Okay okay, one final birther story. Unfortunately for the true believers your leader, Orly Taitz, was fined $20,000 for mis-use of the legal system. Justice Clay Land wrote a 43 page order railing against Ms. Taitz and warned her against misusing the court system to push purely political agendas. You can read the order here (it’s pretty scathing).
For any who are not familiar with Orly Taitz, she is one of the leaders of the so-called birther movement who has sought to have the legitimacy of President Obama’s election over-turned through the claim that he never provided a true birth certificate and that he was actually not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya (or some variation on that general theory).
Not one to give up, Taitz has kept her fight up to this day, filing lawsuits and generally hectoring Obama with these claims in any way she can. Judge Land just had enough apparently. He said the $20,000 fine is “a deterrent to prevent future misconduct and to protect the integrity of the court.”
Here’s the thing, basically the first thing they taught us in law school was Rule 11 of the Rules of Civil Procedure. Under Rule 11 lawyers may not engage in frivolous actions, waste the courts time or mis- use legal proceedings simply to annoy people. I think it was arguable that after the first birther suit got thrown out of court before Obama was even nominated the question was settled. To have kept up in this manner for nearly a year after he was elected is just beyond crazy.
Hey Taitz, you lost, move on! You can’t go around accusing Presidents of not being citizens without some real proof, and that’s exactly what you have, a lack of proof. Move on with your life!
Of course she won’t. The birthers are the Right’s version of the truthers on the left. These people don’t know the meaning of quit. 50 years from now I’m sure of 3 things: 1) People will still think there was a conspiracy to kill JFK, 2)People will think there was a conspiracy and Bush was some how involved in 9/11, 3)People will still think Obama was really born in Kenya and not a citizen of the United States.
Taitz Explains her $20,000 fine
October 15th, 2009 at 8:33 am
long live queen taitz. the truth will set you free. she’s my hero and a great example of pure conservative values and the republican values.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:40 am
@jack: You should probably stop embarrassing yourself. What on earth is “conservative” about some conspiracy theorist wingnut constantly filing frivolous and, indeed, illegal lawsuits?
October 15th, 2009 at 8:40 am
It’s very heartening to see reputable conservative voices taking a clear stand on this issue.
If there were real proof of his ineligibility, it would cause great damage to Obama and his administration. But, as you point out, there is none. And therefore the only damage being done is to the right, which is in increasing danger of being lumped in with the bigots and the delusional.
I know that some in the fringe will criticize you for your courageous stand, but be firm. The truth deserves more weight than the quest for political advantage.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Was the $20K fine enough? Maybe when Taitz becomes a real lawyer she will appreciate what just happened. I wonder if she is a mail order bride, just like her law degree? She is perfect reporter material for “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme , unlike a our US courts of law, where you need to present documented facts, not half baked lies (prepare for more failures). When flies get too close to the lights they get burned, Taitz just got burned, thing is, like a fly she will continue, no end in sight. Poor little Birthers they are haters not debaters.
A lawyer, dentist, realtor and black belt, wow I must say a Jack of all trades master of none.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:50 am
ORLY TAITZ TO SCHEDULE EMERGENCY
HEARING WITH JUDGE CARTER?
Once AP has authenticated the article below Attorney Orly Taitz has decided to request an emergency motion and hearing with Judge David O. Carter of Santa Ana, CA. since this is certainly the “smoking gun” Birthers have been waiting for all along.
It so happens that 5 years ago the prestigious publication AP knew that Mr. Barack Hussein Obama, II was in fact born in Kenya and therefore not eligible to occupy the Office of the President.
Apparently thousands of birthers around the United States are organizing an emergency demonstration tomorrow in front of the White House in Washington, D.C. expecting Mr. OBAMA to resign immediately.
Then arrests will begin of all those that have covered up this fraud and conspiracy among them the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court which swore Mr. OBAMA into power, the Vice President Mr. Biden, Nancy Pelosi and others are on the list.
Judge Land will have to face up to his superiors and many other actions are expected tomorrow October 15th, 2009 thoughout the United States.
The U.S. Military will be on top alert and the Chiefs of Staff are expected to ask Mr. OBAMA to resign before they have to disobey his orders.
Mr. OBAMA has decided to play with fire and apparently will be burned in the process.
Birthers around the United States are writing their Senators and Congress Representatives in a never before seen frenzy instructing them to order Mr. OBAMA to resign and for Congress to assemble and begin immediate impeachment proceedings.
Obama Born In Kenya According To 2004 News Article
Apparently OBAMA supporters now have a lot of explaining to do to Judge Carter, Orly Taitz ( which is presenting it to him as we write ), and the rest of the AMERICAN PEOPLE:
http://axj.puntoforo.com/viewtopic.php?t=2827
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
Sunday, June 27, 2004
October 15th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I love how Joy Behar lumps the far right in with this crazy Taitz. Taitz is nuts.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:01 am
I appreciate the links provided by axr rocks. I don’t see how anyone could possibly demand more proof, expecially since in the first sentence of both links it clearly states that obama was born in kenya. How could anyone demand more proof than that?
Oh, btw, when I was in hugh school, I wrote a paper stating that I was the silver surfer. I expect nobody to question this or I’ll organize a march of everyone else who is a superhero, demanding the resignation of all government officials.
If anyone knows where shalla bal is, please let me know.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:06 am
You too arriba? Yikes. Get off it.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Oh now that I read your comment again I think it’s possible you were being sarcastic. If so, my bad.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:13 am
sarcasm, moi?
October 15th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Regarding crime, the person is innocent until proven guilty.
Regarding elligibility, the person is inelligible until proven otherwise.
There seems to be no objective evidence that he has been proven otherwise.
(Appologies to Hawaii. Your assertions are no substitute when evidence is readily available)
Why would a substitute document (COLB) be submitted when the original exists?
Was it lost? or does it say the wrong thing?
Answer that question and Taitz will go away.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:27 am
fred, the COLB is not a “substitute document.” It is currently the only form of Birth Certificate that Hawaii issues, and it is routinely used to get drivers licenses, passports, and even to play Little League!
You seem to be aware of burden-of-proof issues, but you don’t mention the most relevant one:
An official state document is considered valid until proven otherwise.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:27 am
I say, let’s move on. Forget the “birther” thing.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:34 am
BigGuy,
Wishful thinking and distraction does not change the fact that there is an original, and it is being kept hidden.
Hawaii’s electronic consolidation is understandable.
It does not remove the possibility of misrepresentation.
It is the only evidence being made available, so it is considered persuasive.
The continual attention is a response to the ongoing refusal to produce an original which must have existed when the president got his first passport.
PS Hawaii acknowledges that the COLB is a substitute for the original birth certificate.
Even they would not claim that it is original.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:35 am
fred, let me just try to pin down an answer. Other than your group just whining, what is your proposed policy solution? Do you want a do-over of the election? If so, exactly how does that make you any different than the dem loons who wanted toredo the 2000 election? Do you want bho to be kicked out? Well, presumably, biden would be kicked out, too…I wonder who would be president then. Gee, I’d have to check out the constitution to figure out the line of accession.
So, that’s your hidden agenda? You want nancy pelosi to become president?
October 15th, 2009 at 9:36 am
So I say lets drive a stake through the heart of this birther movement, and we all know the stake is a birth certificate that is about as old as Mr. Obama.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:40 am
fred, why are you making things up?
What Hawaii says about COLBs is this:
“Certifications of Live Birth … are official government records documenting an individual’s birth.”
As I said before, “An official state document is considered valid until proven otherwise.”
Legally, his Hawaiian birth is a proven fact. You’re the one indulging in wishful thinking.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:41 am
My political agenda is simply this.
Let’s be a country that honors it’s own laws.
Let’s address the distractions with irrefutable evidence so this can go away.
This fringe movement is causing more drag on the administration than we realize, and serious legislation is being hampered.
Decisions are being delayed that cost lives.
I’d love to move on, but the birther bell is still ringing.
PS
When I’m whining, I type in itallics
October 15th, 2009 at 9:43 am
They should have been hit with a million dollar fine… so they’ll disban. What a bunch of retarded people live in this heeeer backwards, igneeeerant kountry!!!!!!!!!
October 15th, 2009 at 9:46 am
right, fred, I didnt ask that. I wanted to know your POLICY agenda. What, that is, do you propose as a solution? If you believe what you’re saying, you must believe that bho should be removed? If you dont believe it, you’re no different than maxine waters spouting nonsense about reparations.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:47 am
…. and the gay tea-baggers (cracks me up that they didn’t know this was a sexual term) should be fined next. Why is the right so dumb? See Joe the (wink wink – Maaaahverick) as proof!
October 15th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I do not wish that the president is not a natural born citizen.
So I am not engaging in wishful thinking in the way you suggest.
I cannot see that it would be good for the country.
I assume he would be proven elligible.
I believe that permitting the lingering doubt is costing us.
I believe the document that would silence many birthers (and certainly the growth of suspicion)IS available.
The legality of the COLB is not the same as the credibility.
The COLB was devised for things other than presidential elligibility in mind, and reasonably so.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Just look at how quickly people are stereotyped, called names, grouped, mocked,etc.
Largely due to allowing just enough doubt to tangle over.
I hope not to have offended anybody.
Holy cow!
October 15th, 2009 at 9:55 am
“Let’s be a country that honors it’s own laws.
Let’s address the distractions with irrefutable evidence so this can go away.”
The irrefutable evidence is that Hawaii says the cert is valid.
Only a freeking loon would think that with all the types and levels of intelligence gathering depts we have in this country that we could allow a non citizen to become president.
October 15th, 2009 at 10:00 am
fred, you say “The COLB was devised for things other than presidential elligibility in mind, and reasonably so.”
What do you mean by that? The COLB was devised to serve as proof of the information it contains, such as date and place of birth. And, other than the 14-year residency requirement, date and place of birth (if it’s on U.S. soil) are exactly what’s required to be President.
It’s an official document designed to prove precisely what’s needed to be proved.
To my way of thinking, one has to overcome enormous legal obstacles to make the case that someone should be required to prove something that he’s already proved. It strikes me as nothing but harassment, and the courts are right to block it.