A liberal member of the California Assembly will introduce legislation this week to ban spanking in California. We’re not talking about a feel-good bill that only applies to public schools or public places. State Assembly Speaker Pro Tem Sally Lieber, D-Mountain View, plans to put a virtual nanny into every private home.
The new law would make it illegal to spank children 3 years old or younger. The monstrous parents who disobey the Super-nanny statute in their homes could go to jail for a year and face a $1,000 fine.
So in the future, when your 3-year old chases a ball into the street for the twelfth time, you are expected to politely explain the error without hurting his feelings, increase his daily dose of Riddlin, and schedule eight more sessions of publicly funded therapy.
Liberals know how to raise your child best. Just ask Sally Lieber. Pay no attention to the fact that she doesn’t have any children of her own — such experiences aren’t necessary for expert parenting by a State Super-nanny. After all, Lieber is versed in the most advanced methods, academic techniques and theories about the matter. She understands what your child needs because, well, she once read a psychology book.
To twist a Robert Frost passage, this is a socialist road that should be less traveled. While liberal legislators in California have succeeded in filling the public school curriculum with politically correct experimental mush, the option exists to escape with your children into private schools. But when the state converts every private home into a public commune, what is the option to escape such madness? There is no alternative but to raise children in your home.
Winston Churchill famously said “Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.” So in Churchill’s world, no liberal is mature enough to procreate. For better parenting, therefore, consider the cheeky notion that responsible reproduction should wait for the sensible conservative awareness that maturity hopefully brings.
I often pity the children of liberal social experimentation and the multitudes of uninformed parents who absorb the unproven theories. Not only do these children have to confront the challenges that all kids face growing up, they must also overcome the damage inflicted by their parents, many of whom read flawed parenting books brought to you by the new social order. And overcoming the spineless confusion later must be a very tough road indeed for these poor kids.
Many of the Social Engineers are willing participants in single-family households and consider that fact as merely inconvenient to child raising. They fill their kids with drugs because modern theories don’t allow for boys being boys. They spoil and soften kids with carrots only, when carrots and sticks are proven to build more responsible adults.
They experiment with each dubious new theory that they read in the bathtub, ignoring the collective wisdom produced by generations of experience. Curiously in the new child-raising playbook, the child’s fragile feelings are elevated to supremacy above even his own best interest. You see, only an abominable parent would cause a thumb sucking two year old to cry after he dashes in front of a car.
I am saddened when watching the potential train wrecks look adoringly into the eyes of dimwit parents. The kids won’t know any better until they are a Churchill 30, and meanwhile the public schools just reinforce the mess by following the moral relativist curriculum.
And unfortunately it isn’t enough for these social engineers to damage their own children. They are so sure of the madness that they come after your kids as well.
And that’s why Sally Lieber is introducing a nanny-state bill in California this week. Parents and legislators who engage in such liberal social experimentation should be spanked for their impetulent behavior.
You can read more in the Sacramento Bee, San Jose Mercury News, and LA Times Blog
See also Black Prof, USA Today Blog, All-encompassingly, Slate
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January 30th, 2007 at 10:12 pm
just one question?
adults can still get spanked … right?
i’m not going back to san francisco if i can’t get a good spanking … what would be the point?
January 30th, 2007 at 10:13 pm
and why don’t you people have an open thread?
January 30th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Lisa, who would have a problem with responsible adults spanking their playmates in the privacy of their homes? And if its good for adults, it must be good for children.
As for open threads, it has been suggested but I shudder at competing with Dave Wissing’s fabulous open threads at http://www.hedgehogreport.com/ I would rather hang out there if only I had the time!
January 30th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
“And unfortunately it isn’t enough for these social engineers to damage their own children. They are so sure of the madness that they come after your kids as well.”
see mccain, negative reenforcement only works when:
a.) it occurs quickly after the behavior being punished
b.) the child can mentally connect being hit by their parent with the behavior being punished
if point b.) is not possible because the child is too young to understand what precipitated the assault, the behavior will not change and the child will simply associate the parent with someone who is to be avoided.
spanking really only belongs in the bedroom
think about it, who hits a 1 year old anyway? of course my mom used to hit me when i was three … i can still remember that mom …
but … i’ll try to overlook those painful memories when picking out a nursing home, but for the record it WAS my barbi, yes it WAS, yes it WAS … i’m not listening … yes it was!
January 30th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Although I tend to agree with you, that isn’t a matter for the state to decide. Father Knows Best was a mainstream show, once upon a time.
But Barbi? Much too sexual a toy for impressionable youngsters to be dressing. Such aggressive girls we are raising these days, alas!
January 30th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
Funny thing—I have read 3 different bio’s about Sally Lieber, and none of them mention children—shes got a hubby named Dave and a black and white cat—but no mention of children anywhere—I find that very interesting.
Oh, now I see. Here is an excerpt from The Mercury News that cleared it up for me. Ha, ha, ha!!!
Some reader comments have personally assailed the assemblywoman. Seizing on the fact that Lieber has a cat but no children, one person called her “the cat lady” and another a “spinster” who’s ignorant about child
January 30th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
“Father Knows Best” … i prefer “the donna reed show” now that was a good show
but barbie was and is great! i had this cool barbie dollhouse … i asked santa for this barbie dollhouse that literally had hundreds of pieces to assemble … but i guess santa’s elves didn’t have the patience for putting it together … so …
they specially made me a wooden dollhouse which was much bigger than the plastic one they had originally designed … i had gables and a fireplace but strangely not enough closet space (actually no closet space) somehow i think the elves that built it were men
January 30th, 2007 at 11:36 pm
Lisa - If Barbie would use Salvation Army more, there would be more room in the house. We never miss a spring cleaning at Ranch McCain.
Joe - yeah, it isn’t all the relevant to me, because liberal parents are almost as bad as the liberals without kids. But I thought worth mentioning.
January 31st, 2007 at 3:53 am
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January 31st, 2007 at 3:53 am
I say Darwin’s theory is true (can I say that on a conservative wbsite? - Yes I can - I’m an evil scientist!
) My kid reaches for the plug for the unpteenth time (after everything else doesn’t work), they are likely to get a smack on the hiney with a stern “no!” Chances are, they’ll try it a few more times to test then find something else more interesting, like pulling the cat’s tail. But they won’t get fried…
People who make these laws never had kids. They are also the ones who get upset when the kid has a breakdown in a restaraunt. Those of us with kids just look at the hapless parents with pity and smile b/c it’s not our kid this time!
Even the staunchest “no spank” people I knew resorted to it in the above scenerios. A little smack on a diapered rear end hurts nobody, it gets their attention more than anything - I doubt if it hurts (does it lisab?). Beating any kid at any age should land you in jail, so this law will accomplish nothing - and how do they paln to enforce it?
January 31st, 2007 at 3:59 am
This brings to mind a constant problem we faced - fortunately with no ill results. Asian kids often have what is called a “Mongolian Spot” across their backs and buttocks. It looks just like a giant bruise. We were always worried about being accused of abusing our kids. Of course the spot lasts for years in the same place, and evidently all the child care providers were aware of it - we were never questioned about it. It always made us nervous when someone new would take care of the kids though.
January 31st, 2007 at 4:46 am
WTW: UK Police Stop Terror Plot, Massive Use of Quotation Marks…
Morning, y'all, Jebediah Murphy here. Kudos to the British (from the BBC)
Police raids target 'terror plot' (this was the headline)
Eight people have been arrested under the Terrorism Act in Birmingham after a "significant" opera…
January 31st, 2007 at 5:45 am
Well, since McCain informed me of this post, you know I need to comment.
First, I don’t and I never have spanked my kids. But let me say that I grew up in a family where one of my siblings was in fact physically abused and so that’s obviously had a huge impact on me.
However, that out of the way, I agree with you on what I believe is the core issue: the state shouldn’t go this far in legislating behavior, which never succeeds anyway.
Also, I don’t believe that spanking accomplishes more than what my methods of parenting accomplishes.
As someone who worked in the children and family mental health field for several years, my opinion, based on my experience and education, is that for some families, in some circumstances, yeah, a spank will do the trick. It’s not for me, but I am not going to outlaw it, ever.
My only concern would be that spanking is integrated into an otherwise acceptable parenting style - that it is not abuse, that it is not reflective of a parent’s anger or inability to do anything but hit, and rather reflects the measured use of a particular tactic.
That all parents don’t know what the guidelines should be around spanking, as such a tool, is part of a much bigger problem and probably what Lieber thinks she’s getting at.
But, my experience also says, you’re never going to get at the larger problem of crappy parenting by legislating spanking as a crime.
How’s that McCain?
January 31st, 2007 at 6:38 am
The Knucklehead of the Day award…
Today’s winner is French Health Minister Xavier Bertrand….
January 31st, 2007 at 7:02 am
Jill - what a well-reasoned answer that only a female blogger can give - well alright - the guys do a good job too - how’s that McCain?
Jill, do we both have a need to have McCain approve? There has to be some pyschology there…..
It is great having you comment here with all the other punditeers!
January 31st, 2007 at 7:18 am
Obituary: Saddam Hussein…
there are quite a number of folks in the world who ignored Saddam’s petty quirks such as gassing his own people and throwing friends and relatives into a meat-grinder, and looked at him as a family man, a doting father and loving husband. …
January 31st, 2007 at 7:32 am
MBT - you have blanket approval for all opinions expressed in the future, and thanks for asking. And I’m working on another Y chromosome blogger, but you really don’t need the help!
Jill - has a nice blog. Hope everyone visits it! We seem to agree on this issue, Jill. I don’t spank one of my kids because he has never needed it. Isn’t one answer to parenting.
January 31st, 2007 at 7:46 am
Never spanked two boys, now 24 and 30 years old. No drugs, no spanking. No running into streets - no running with scissors. I have no doubt the best behaved children throughout all their school years. The yelling and screaming that parents usually do as they spank is what the child remembers. The physical part only proves that the parent was also abused as a child.
There was a time when regular beating for wives was acceptable. I suspect in time, even your children will one day learn that spanking only seems to work. There are roosters who believe their crowing brings up the sun, but it ain’t so.
See my post Young Children Should never be spanked
January 31st, 2007 at 8:59 am
From the Silly News Desk…
Some news from China
BEIJING - A desperate Chinese university student wants to “rent” a girlfriend for 10 days so he can show her off to his parents over the Lunar New Year holiday, state media reported Wednesday….
January 31st, 2007 at 9:03 am
How to Handle the “No Win Scenario”…
I think he handled the “no-win scenario” of smoking dope and not studying pretty well.
Sure he didn’t exactly get the right answer, but he rearranged the criteria and offered a reasonable solution to the premise……Somethin…
January 31st, 2007 at 9:35 am
UK thwarts beheading…
Nine arrested in the UK on “suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism”. Terrorism officials uncovered an alleged plot to kidnap a Muslim soldier and behead him and display the video on the internet. Police and…
January 31st, 2007 at 11:01 am
Cut, Cut, Run, Run . . ….
Call me crazy, but I come from the school of common sense ethics and logic that says . . . You donÂ’t say “We love and support our troops” while at the same time yanking the rug out from beneath their feet….
January 31st, 2007 at 11:22 am
Well Bernie, I find that your comparison of useful spanking with wild child beaters and wife beaters is a little preposterous.
A firecracker is not the same thing as a nuclear bomb. Nor is appropriate spanking called “abuse” by thinking people assuming that words still have meaning in our descending culture of moral relativity.
You sited one of those liberal feel-good studies. This part is particularly amusing in the context of a study, because it is completely unrelated to the subject supposedly getting studied, which was spanking:
["A home environment that is intellectually stimulating gives children an opportunity to work through and practice their emotions, think through the consequences of their actions and imagine possibilities for alternative actions in the future, he said. “Allowing children to stretch their brains in that kind of way is allowing children to behave less anti-socially down the road,� he said.]
Yes that’s great. Do that, but what does it have to do with appropriate disciplinary action for kids who need to learn? You have a job as a parent to help them become adults. If you are going to give carrots alone, you leave your children ill-prepared for coping in the real world. Spanking works as a useful parenting method, is completely appropriate when used appropriately, and is none of the governments’ business.
No matter how loud you want to say it, wild liberal theories about the nature of things will never overturn the empirical experiences of parents.
January 31st, 2007 at 12:05 pm
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January 31st, 2007 at 12:54 pm
UIC Anti-Marine Recruiting Protest…
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