Obama’s stimulus plan will allow illegal aliens without a legal Social Security number to be eligible for tax cut refunds – meaning they can receive a check courtesy of you, me and our government.
Senator Harry Reid D-NV
Undocumented illegals who are not eligible for a Social Security number need only file tax returns with an alternative number – also known as a taxpayer I.D. number – making them “legal,” under the Democrat plan, to qualify for government refunds.
This is one more Liberal punch to the Conservative gut contained in Barack Obama’s Stimulus Bill, which sailed through the U. S. House of Representatives without a single Republican vote on January 28th, 2009.
Senator Harry Reid denies the loophole or “glitch” is in the Bill and accused Republicans of stirring up trouble: “Can they get off of this illegal immigrant stuff?”
This report comes from a “Hill Republican,” also described as a “GOP” official, who spoke on conditions of anonymity as he/she “was not authorized to discuss it publicly.”
January 29th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Yah were suppose to be arresting illegal immigrants. Instead we let them in our schools and now were giving them money this is crap on top of crap on top of crap.
Oh and I only said it like that because the new season of Hells Kitchen starts tonight.
January 29th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
The liberal logic behind that is that they too will spread the wealth around once in their hands.
Excuse me, but if I’m correct I seem to remember every Mexican illegal I worked with in LA and San Diego would send most of their money home to family.
I guess when they do become legal they can return the favor by voting dem.
If this sh*t keeps up I suggest the dems get to work on banning handgunds before enough people realize whats going on.
January 29th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Charles, I missed Hell’s kitchen. I haven’t seen it in a while. I think Michelle Malkin described this as a “crap” sandwich.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Micky, I don’t believe there is any logic regarding illegals that should be considered. We just need to STOP it, and certainly they need to never have a check cut from anybody in this country. I’m more than ready for business owners to be jailed for a long time for hiring these people. That is the only way we will stop the obscenity.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
What’s your source..?? Quote: WASHINGTON (AP) — Illegal immigrants who lack Social Security numbers could not get tax credits under the $800 billion-plus economic stimulus package making its way through Congress.
Two senior GOP congressional officials expressed concern Thursday that the bill could steer government checks to undocumented workers, but in fact the measure indicates that Social Security numbers are needed to claim tax credits of $500 per worker and $1,000 per couple. It also expressly disqualifies nonresident aliens.
The Republicans spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. But Democrats were quick to reject the notion.
“This legislation is directed toward people who are legal in our country. It is about time the Republicans got a different piece of reading material and get off this illegal immigrant stuff,” said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.”
January 29th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
this story is false, AP already corrected it:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/6237001.html
WASHINGTON — Illegal immigrants without Social Security numbers could not get tax credits under the $800 billion-plus economic stimulus package making its way through Congress.
A senior GOP congressional official expressed concern Thursday that the bill could steer government checks to undocumented workers, but in fact the measure prevents anyone without a Social Security number from claiming tax credits of $500 per worker and $1,000 per couple. It also expressly disqualifies nonresident aliens.
January 29th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Laura and Bob Abouie: The AP story isn’t exactly a correction. It says the same thing the sources I linked to said except that it doesn’t mention the loop hole provided by an alternative tax number – the taxpayer I.D. – and also the AP story says there are two GOP senators speaking out. My source mentioned one.
Yes nonresident aliens are disqualified, just as they are disqualified from being here illegally, but that hasn’t stopped anything. My sources admitted that illegals are disqualified – but then there is the opportunity, perhaps, to use a taxpayer id rather than a ss number.
My sources did not say it was absolute, but it is worth watching and examination by someone.
Last year, the GOP had to threaten to get this little loophole removed and the Dems reluctantly did so. This year, perhaps they are wiser.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Yeah no kidding. Any illegal alien can get a taxpayer ID number which is effectively a social security number. Those people get free money in the Obama boondoggle plan. The AP writer is an intellectual moron, and now our Baghdad Bob understands.
January 29th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Laura, Bob.
What freaking difference does it make ?
They dont pay taxes, they arent Americans, and it wont get circulated into the economy !
Dont make this a legal or illegal mumbo jumbo issue.
Its about saving our economy and this payment to them will do nothing but guarantee votes for Dems down the road. .
Reid;
“This legislation is directed toward people who are legal in our country.”
Yea, but are they citizens Harry ? Will the money stay in the country ?
This is bullsh*t.
We need to be giving people a source of income not just throwing money around like candy at a parade thinking everyone will share who gets a little extra.
January 30th, 2009 at 8:34 am
If we don’t give people money who are either here illegally or so lazy they wouldn’t walk across the street and stand in line for a million dollars in cash, liberals says we are mean and hateful and that we hate children and old people.
This is a spending bill not a stimulus bill. Please stop referring to it as such.
Laura and Bob, you miss the point. Even if the story is false, liberals want to give money to people that are already sucking money out of the system. You guys are giving our country away and you don’t even care.
There is no change going here with Obama. He is spending money we don’t have and will only cause the recession to last longer. And he is lying about it.
January 30th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
WOW!!! This is an UNBELIEVABLE DISGRACE!!! I knew the GOP didn’t even read this legislation. Because it states THIS of the Make Work Pay Credit eligibility:
tax credits are NOT given to individuals “UNLESS the requirements of SECTION 32(c)(1)(E) are met with respect to such individual” (a section of IRS Code which then states)…
Section 32(c)(1)(E) of the Internal Revenue Code:
“Solely for purposes of subsections (c)(1)(E) and (c)(3)(D), a TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBER MEANS A SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER issued to an individual by the Social Security Administration ”
So… “Taxpayer Identification Number” is clearly defined as a SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!!!
Quit complaining about nothing and due some research. (check out Media matters or read the bill yourself like I have)
January 30th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Chiron090: think this through. A taxpayer i.d. number takes the place of a s.s. number but it is not an s.s. number – no matter how it’s defined.
The loophole is there for those who cannot get an s.s. number, but can manage a taxpayer i.d. number – much easier to obtain and where most of the fraud happens.
Whether this will be fraudulent or not, we do not know, but the possibility exists and I applaud the GOP for looking into it.
As I said in an earlier comment, last year the Dems tried to get this through in legislation, but it was caught then and they were forced to eliminate the egregious language.
Again, think about it. Why would you not want the legislation to be clear and pure?
January 30th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
No it does not take the place of an SS# because, as define by the IRS, a “taxpayer identification number” is EXPLICITLY defined as a SS# issued by the Social Security Administration. There is no such alternative number that exists. One more time… A Taxpayer Identification Number IS a Social Security Number and nothing else. Read the code for yourself.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Then why the difference in titles ?
Chiron;
““taxpayer identification numberâ€? is EXPLICITLY defined as a SS# issued by the Social Security Administration.”
No its not.
They’re not the same thing !
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html#what
“What is an ITIN?
An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. It is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, example 9XX-7X-XXXX.
IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have U.S. tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code.
Individuals must have a filing requirement and file a valid federal income tax return to receive an ITIN, unless they meet an exception.
January 30th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
the story is correct.
the IRS also does not check to see if you are a citizen before collecting or returning tax money. they have no way of knowing whether you are:
a citizen
a resident alien without right to work
a resident alien with right to work
a non-resident alien
an illegal alien
and what is more, they do not really care, so long as they get their money.
February 2nd, 2009 at 10:01 am
Why do you all hate people that here illegally?
It’s because they are different from you. They just want to have a better life and we should make sure they live the American Dream no matter the cost. They should be able to vote. I mean we can vote in their elections too can’t we?
When was it okay for people to break into you home and you were suppose to feed and care for them?
That is what has happened in this country. Libs don’t give a crap about the law.
February 13th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Never should the people that are in our country illegally should get acheck these people come here get the jobs, and start popping all these kids and because they are suppose to be american born the first thing that these people do is apply for state benefits and me as an American we qualify for nothing the heck with Obama and the democrats.
use the money and send the illegally back and start penalizing the employers that hire them.
Now not 10 years NOW is the appointed time
February 15th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
OK ALLL YA NEED TO SHUT UP AND GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ILLEGALS DOOOO PAY TAXES GET IT STRAIGHT OK I WORK IN A OFFICE WHERE I FILE TAXES FOR THEM AND BELIVE ME THEY PAY MEDICARE SOCIAL SECURITY ALL THOSE TAXES SO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SHOURLD BE GETTING SOMEHING BACK.. JUST CUZ U WHERE BORN HERE DOES NOT MAKE YOU MORE THAN THEM OD CREATED US EQUALLY WHICH MEANS YOUR NOT MORE THAN THEM PEOPLE THEY CAME HERE AND WORK FOR THERE FAMILIYS TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE
February 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
@ Erika, the following figures include both legal and illegal households, so you see, we are not prejudiced. Getting right to the facts:
Of all adult high school dropouts, legal and illegal, in America, 49% are illegals, 25% are legal immigrants and 9% are native-born Americans.
The U.S. Government, funded by U.S. citizens, pays out an average of $30,160.00 per legal and illegal household with heads-of-households lacking a high school diploma.
The $30,160.00-average paid represents social security benefits and Medicare, police, public safety, transportation, administrative support, public education and other means-tested aid.
In return for handing-out $30,000.00+ per legal and illegal household, we receive from such households, a payment average of $10,573.00 in taxes. These paid-in taxes include federal highway taxes, unemployment insurance and workers compensation taxes, federal excise taxes and customs duties, state individual income tax, STATE LOTTERY PURCHASES (an average of $714.00 per household!), corporate income tax, state and local property taxes, federal individual income taxes, state and local sales and comsumption taxes and FICA “contributions.”
SUMMARY: U.S. citizens PAY OUT $30,000+ annually, to immigrant (both legal and illegal), low-skilled households, and we RECEIVE only $10,500.00 per such household into our coffers. EACH such household RECEIVES an average of $3.00 for EACH $1.00 paid in, and this thought from me – such benefits are often received through THEFT of our social security numbers.
BY THE WAY: regarding this article that you have commented on, the U.S. House of Representatives removed the language that would provide “cash to illegals – BUT the Senate put it back in. Whether it survived the final compromise that passed, I don’t know.
“Receiving, on average, $19,588 more in immediate benefits than they pay in taxes each year, low-skill immiÂgrant households impose substantial long-term costs on the U.S. taxpayer. Assuming an average 60-year adult life span for heads of household,[24] the averÂage lifetime costs to the taxpayer will be nearly $1.2 million for each low-skill household, net of any taxes paid.
$19,588.00 x 4.54 MILLION such households is a total of $89.1 billion – $89.1 billion we give away, annually, to non-citizen, and knowing-lawbreakers. In addition:
That’s enough for now but, believe me, there’s more data to support this issue of illegals costing American taxpayers at an exorbitant rate.
February 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
separate from cost I see in los angeles area illegals and legal immigrants repeopled the place completely in the past 30 years. Its like they came in and turned over the carpet. Call it what you like, but its been repeopled. It resembles a third world country now, cept most of the signs are in english. I like diversity, and ethnic foods etc, but do I want my country completely repeopled with aliens to the point where I have no common background, interests, or humor with everyone new piling in out there? It feels like Bladerunner, cause it is Bladerunner. This has gone way beyond diversity, its gone to repeopling the place, and yes, with a cheaper more compliant labor force. Great for businesses, questionable for service when you find english has been decapitated into cheeseburger, fries, supersized soda in return for loss of your deeper culture. Then you find yourself a stranger in a strange land that once was your country that now has been taken by masses of others. I do mean masses! California has close to 40 million people and its like a role model for how to do it to the rest of the nation.
February 15th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
“OK ALLL YA NEED TO SHUT UP AND GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT ILLEGALS DOOOO PAY TAXES GET IT STRAIGHT OK ”
Hey bro, no matter what, they’re illegal. O.K. ?
They’re criminals.
Who by the way cost this country far more than they pay.
The cost in entitlements to Ca. and Tex. alone is more than the entire illegal population pays into the federal system.
Brian, if they want to start making illegals look like Sean Young, then I would have no problem with them at all.
No problem.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I am a probation officer and everyday I come across a defendant who is here illegally and provides proof of employment by way of paystub. the paystub reflects ex: xxx-xx-5555. Which more than likely belongs to a person whether alive or deceased. My question is why it is so difficult to charge these criminals and why is there so much “red tape”? Here is the criminal code for IL 720ILCS5/16G-15(a)(4) clearly defines this as a class 3 felony. I have taken it upon myself to find out who the number really belongs to and contact them to inform them that someone is using their number for employment, and to contact their local authorities to have the matter investigated. If I, a legal citizen committed this offense would first be fired and then prosecuted with out hesitation. I feel bad for the victims involved. Elderly, newborns, those who need to claim their benefits and can’t because some criminal is using their social security number. Go home and come here the right way!
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