generally can be blamed upon the local govt and business sector (they threatened people who worked in the service industry that they would be fired if they left). The Corps(nice freudian slip in your comment, btw) did an ineffective job, surely, but part of the problem is a state problem. Political elites here made a deal that they allowed the bayous to be decimated over the last 20 years for oil drilling. This made any potential hurricane much more problematic.
Obviously, as far as bp, accidents happen. Gee, nuclear power is one of the safest, and there was a near devastating accident there too. But, I think the reasonable thing to do is if the potential damage is incredibly large, the regulations should be much more intense in order to minimize the chances of these things happening.
I’m bad at analogies, as numerous people have mentioned, but it’s sort of like comparing school bus rules of the road to those for cars.
June 1st, 2010 at 10:20 am
Thank you Monkey.
I was gonna chime in but I’m getting burnt out pointing out to everyone what the protocols are for state emergencies and what collosal screw ups Nagin and Blanco were.
Only an act of God could of fixed their mess.
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@ Redford
Past or present “unfortunate” is far to excusable a term. Where were these “highly skilled individuals” when these fail safes and protocols were being designed ?
Get it right, its fcking catastrophic and disgusting to watch this clusterfck of keystone cops get it wrong everytime so far. That includes the fed.
At this rate nuclear reactors have a better safety record
June 1st, 2010 at 12:22 pm
The Army Corps Of Engineers does absolutely NOTHING without direct orders from Washington. They GO when told to. They STOP when told to. They turn Left or Right only when told to.
For generations, the Federal Gummint has been sending money for levees to LA and for generations the money has been stolen.
When levee projects are funded, first come the delays. After all, it takes time for your sisters husband to buy dump trucks and bulldozers.
Then there is the choice of a good, strong 30 ft high levee, 10 miles long or a skimpy 10 ft high levee that is 50 miles long. I hope I don’t need to spell out which one won that argument every single time.
Anytime the COE objects to anything that the local robber barons want to do,all it takes is a quick call to the Congressional Reps in DC and not only are they overruled but many an Army Colonel has had his career trashed just months short of retirement.
Since before Katrina made landfall, the local yokels have been stealing the recovery money in the tens of millions. From the moment news of the oil spill came out, these blood sucking parasites have been positioning themselves to rape BP and the POTUS has ‘acted stupidly’ to assist them.
BTW Most of the Big Time Lawyers, Politicians and Movers and Shakers in New Orleans, are the Grandchildren and Great Grands of the people that were raping LA in the 50’s and 60’s.
June 1st, 2010 at 1:18 pm
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lisab Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 4:10 am
i have learned obama has a real problem … who does he blame?
bush or israel?
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Which ls a clear sign you’re still stuck on stupid
June 1st, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Oh lisab – he’ll find a way to blame both.
June 1st, 2010 at 1:23 pm
micky Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 8:47 am
Redfordgirl:
“The oil spill is indeed very unfortunate.”
Jeez, you sound like Obama.
Stubbing your toe is “unfortunate”
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More like Condi Rice when asked about all the death and suffering in Iraq caused by Georgie’s invasion.. “They’re just going through the birthpangs of a new democracy.” :/
How quaint
June 1st, 2010 at 1:30 pm
flyingmonkey Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 9:15 am
“The problem with Katrina for the feds was inaction after the fact; the problem here was a lack of effective regulation ahead of time.”
I guess that’s a matter of perspective. Under the constitution, the feds couldn’t go to Louisiana without the governors formal request for assistance. It took then Governor Blanco four days to request help despite daily phone calls from the president himself.
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Gee, your’e right monkey, because the presidents si such a child he needs someone with less power to give him permission to go help people
Also, the Army Corpse of Engineers knew that the levees could only tolerate a level 3 hurricane and stated as such before Katrina hit. The failure to evacuate with three days notice was the fault of Mayor Nagin and Governor Blanco.
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Actually it was fault all around; bush for his lack of action prior to and sluggish action after the fact, Blanco and Nagin for their complete inaction prior to and right after teh fact, the peopel of NO thmeselves for not gettign the f out, and the army core of engineers for not keeping up maintenance, which is all our own fault for being so apathetic to thigns not going on right near us.
The State of Louisiana and the City of New Orleans received funds to strengthen the levees but the money was always diverted elsewhere or was misspent.
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When was this and who was in charge at the time?
As for the lack of regulation. There are over 3,000 oil rigs in the Gulf. An accident of this magnitude was bound to happen regardless of the regulations. It was an unforeseen accident.
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:/ That’s a stretch. A big part of being given such permission is to check recheck, double check what you’ve already triple checked and come up with plans in case your plans fail. While an accident is bound to happen, this is not an unforseeable event. They’re working with massive amounts of pressure, under massive amounts of water adn drilling into the EARTH. I’d call that a massive reason take every precautionary measure imaginable. I’d also call not doing so, criminal neglect.
June 1st, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Ryan Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 9:27 am
Wait, I thought it was Bush that blew up the levees. Didn’t he send in the Navy SEALs to place explosives to blow the levees?
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No Ryan you’re gettign your conspiracy theories mixed up. Too much tea party interaction I’m sure…
the conspiracy theories go… Bush hates black people and so withheld information abotu teh weakened levees to do away with all the debaucherous sinners.
the new one is… Obama contacted his terrorist buddies and had them blow up the oil rig so he could have talking points on green energy that he and gore made up while Micky was giving thema hummer
June 1st, 2010 at 1:39 pm
micky Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 10:20 am
Thank you Monkey.
I was gonna chime in but I’m getting burnt out pointing out to everyone what the protocols are for state emergencies and what collosal screw ups Nagin and Blanco were.
Only an act of God could of fixed their mess.
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@ Redford
Past or present “unfortunate” is far to excusable a term. Where were these “highly skilled individuals” when these fail safes and protocols were being designed ?
Get it right, its fcking catastrophic and disgusting to watch this clusterfck of keystone cops get it wrong everytime so far. That includes the fed.
At this rate nuclear reactors have a better safety record
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Wow, aside freom your apologetics for the lack of action on the part of the bush administration and your typical stock strategy of {republican in wehite hosue state’s faulr/ democrat in white house, governments fault] I can’t really disagree.
Nuclear is safer when properly regulated, and maintaned, but far more risky than solar or tidal when we take into account the possibility of a BP like catastrophy at say san onofre.
Ultimately Solar is the way of the future, and China is starting to ramp that up whiel we sit on our thumbs making excuses for the free market economy’s hang ups and to not get started on our own strong solar program. Sh!t even T. boone Pickens is all for renewable, and yet noone gravitates towards it.
We’re happy to arm ourselves against terrorists and illegal immigrants, but we cna’t get it thorugh our thick skulls that we can save more money by switchign to solar as well as not handing out our money for oil from state sponsors of terrorism.
June 1st, 2010 at 1:41 pm
“Gee, your’e right monkey, because the presidents si such a child he needs someone with less power to give him permission to go help people”
“When was this and who was in charge at the time?”
It’s called Google Foley. Start doing some research instead of just talking out your a$$.
June 1st, 2010 at 1:48 pm
As far as the current disaster in the gulf, a great deal of progress can be made if Jindal would get off his narrow a$$ and just take charge like Blanco damn well should have. And for Nunguesser to take charge like Nagin damn well shoudl have. Seriously, wtf is anyoen goign to do if these fishermen and farmers take matters into their own hands and clean up what government is too stupid to do? [at teh local, state and federal levels]? Shoot them?
Get the fishermen and farmers together and have the farmers contribute their hay bails to the fishermen to put in nets to be placed along the so called sand bar obstacle to help sop up some of that oil, and then sell it back to BP at a profit or have it refined here by another company, and use the profits to help restore some of what was lost in the gulf.
Jindal doesn’t need permission from Obama nor does Obama need permission from Jindal, and any excuse exploiting constitutional protocol is just that; an excuse.
When you have Carville and Matlin agreeing on dealing with the problem first and placing blame second, I’d say that’s a pretty good indication everyone, at least on this one issue, is on the same page, EXCEPT FOR those people who most need to be on the same page.
June 1st, 2010 at 1:49 pm
flyingmonkey Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 1:41 pm
“Gee, your’e right monkey, because the president is such a child he needs someone with less power to give him permission to go help people”
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My point stands.
“When was this and who was in charge at the time?”
It’s called Google Foley. Start doing some research instead of just talking out your a$$.
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:’) that was my point to you actually
June 1st, 2010 at 1:50 pm
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Beth Shaw Says:
June 1st, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Oh lisab – he’ll find a way to blame both.
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there has to be some pushback from others blaming him for previous administrations failures.
June 1st, 2010 at 1:55 pm
ya ya blah blah blah B is in charrge o oil clean up… PFfft. Finders keepers I say.
June 1st, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Correction: ya ya blah blah blah “BP is in charge of oil clean up…” PFfft. Finders keepers I say.
June 1st, 2010 at 2:16 pm
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