The Supreme Court turned down a challenge to the Pentagon Policy that forbids gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military. Former Army Captain James Pietrangelo was dismissed under a federal law and lost his appeal Monday at the U.S. Supreme Court.
Presidents Bill and Hillary Clinton
He and 11 other veterans had sued the government over the “Don’t ask, Don’t tell” law passed in 1993. Pietrangelo appealed the ruling by a federal appeals court in Boston. Pietrangelo was the only one who appealed to the high court, but the justices without comment refused to intervene. The 12 veterans asked the Clinton-era policy be ruled unconstitutional.
Despite campaigning last year in support of repealing the “Don’t Ask and Don’t Tell” policy, the Obama White House asked the Supreme Court not to take the case and it would not stop homosexuals from being kicked our of the Military. President Obama said he supported throwing out the federal law but has taken no specific action on the controversy. Another promise not kept by Obama. Yet he is to this day supported by gays. More proof he will say anything to any one to gain power and get elected.
In the high court filing The Justice Department said the law was “rationally related to the government’s legitimate interest in military discipline and cohesion.”
The law forbids those in the armed services from openly acknowledging or revealing their homosexuality, and prevents the government from asking individual soldiers and sailors about their sexual orientation. There have been gays in the Military since the beginning and there will always be. The Don’t policy was Clinton’s first official act as President. It seems like it is the liberals that have a problem with gays. Perhaps Bubba and Barry are homophobes.
There is no pending legislation in Congress to change or repeal the “don’t ask/don’t tell” law. Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!
June 8th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Perhaps Obama actually realizes that the Supreme Court isn’t an extension of the legislature. He supports the elimination of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell, but realizes the court isn’t the place for it to be done.
Before Don’t Ask Don’t Tell the policy was still expulsion for Gays, but those who lied when they were asked were guilty of lying to a superior officer, which is another offense. Gays have been in the military since the beginning, but have had to keep it quiet. The Right required Don’t Tell…Clinton added Don’t Ask.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Dude, it was the Supreme Court’s decision, not Obama’s. You don’t know much about the way our justice system works, but that’s not surprising. You guys think the earth is only 6,000 years old.
If gays were able to be openly gay in the US military, there are probably tens of thousands of military personnel who would be outed but want to remain in the closet because their spouses–male and female–would be outraged at the exposure. It wouldn’t do, for instance, to have lesser ranks referring to GEN Patraeus as “Mary.”
June 8th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Gustav wrote: “It wouldn’t do, for instance, to have lesser ranks referring to GEN Patraeus as “Mary.” ”
No, and it wouldn’t do for lesser ranks to refer to Obama or Colin Powell as “Uncle Tom” either.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:51 am
If gays were able to be openly gay in the US military, there are probably tens of thousands of military personnel who would be outed but want to remain in the closet because their spouses–male and female–would be outraged at the exposure.
It’s been while, but last I knew, adultry was still a crime in the Military and they would go after people on it.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Gus,
Did you read the story? The Obama Justice Dept asked the Supreme Court not to hear the case.
And Obama will not do anything to stop gays from being kicked out.
So yes it is Obama’s decision.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:55 am
The first two commenters miss the forest for the trees. Of course there is a split between the S.C. and the Executive Branch.
George’s larger point is, if Obama wanted to, he could repeal Don’t Ask Don’t Tell on his own. He chooses not to. Why? Because his only goal is to stay in power, and he’ll go whichever way the wind is blowing on this issue.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Bill instinctively hugs the woman next to him, before realizing it was just Hill.
Oh, wait, this is not the weekly caption contest. My apologies.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Well, the photo kind of qualifies for the ‘Don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
“You guys think the earth is only 6,000 years old.”
Heh, you guys cant decide if its global warming or climate change depending on the years weather and think its gonna kill us all unless we all kill ourselves first. You also think our enemies really want to be our friends.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Micky, I read your whole diatribe but failed to understand your use of the word freedom. Liberals do not fear freedom, conservatives do. Freedom to decide when my life will end, freedom to marry the person I love, freedom for women to choose, freedom to be able to teach all possibilities in school. Your second paragraph tells me that you think I could be right. If you believe that, why not teach both sides? Give the children the freedom to decide.
You said I have “probably never read a scripture”. More than I care to admit. That’s why I know you will not be able to find the scriptures I keep asking for. Paul hated women. That’s clear. He had plenty of chances to condemn lesbianism. Where does it say that?
“They seek the sexualization of children and the normalization of pedophiles, all in the pursuit of genital freedom.” Did you really say that? Micky, priests are the pedophiles.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
The only explanation for this is that Larry Sinclair is enlisting. Obama is sooo soooo gay, isn’t he?
Cassandra, do you value the freedom to carry a concealed firearm, the freedom to discriminate against hiring Mexicans in a Chinese restaurant, and the freedom to pray in public schools?
June 8th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Cassandra, this is in Romans 1:26 (Paul wrote it, check the rest of the chapter): Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.
So yes, Paul condemned lesbianism. But it is not even necessary to go this portion, because in many other parts of the Bible it is clear that marriage is between a man and a woman.
MCCAIN, good questions. I would go further: Is a fish captive because it is bound by water? Should it jump to shore, into the sand, to experience freedom? True freedom requires boundaries. If not, why do we have laws in the first place?
June 8th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Cassandra;
“Micky, I read your whole diatribe but failed to understand your use of the word freedom. Liberals do not fear freedom,”
Is that why Obama has systematically stripped companies of their right to their private property ? or my right to my property ? My right to my speech ?
” Freedom to decide when my life will end”
Whats stopping you ?
” freedom to marry the person I love”
Not in a Church. The church has the right to deny that they marry you in the eyes of God. But you and your ilk would like to take that right away from them for the sake of a simple title.
“freedom for women to choose,”
Try using that freedom to buy a condom. Try to use that freedom to use your God given talents, whatever they may be so that you dont end up tossing innocents that have a right to life in a dumpster.
“freedom to be able to teach all possibilities in school.”
Unfortunately our public leaning institutions are not afforing our kids anything but to be institutions of liberal indoctrination.
“Your second paragraph tells me that you think I could be right. If you believe that, why not teach both sides? Give the children the freedom to decide.”
Like I said.
“You said I have “probably never read a scripture”. More than I care to admit.”
The first step is admitting you dont know anything about me.
” That’s why I know you will not be able to find the scriptures I keep asking for. Paul hated women. That’s clear. He had plenty of chances to condemn lesbianism. Where does it say that?”
You have the freedom to confuse me with someone else.
“They seek the sexualization of children and the normalization of pedophiles, all in the pursuit of genital freedom.” Did you really say that? Micky, priests are the pedophiles.”
Factually speaking the majority of those in prison are democrats as well as the majority of pedophiles are not priests.
If you knew so damn much about me you’d know that I’m the last person in the world to advocate for organized religion.
Sit down and shut up unless you actually have something factual to go on.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Cassandra talked about freedom for children to choose between evolution and the fact that God created Adam and Eve. That is what I understood from her statement, “Freedom to teach all possibilities in schools.”
You see Cassandra children aren’t given that freedom in public schools. Evolution and other scientific notions are taught as if they were the “Absolute Truth”. I went to public schools in America as a small child and I know, I used to think as a little kid that whatever they teach us about science is true. I did not question it.
So you see these little children are raised up to think of science as the truth and evolution as a matter of fact. They don’t have a choice at school. They wont think any different unless their parents or religous weekend schools explain to them otherwise.
Im not a Christian but a Muslim. But we don’t believe that humans are the descendents of monkeys.
I believe that science has its place. It is a useful tool to help us discover new technologies to improve the material well-being of our societies. But I dont believe science should be taken as a religion instead of God’s revelation. Some people take science as a religion and see people like Darwin and others as if they were its prophets or even, more extremly, its gods. As if the words they uttered from science were infallible. This is not right.
And the people need God and His Guidance. He is ever all-aware of Humans and what will benefit them. There are many things that revelation from God can provide for us that science can not.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
I took my freedom to go take a dump without being charged a fee while I still have it.
In addition to Cassandras asinine assertion that “priests are the pedophiles” as if they are the majority or sole individuals performing these disgusting acts.
True, while there are some priest who choose to go kiddy they are only given notice due to the high prifile of the scandal element.
While the fact of the matter is that liberals have long defended the rights of pedphiles , best example being the highly liberal organization ACLU and it decision to represent NAMBLA in the 2000 rape and murder of Jeffery Curly…
“NAMBLA assists its members in raping children by educating them on how to locate victims, how to gain their trust and how to avoid law enforcement so they won’t get caught.”
“and lured him from his Cambridge neighborhood with the promise of a new bike, then smothered him with a gasoline-soaked rag when he resisted their sexual advances. Jaynes allegedly molested the boy’s lifeless body.”
So please Cassandra, theres more proof out there that lierals want to sexualize kids for thier own pleasure than I’m sure you care to admitt.
NAMBLA assists its members in raping children by educating them on how to locate victims, how to gain their trust and how to avoid law enforcement so they won’t get caught.
“Liberals do not fear freedom, conservatives do. ”
More bullsh*t.
Liberals only promote freedoms that ensure their agendas and shout down or repress all those who threaten that agenda.
Conservatives are not the nes chasing people off stages at Columbia, blocking traffic and robbing people of their right to comute in peace, or ripping the crosses out of of ladys hands at pro gay amrriage rallys and stomping on it while assaulting the woman,or conjuring up farness doctrines,trying to take away our right to bear arms, decide on my own private property if I can allow people to smoke or not, or whom I may hire, national ID cards that give liberal power mongers the power to track everything you do and to have control over your life.
“Child Surveillance System
Schools across the country are starting to require students to carry high-tech ID cards, which track their every movement.
In the wake of 9-11, schools are also accelerating implementation of “Parents As Teachers” and “School to Work” programs. Under Parents As Teachers, government social workers will be assigned to every family of school age children and visit them in their homes.
Will parents who are religious Christians, own guns or criticize big government be at serious risk of having their children taken away?”
Obamas Mandatory Volunteerism
“Another characteristic of totalitarian communist states, like Cuba and Communist China, is mandatory “volunteerism.” Any free time people have after working, sleeping and eating, is consumed by the state in the form of political lectures and assigned “volunteer” work – such as harvesting crops or working in hospitals. Those who don’t volunteer are subject to harassment and even prison.”
Also, most liberals states by many studies are the least “FREE”. Put the two halfs of the link together on your own, that way I wont get trapped in moderation
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/free_states_
study/2009/05/06/211385.html?utm_medium=RSS
June 9th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Hey guys, it’s been a while. I guess I’ve actually been doing work at work. Weird, huh?
@Cassandra: If we’re talking about commonly used definitions, “liberals” and “conservatives” are both strongly opposed to certain forms of freedom. They both seek to enforce a certain morality (religious traditionalism and a strong police state on the right, political correctness, economic safety nets, and environmentalism on the left). Neither side is willing to sacrifice the enforcement of its chosen morality for the sake of individual freedoms. To we libertarians, voting for a major party truly is a “pick your poison” sort of proposition.
Regarding the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” thing: they need to get rid of this crap. All of the common objections were raised when Israel decided to allow openly gay men to serve; none of those objections turned out to carry any weight. Our service people are, for the most part, mature beyond their years because of the events they have witnessed and the training they received. To claim that these folks couldn’t handle truths regarding sexual orientation is insulting and deriding to the heroes keeping us safe on the front lines.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Rhayader, isn’t the issue that our brave men CAN handle the truth? Who the hell wants to get buggered in a foxhole?
June 10th, 2009 at 7:07 am
@McCain: Uhhh, what? I don’t see how wanting to avoid getting “buggered in a foxhole” has anything to do with one’s ability to “handle the truth”.
Besides, gay men aren’t any more sexually predatory or obsessed than straight men. If a straight man can work alongside a woman and be trusted to keep it in his pants, how is that any different than a gay man working around other men?
Beyond that, of course, is the obvious fact that there are gay men serving in the military; we just don’t want to hear about it. Our solution is to put our collective heads in the sand. What good does that do?