The DC City Council is scheduled to vote on and approve gay marriage in the district this week. This is an example of a problem with representation that at times occurs.
DC is predominantly African-American. African-Americans are much more opposed to gay marriage than are their white counterparts. We don’t have to depend upon survey data to tell us this (although it does). We have a real-life example. In 2004, Kerry lost Ohio because African-Americans voted for him in much smaller percentages than expected, to a great extent because there was a gay marriage amendment on the ballot at the time.
As well, the Catholic Church has advised the DC City Council that, if the measure is approved, the Church would either eliminate or reduce some social services that it currently provides. If the District was flush with money, that might not be a problem, but even in good economic times, DC has fiscal issues, due to its dependence upon the federal government for funding. My guess is that the federal government now, with its own budget problems, will not readily fill in the gap caused by this self-induced problem.
So why would the City Council act now to approve same sex marriage then? This isn’t a rare occurrence, where representatives act against the wishes of the constituents at large. Two other examples are NAFTA in 1993 and cap and trade legislation which passed the House earlier this year.
My guess as to what causes this situation is that representatives often have little contact with ordinary citizens. Instead, they deal with other political elites and interest group leaders, and believe that those views mirror those of the populace.









November 16th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
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November 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
These gay marriage debates are seriously getting old.
November 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I don’t think African-Americans are in favor of anykind of Marriage.
November 16th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Legalize gay marriage, but you have to let states do it to keep it constitutional.
November 16th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Perosnally I don’t care one way or the other. there are more important things to worry about in the world.
November 16th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I still think people who can make more people or can offer a real mommy and daddy to a family should have something they can call their own.
The ideal American family needs to be protected.
Pc will soon dictate that anything can be called married.
The most wonderful thing we do is make more people. The relationship a man and woman create behind that should be held in esteem and left to be called marriage.
Gays who adopt should be allowed all the rights of any parent except to be called married
November 16th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Yeah Wes.
I feel the same way about pot legalization.
I think it should be legal but for decades its been an endless debate.
We do have more important issues to deal with but until we get this crap dealt with were just gonna keep on having it clutter up the system.
No matter how trivial we might think it is we have to offer the same consideration as there are those that think the issues we feel are important are just as trivial.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Micky, what are you doing turning this into a discussion about pot? We will need to cloak this thread with magic blog dust when Rhayader shows up.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Sorry.
I promise if anyone tries to take it away I wont contribute. It just happened to be the best comparison to non priorities I could think of.
I doubt that the future or well being of our country will be hinged on either of these issues. With or without either one going either way I dont think its going to make a big difference in the big picture anytime soon
November 16th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
The City Council is doing the right thing to legalize Same-Sex Marriage in Washington D.C. This is a civil issue that needs to be addressed. Civil Liberties can not be provided by popular vote (if so, we wouldn’t see any civil rights amendments), or by support of the Catholic Church who is using extortion to get its way to legislate bigotry.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
is this the new dope thread ?
hiya micky :), hey mccain wazzzz up ?
November 16th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
I believe that marriage is a sacred institution created by God to be exclusively between a man and a woman.
I have reached the point after many long years of being opposed to now being willing to accept civil unions for gays.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Mccain:
Well I’m going to turn this into a conversation about legalizing prostitution. It’s there body and they have a right to do whatever or sell for however much they want. Plus can you imagine how much rapes would go down in society? Think about it.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
I believe that homosexuality is an abomination but that what they do in the privacy of their own homes is nobodies business but theirs.
On the other hand, what they do in PUBLIC is a different story.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Tim:
Why do you feel gays shouldn’t have the right to marry? I mean they don’t hurt anyone and they pay taxes. So why shouldn’t they be able to get married? I mean lets say we lived in a weird world where everyone is born from a tube and the vast majority of the population is gay. Would you like it for them to boss you around and tell you how to live your life. Now I really don’t give a crap about gay marriage, because I’m straight. Yet it just seems that people should be able to do stuff as long as it doesn’t harm others.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
So why would the City Council act now to approve same sex marriage then? -Arriba
Arriba, that is a great question! Time after time as you stated, elected officials vote against the wishes of their constituents. Why ?
Perhaps the DC city council believes that it is the ” politically correct ” thing to do. The elitist suggestion may play a part as well. Those elected to public office are most likely much higher educated than those they represent. Also, politicians , like the vast majority of men are basically selfish .
If you want to advance politically, you need MONEY. Those that control the money in the Democratic Party such as George Soros are heavily committed to this issue. Gays are one part of the Democrats interest groups.
Int his case we have 2 interest groups with opposite views. Which one wins ? The one with the MONEY !
November 16th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Why do you feel gays shouldn’t have the right to marry? - see post #13 paragraph 1.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
I mean they ( gays ) don’t hurt anyone- Charles.
I disagree with you Charles. I believe that they are harming themselves. As I stated above I support civil unions. Civil unions that give them all the rights and benefits that they want and need.
What would marriage give them that civil unions would not ?
November 16th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
“I mean lets say we lived in a weird world where everyone is born from a tube and the vast majority of the population is gay. ”
yeah, but in the real world…
Then again, promoting heterosexual relationships that procreate would make sure that never happens.
The fact of the matter is that those of us opposed to gay marriage feel like we are the ones being bossed around by being told that our title no longer applies to us and that our Christian application of the term is being applied to an act God doesnt approve of.
If gays arent hurting anyone and have all the rights of any married couple why cant they be happy with that ?
While everyone feels that their own relationship be it gay or straight is speacial among all, the substantial component in all this is that those who can create life are more special than any other type of relationship.
Married couples who bring new life to the world are the epitome of humanity and mankind and should be granted exceptionalism be it just a title.
Lets make the real thing special and not whatever deviations we come up with
November 16th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Arriba,
An excellent choice for a topic. Lisab our most prolific poster or commenter strongly supports gay marriage while I strongly condemn it. Also by bringing in the Catholic angle, you draw in McCain and Lisab ( again ).
Could this become a 100+ comment thread ?
Well as my good friend Sarah Palin would say, you betcha .
- I don’t know how to do the smiley face with a wink
November 16th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
The fact of the matter is that those of us opposed to gay marriage feel like we are the ones being bossed around by being told that our title no longer applies to us and that our Christian application of the term is being applied to an act God doesnt approve of…-Micky
That is a GREAT point Micky. 33 times ” gay marriage ” has been put on the ballot box and every single time, the voters have said NO.
So why does the gay community, supported by the Democratic party, keep trying to ram this down our throats ?
November 16th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
I feel the same way about pot legalization.
I think it should be legal but for decades its been an endless debate.- Micky
Micky, you are a man of common sense and wisdom.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
By, the way… I am NOT spamming this thread. I am offering my opinions and responding to others and commenting on the article as posted.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Perosnally I don’t care one way or the other. there are more important things to worry about in the world.- WEs
If you do not care about the topic, then why bother commenting on it ?
What are the more important issues that you refer to ?
Just because the issue is of little interest to you, does that mean others should feel the same way as you ? If so, why ?
November 16th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Charles says…and they (gays ) pay taxes.
I fail to see the connection between paying taxes and being able to get married as a gat man or woman to another gay man or woman.
Perhaps you will enlighten me as to how the 2 are related ?