Joan Walsh at Salon has an interesting blog post lambasting Liz Cheney’s appearance on the Larry King Show tonight. She throws a fit over Cheney “defending” Birthers on Larry King’s show and acts like this is the biggest political suicide ever. For those who are not aware of what a “birther” is, this is the Conservative equivalent to the “truthers” on the left who claim they just want the truth about 9/11, but really just want to subtly blame George Bush for blowing up the Trade Center. Birther’s believe that Obama is not qualified to be President of the United States because he was actually born in Kenya or Indonesia or in Hawaii before it was a state, or any variety of conspiracies that invalidate the Obama’s eligibility to be President. They claim that since Obama never has provided a Certificate of Live Birth issued by the State of Hawaii, that this proves he is hiding his true birth place. Personally I don’t think that, but I do think there is something on the COB that he wants to hide, like he is Muslim or something.
When asked about these Birthers and given the chance to distance herself from them Cheney demurred, claiming some lame excuse that Americans don’t feel comfortable with a President who won’t defend them overseas. I think this is a rather flimsy dodge of the question. Liz should either man up and say “yeah, well, he never has produced that COB and we’re just asking questions here” like Rosie O’Donnell likes to do, or totally denounce the Birthers as a fringe group. You can’t take the middle way with this kind of stuff, you are either a believer or not, if you try to demure you’ll just lambasted by the likes of Joan Walsh. So, the question is, does this end Cheney’s political ambitions before she gets started? She’s been a pretty smart voice for Conservatism, but once you are branded a whack job (rightly so or not) it’s hard to recover from that, just ask Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich.
Here is a video of the birther interrupting Rep. Mike Castle demanding to know the truth:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Obama has never shown a real birth cert. just a photo copy of a doctored document and now people who ask are on the fringe? Gee, try passing a photo coppy of a dollar bill, for a purchase or a photo copy of a licence to board a plane…yea like doctored photocopies are now valid..and those who ask for certified copies are fringe groups? OK then So that makes congress a fringe group too who asked to see McCaine’s B Cert and the DOD who also asks everyone and anyone applying for security clearance, but now the top guy has not produced the goods, and spent millions to hide his cert and prints millions of phony monoply money, and those who ask for certified copies are now fringe groups… what has this world come too….? well maybe its all virtual anyhow, life is but a dream… so maybe makes no difference who needs certfid documnents to rule the world, God never did…. and least we forget Obama is god…
July 21st, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Do you read your comments section?
If you do, although there is buzz about his tentative senatorial run in 2010, Mike Castle is currently a U.S. Representative and not a Senator.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Dyl,
Thanks for catching that for me. Funnily I actually knew he was a house member and not a Senator, maybe I’m prescient or something. I’ve fired my editor (sorry mom).
July 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pm
It seems that Bryan McAffee does not have his facts straight about the whole eligibility issue.
First he mixes up the Certificate of Live Birth(COLB) with the Long Form Birth Certificate. The COLB can be filled out by anyone without verification of facts and filed AS fact. The Long Form is something the government of Hawaii puts out and that many foreign born infants file when they come to the state. The information in the COLB can be all made up and filed as fact. The COLB is what Obama has provided as proof of his birth which is not verifiable and not accepted in many instances in the state of Hawaii as legitimate.
To compare the 9-11 nutroots to the eligibility issue shows a total misunderstanding of the issue on Mcaffee’s part. The people who want to see the Long form Birth Certificate are simply saying that they want to see a document that is put out by the state of Hawaii not made up by the applicant as in the COLB.
Alan Keyes did an interview a few dasy ago on the issue and said it quite clearly. He simply said that he wanted to see the long form birth certificate along with college and passport documents to verify the consistency of the information.
He also said that if indeed the documents showed he is a legitimate citizen that he would abide by those facts. I totally agree. The “birthers” simply want to see the proof and if the proof is consistent with a natural citizen then the matter is resolved. End of discussion.
Obama has put under seal ALL his documents and his offical position is that the matter is resolved. Consider, for example, when there was all that National Guard controversy with Bush. Imagine what would have happened if Bush had said that regarding his National Guard Records the matter had been resolved and the issue was closed. The press would have burned him alive. Instead, Bush gave permission to whoever wanted it to access his records and verify their veracity. Guess what? The controversy died.
Obama should do the same. Open up the records since there really is nothng there and the matter would die very quickly. But he does not do that. He is hiding everything which means there is some very, very damaging information.
Why does he not open up the records, shove it all down the “birthers” face, to show that there was never anything to this issue? He won’t do that though.
Isn’t it interesting how the press was demanding transparency of Bush but none of Obama.
Make no mistake. This will not go away because there is much to hide. The good news is that this is now in Federal District court. Watch the Obama clan do everything in its power to prevent discovery. Why are they wanting to prevent discovery? Why have they spent over $1 million in attorney’s fees defending an issue that has been resolved? What are they hiding?
Get your facts straight Bryan Mcaffee.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Liz Cheney gave the equivalent of 0bama’s “present” votes as Senator of Illinois and US Senator, yet that more than qualified 0bama for POTUS.
Joan Walsh is a freakin’ nobody her opinion is both base and servile.
July 22nd, 2009 at 4:34 am
Honestly, I don’t care if someone’s asking questions about a birth certificate or accusing Rush Limbaugh of murdering the Easter Bunny, the moment you start adopting an attitude of dismissing arguments just because you readily believe them as being put forward by ‘quacks’ without even weighing the evidence, it’s a sin of arrogance.
This is the exact same attitude the Bushies had toward the opposition in the last 8 years, and now it’s pretty disheartening to see it happen in reverse. Lies for political gain are hardly a rarity, and to suddenly dismiss a question entirely because it’s farfetched is simply not learning from history.
I personally believe he’s a citizen, but what’s the harm in asking? If that’s your curiosity, fine. It’s when people start vociferously attacking these people, some even suggesting /arresting/ them because they’re ‘dangerous’ and they ‘might do something’, it’s gone ridiculous. Automatically branding dissent as insanity is the /true/ insanity, even if that dissent is a little weird. I don’t see a harm in asking questions. If it’s not seen as such a bad thing, the worst that’ll happen is that people’ll ask more questions, which is something we really need.
July 22nd, 2009 at 5:59 am
All Obama has to do is produce documents to make this go away. It probably hasn’t been done in the past like it should because we didn’t want to stop this historical march of electing a man of color. It is more than likely this man is not even eligible to be president, he won’t release documents to put the issue at rest. But probably the biggest tell tell sign that he is not eligible is that in his book he wrote that in 1979 he registered for selective service. that was proven to be false because president ford abolished the selective service in 1975, Carter reinstated it in 1980 for ages 18 to 26. One document that Obama could not seal because if fell under the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT is his SELECTIVE SERVICE registration. You can go online to review this document. It was actually filed in 2007 and was filled out on a 1990’s form and back dated 27 years to 1980. This means two things. (1) he lied in his book (2) he committed fraud or someone in his organization did. and the handling of this issue confirms he is a non citzen , because non citizens DO NOT have to register for selective service. If you are a citzen and fail to register,
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 am
I saw a close-up of Barack Hussein Obama’s birth certificate from the Hawaii Dept. of Health. Check it out for yourself….The Certificate Number is: 151 1961 010641
Now pay attention here.
151 + 1961 + 010641 = 12753
Now add up the individual digits….
1 + 2 + 7 + 5 + 3 = 18
You know what that means?
18 = 6 + 6 + 6
Do I have to spell it out for you? 666 people!!!!! THE MARK OF THE BEAST!
Lord Jesus, COME QUICKLY!
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 am
Look, I sympathize with the cause, but here is the reality of the situation: unless you guys come up with an actual smoking gun (video of him being born in Kenya or something) you are not going to get anywhere with this. You are just going to be branded as a crackpot. This is doubly so for a main stream politician to come out with the birthers is going to kill their career. Don’t believe? Just watch. Focus your energy on more productive endeavors, like finding good candidates to run for local and state office, volunteering for the GOP, writing your reps and telling them to vote against nationalizing health care. Don’t waste your time pushing this birther stuff, it’s not going to get you far.
July 22nd, 2009 at 6:59 am
why does he not show his hospital long form birth certificate ?????????
July 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 am
So we don’t have to be too careful when branding a public health insurance option as “nationalized healthcare”. But its OK to be really really really careful about whether Obama is really really really a natural-born American citizen. Well, maybe politically inadvisable but you do so sympathize and everything.
Got it.
July 22nd, 2009 at 9:35 am
Two non-partisan websites have presented evidence that this whole situation is farcical. Can we please move on to more important (and real) problems that need to be solved?
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Bryan, the “birther” idiots are a special brand of morons that I thought were only in the far Left, re: 9/11 truthers. I guess the left doesn’t have a monopoly on idiots.
Obama will never be able to present enough evidence to satisfy every nutcase, so he stopped at the Certificate of Live Birth, which is sufficient evidence for any rational person on earth.
Oh well. 100 years from now, the children of these “birthers” will still be making their case in some dissertation that taxpayers will subsidize. Sad.
July 22nd, 2009 at 3:30 pm
There’s a big difference between “truthers” and “birthers.” The birthers are right!
In contrast to truthers, birthers are all about evaluating ALL OF THE EVIDENCE!
OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!
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July 22nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
The matter is now in Federal district court and the trial has begun.
The long form birth certificate, the passport documents, and college transcripts will come out in discovery.
You don’t need to worry your pretty little head about whether or not our time is wasted. We will get to see all the documents in court.
Remember this is how Watergate started.
Obama is like the turkey you have just put in the oven at Thanksgiving. We now know the Turkey’s future is history. All we have to wait for now is for the Turkey to be thoroughly cooked.
Put a fork in it. Your communist con man is done.
July 23rd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
They have not only already shown the original birth certificate, they have produced 2 original Birth Announcement ads from the 2 towns newspapers his family lived in in Hawwaii, announcing his birth. Explain that!! Or do you think his family knew back in the 60’s that they should plant this Birth Announcement for his future election. You are blind, stubborn children who just close your eyes and plug your ears and act like idiots over something that has been well proven.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:07 am
It is amazing how the enemies of the “birthers” are so consumed with how birthers are wasting their time. What considerate human beings you are.
This president has a credibility problem. His minions simply don’t understand they are viewed as known quantites which is as liars. This president promised us 8% unemployment if we did the stimulus. He lied. BTW, it was spelled out in a special report published in January. That was an official report and they just threw it out when it did not serve them. Isn’t it amazing how this administration tosses out documents when they are not convenient?
This prez told us that we could keep our health insurance with his reforms. That is a lie. This prez said he did not want to tell other nations what to do. He is micromanaging Honduras and Israel. This prez promised transparency yet he put all his documents under seal the first day in office via executive order. This prez promised no more lobbyists. They are flooding Washington.
We are told today that housing is up 11% but consumer confidence is the lowest its been since he took office and year over year housing is down 24%. Another lie.
What the enenmies of birthers don’t understand is that everything promised by this prez has been a lie. Consumers do not believe in his economy because he lies.
It is not a big stretch that the birth certificate assertion is also a lie. All Obama has done since he started campaigning has been a lie. We can only assume that all he knows to do is lie and the validity of the birth certificate is no different. Another lie. This is what these people do. They don’t know how to communicate other than with the lie.
August 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Gil you are such an amazing dumbass. Tossed out papers..oh like all the destroyed interrigation papers from Dickhead Liar Cheney. You can keep your healthcare you moron, read things for yourself and stop following LIARS like Limbaugh. The lobbyists are all your stupid Right Wing Health Insurance Lobbyists there to spread lies like all republicans do. Its very hard to get anything done when you idiots goal is to make him fail. WTF? Stick with your lyin, wife cheatin, right wingers you sheep. Birthers are to stupid to read on there own so someone please read this for them.
October 15th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
CharlieWest Says:July 22nd, 2009 at 9:35 am
Two non-partisan websites:
http://snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Snopes is just a husband-wife “mom and pop” outfit. They write an best-guess, un-informed opinion.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
FactCheck lies by claiming to have “photographed the original birth certificate” when what they display is computer generated certification which was printed by a LASER printer. LASER printers did not exist in 1961, and HI DOH never destroyed records from 1961, so, why can’t we see the long form birth certificate?
Some say Birth Announcement ads are proof of something, but the ads only indicate a higher record is on file. The wise researcher, takes prima facie evidence on face value and digs deeper. Do not operate on assumptions unless you don’t mind being the fool.
Find the Lucas Smith “footprint” BC.
Google Maps “coast general hospital mombasa”
That’s the new name of (1961) Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, on Mombasa Island, Mombasa, Kenya. On 1 July 1895, it became part of Britain’s Kenya protectorate (the coastal strip nominally under Zanzibari sovereignty). Mombasa Island, was part of the state of Zanzibar until 12 December 1963 when it was ceded to be incorporated into the newly independent state of Kenya.
The Lucas Smith “footprint” BC, is a document of Coast Province General Hospital, Mombasa, British Protectorate of Kenya.
Well, if Hawaii newspapers are a valid source of info, why not a Kenyan One.
Besides, journalists usually need three sources. And, “baby, this makes three”..
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=275729
And see 5th post