One of the things that really annoys me, but also makes me laugh because it is so absurd is the claim that the election of President Obama is a refutation of conservative tax-cut policies and that this economy is the final proof that Reagan supply-side economics does not work. There are many reasons this is both a false and absurd statement, chief among them is the fact that the number one reason Obama won this election is because the electorate believed Obama would actually be the better tax cutter.
However, lets assume that this isn’t the case, what more proof do you need that liberal tax/spend policies don’t work then examples like California. California has one of the highest tax rates in the country and they use these onerous tax rates to fund their very lavish social policies (I could list some of the more assine ones like higher education benefits for illegal immigrants, but what’s the point). What has this yielded the once great state of California? Near bankruptcy and one of the highest flight rates in the country. For the fourth year in a row more residents have left the Golden State then have moved there and they also lead the country in the rate in which people leave. Where are all these people going? States like Texas, Arizona, Nevada, even Tennesse and the Carolinas. The reason these states are seeing very large growth rates is because they all have very low tax rates (or none at all). They also have less restrictive regulations for businesses that make it easier to for businesses to operate there. If I were going to open up a small business (which employs about 70% of all Americans) the last state I would pick would be California. So, I think instinctively we all see (even our liberal friends) that Reaganomics works. The very tenant of conservative tax policy is that if you lower business tax (or personal income tax) you will actually see an increase in the treasury and in tax revenues because more jobs and business is created, thus more taxpayers, thus a higher number of dollars going into the treasury. Indeed, one of the hall-marks of the Bush Administration is that despite the lower taxes, the “rich” have actually paid more in terms of real dollars. Here are some facts of tax revenue from the Bush Adminisitration (all figures taken from the Wall Stree Journal):
- The top 1% of taxpayers (income over $388,806) paid 40% of all income
taxes (highest share in 40 years) - The top 10% (income over $108,904) paid 71% of all income
taxes.
Americans below the median income level paid a record low of 2.9% of all income
taxes
Americans above the median income level paid 97.1% of all income
taxes- The top 1% earned 22% of all reported income, but paid a share of
taxes that is nearly double their share of income.
The news now is that California may even issue I.O.U.s to their tax payers because they can’t afford to send out refund checks. The comptroller of California stating:
“My office has projected that, in approximately 60 days, there will be insufficient cash available to meet all expenditures reflected in the 2008-09 Budget Act,” stated a Tuesday letter from Controller Chiang to the directors of all state agencies. “To ensure that the State can meet its obligations to schools, debt service, and others entitled to payment under the State Constitution, federal law, or court order. California may begin, as early as February 1, 2009, issuing registered warrants…commonly referred to as IOUs…to individuals and entities in lieu of regular payments.”
I wonder what would happen if I decided that I couldn’t afford to pay my taxes and I issued an I.O.U. to the state. I’ll tell you what would happen, at the very least I’d be assessed with penalties and interest, at the extreme I could be convicted of a crime. Does anyone here think California will be issuing penalties or interest payments to their tax payers?
The fact is, eventually some of these states are going to have to figure out what kind of tax policies they want to pursue and revamp their whole system. California has been able to get away with a very liberal agenda for several years now because many people are willing to move there due to the climate and proxmity to the ocean etc., and they are willing to pay a premium in cost of living and higher taxes to do so (indeed I nearly accepted a job offer in San Diego recently but decided to turn it down very relunctantly because I just couldn’t afford to live there, and I’m a lawyer). Michigan has been able to implement their very liberal agenda by literally milking the Big Three out of billions of dollars because the cost to relocate for the auto-makers is too prohibitive, and thus we see that even the Big Three are not immune. I wonder what would happen to the state of Michigan if the auto-makers did go out of business? It would be catasrophic for the state, but they would have no one but themselves to blame.
At some point these states will have have to get back to a more realistic tax-policy and they will have to cut “essential services” (like rebate coupons so that people can get free digital cable boxes, why are we paying for this????). It will be painful, and it won’t happen over night. However, if California wants to recapture its status as one of the largest economies in the world, they are going to have to go back to the roots that built the state, rugged individualism, hard work and conservative values. Until then states like Texas will continue to be the big winners because they get it.
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January 17th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Yes, today, anyone moving to overcrowded california should realize they need approximately 150 percent of what most jobs, even good jobs will offer to pay them. a weird thing happens quickly to those that do move, they soon find its “mandatory” they work 60 hours a week to keep their job, thus increasing their pay as if by magic 50 percent, but then the tax man cometh and take back more than you think. When both spouses have to work such onerous hours they often end up divorced and deep in hock to lawyers, the state, mortgage and auto companies. I don’t know anyone who simply works 40 hours a week and makes enough money to actually move-in to California anymore and maintain their own independent household. The only ones who come close are those that inherited their houses or were helped in some fashion buy that first house long ago and maintained a simple lifestyle. When auto companies run prospective buyers credit reports they have such a chuckle. So the final option is to keep balooning your credit till you hit the wall. In the developed areas of California $100,000 will allow one to live like a graduate student with a decent food budget, and that is all. $140,000 will allow you to lease a premium suv or car and go to vegas twice a year for a few night stay at a casino. Once you start making above $170,000 you can afford a modest middle class household in an iffy area but you won’t be saving much. If you want to live in the upper middle class try above $260k.
January 17th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Yep, I live in St. Louis, and the difference in cost of living was about 100k. Even with a slight adjustment in my salary they were going to give me it wasn’t close to worth it, even though I love Cali.
January 17th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
cali may seem fantastic, but frankly after the honey moon is over it will drain a middle class person over time with its many challenges and costs. Its no longer a place you can just move to and relax. Once you leave the tourist state of mind and become a citizen you will find yourself surrounded by the most stressed out people on earth who unlike new yorkers, never get a chance to relax as the work(and traffic) is never done.
January 17th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
I’ve lived in California since 1995 and know people with incomes ranging from zero to millions per year. Not once have I *EVER* heard anyone in casual conversation complain about paying too much in taxes.
January 17th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Name required - its not normal for people to not complain about taxes. That’s an time honored tradition that’s been passed down through the ages. Surely all the hopechangery isn’t going to require that the American people quit complaining about taxes - especially considering that the government is in the process of taking over every aspect of our lives which will require our taxes to skyrocket. Not to mention keeping the Obama’s living in the style they’ve become accustomed to.
January 17th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Brian - I agree - I see a lot of stressed out ppl in California. There’s no end to the traffic and the costs. They have to work hard to pay for things. Many rent out rooms in their houses just to be able to afford the postage stamp size lot and cookie cutter house that costs half a million dollars. Its obscene.
January 18th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
This is ofcourse, crap. According to IRS close to 90 % of large corporations don’t pay taxes at all or pay very little by siphoning profits to offshore zones. So do the wealthy individuals. Why pick on a poor individual taxpayer working two/three jobs to survive? Why cares where the state tax is low?
January 18th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
The government workers will keep working and keep getting paid. It’s despicable that the state will with hold money from the disabled because they are incapable of mounting a defense. Why not take it out on babies? Instead of taking advantage of and punishing the weak, the state should attack the strong who caused the problem.
http://ewebsmith.com/gov/redress.html
January 18th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
If you did not pay your taxes, the gov’t would try to kill you (ask Ed and Elaine Brown). IOU’s from the Cali, yet another infringement on our rights by the gov’t. Add it to the ever-growing list of violations:
They violate the 1st Amendment by opening mail, caging demonstrators and banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon, Wikipedia and Facebook.
They violate the 2nd Amendment by confiscating guns during Katrina.
They violate the 4th Amendment by conducting warrant-less wiretaps.
They violate the 5th and 6th Amendment by suspending habeas corpus.
They violate the 8th Amendment by torturing at Gitmo.
They violate the entire Constitution by starting illegal wars without declaration.
Impeach them all (both parties) and save this great country.
Last link (unless Google Books caves to the gov’t and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)
January 18th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I am one of those many Californians that left the state…but definitely NOT due to taxes. Higher education is frankly too expensive for a middle class member of society due to high cost of living, not high taxes. For what I was renting when I lived in San Francisco, a one bedroom studio with bathroom and kitchen and big closet, I could probably rent a 3 bedroom apartment in a sh*tty place like Texas or a Carolina. But then I would have to live in a sh*tty place. I certainly hear a lot of people that drive luxury cars b*tch about all the money that California throws away on social programs, but as far as I know, every social program that is important in California from Planned Parenthood to the department of education is terribly UNDERfunded by the government.
Where I now live (Montreal, Canada) has a similar tax rate, and the main reason that it is affordable is because the government here spends a large amount of its budget on education and cost of living is lower due to less demand than California…it’s cold here and some people can’t hang with that.
Overall, perhaps if we had a federal government that didn’t bleed California (and the other 49 states for that matter) dry for revenue to pay for foreign invasions/occupations/bailing out thieves on Wall Street and some state leadership that didn’t cut education funding, I would want to try living in my homeland.
January 18th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Bryan:
Do me favor tell me about why california like this Arnold is a republican.
January 18th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
the Southlander factor cuts both ways. O.C. is a natural progression for some once they cannot stand the squalor and politics of LA any longer. The people that live in LA are very genetically different than the rich of O.C…Malibu is overbuilt and traffic bound,,,Santa Monica is a mauseleum of the unreal… though if you got the big money you can live pretty much anywhere but 90 percent of the place.
January 18th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Why don’t people understand that corporations are people? I guess it’s because someone wants a faceless being to foot the bill. Go after the corporations…. are you all idiots? Where are we if you drive the corporations into the ground? What happens when you depend on a small # of people (or corporations) to pay for everything? If there’s a downturn in economy and people are making less and corporations are shutting their doors… your money is gone, too!
Government gets greedy in good times & thinks that money will always be there, so they make the government bigger and bigger until all the money is spent. Now the money isn’t there, but we can’t cut the spending, people depend on that spending. Of course, they depend on it because we’ve made them dependent.
January 18th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
kathy, yeah enron was ken lay and jeff skilling and oh yes such nice people—look at what they did not only to their own employees, but to california’s electric bills for years—you forget that some of the most aggressive, even sociopathic people run our corps and wallstreet and the big banks and insurance companys and rating agencies and brokerages literally ran the nation into a wall while giving themselves huge pay packages. Now they want even more tarp as credit tightens up again. Yes we are picking on those poor people that even have the nerve to lobby against universal health care and affordable prescriptions. Companys do achieve economys of scale and provide services and jobs too, but then some turks at the top and the top stock and bond holders hijack them to pull up all the profits to themselves. There is a problem in corporate governance and in those people who can get access to huge amounts of leveraged money to devour businesses and sell off the pieces and the jobs for a profit. Government does have a strong tendency to expand and grow, but then it provides many services corporations never will. Government is part of our infrastructure, but yes parts can become bloated and problem children, and yes its basically controlled by a few hundreds of people in washington and the state capitals who keep getting themselves re-elected time and time again and then put their children in there to create dynastys.
January 19th, 2009 at 2:02 am
Californians are unbelievably dishonest. Lying is second nature to them and the only tongue they speak. You could say they are pathalogical liars. Stealing and theiving are their natural habits, natural and comfortable as a cow chewing it’s cud. They are materialistic up the yazhoo and shallower than a puddle in a pair of shoeprints on a cement sidewalk. They trust no one, and friendships are more like easily disposable alliances. It is a profoundly disconnected culture. They have attitude: “I am better than you”; and they take the initiative to let you know it. Hypocrisy never flew so high - one word, “Pelosi”, tells that tale. Hey, but they look good and they are great at PR.
Now, the Californian government is made up of these very kind of people only carried to the worst of extremes of character. Follow this story because it will become much more bizarre.
January 19th, 2009 at 7:26 am
I say we give California back to Mexico.
January 19th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Brian,
The one thing I will agree with is that we should not be giving anyone these bailouts. If you run your corporation like a schmuck, it will die & you won’t receive any more paychecks or bonuses. When we bail these people out, they continue to run their businesses like schmucks.
I think it’s all part of a scary attitude of the people. My corporation is failing, I need the government to help. I pulled all of the equity out of my home for a boob job for my wife and a boat, I need the government to help. I don’t want to pay $300/ month for health insurance, I need the government to help. I’m not putting any money away for retirement, I want the government to help.
These things should not be distributed by the government. The government should be reserved for helping the truly needy, not the selfishly lazy. The widow, the critically ill, the orphaned - those who truly cannot help themselves. When everyone gets in line for help, these are exactly the people who will get left out in the cold.
January 19th, 2009 at 8:27 am
If the state California is going to give IOU’s for tax refunds, then they better pay interest on them. If they do no give the tax payer’s interest, then they better waive any penalties and interest required for people who owe taxes when they file for 2008. The state actually charges compounded interest DAILY! So what is good for the goose is good for the gander. We in California have the most INEPT and WORTHLESS legislature on the planet. The budget was overdue by over 90 days and it is short over 42 billion dollars. Now the people who pay the salaries of these worthless individuals will be made to suffer AGAIN! I hope the citizens of California wake up and vote these political whores in office OUT!! They are bankrupting this state. They have made rotten deals with the unions (teacher’s and prison guard’s)and now we (the state) are broke. IT IS TIME TO LOOSE THESE PEOPLE! Oh by the way, the worthless legislature collected their per diem pay while the crafted this inoperable budget. They now what the state employees to work at least 2 days a month w/out pay. This however, does not apply to them. California needs its own modern day BOSTON TEA PARTY!!!!!!
January 19th, 2009 at 9:42 am
I am in the military and live quite comfortably in California. I’m not an officer or even a high ranking enlisted but an E5. I’m not a liar, or a sociopath, or shallow. These broad terms made by John Town demostrate to me that all he knows of California is the reality shows he sees on tv. I don’t think I am better than anyone and I go out of my way to help strangers, and get the same back. I have never complained about taxes and they never have hurt my wallet. When I pay taxes, I remind myself that I am doing a service to this country. Stop whining all you pansies.
January 19th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
It’s beyond outrageous, isn’t it? You’re exactly right, if you send them an IOU you’re in hot water. I say we cut the pay of all state politicians until they get this resolved. This is the job we elected them to do, and they aren’t getting it done!
Spread the word: lower the amount they withhold and starve them of cash. http://malcontentist.com/2009/01/california-to-stop-issuing-tax-refunds
January 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
I live in Los Angeles, am 32 years old, and make $110,000 a year. I have been able to buy a nice house (I bought in 2008) and I live a comfortable life. I am very happy with California’s tax structure. I would not under any circumstances leave my beloved state and move to a ‘red’ state like Arizona, Texas, etc.
Sure, I can probably buy a much cheaper house in Texas but what am I to do if I want to go to the beach, go skiing, go to the desert, or the mountains? These amenities are currently less than a 2-hour drive from where I live. Why would I want to live in a hell-hole that is hot and humid or cold and icy?
Whether you like it or not, California still leads the US in technological innovation (think Silicon Valley) as well as in percentage of college-educated individuals.
January 26th, 2009 at 7:48 am
When the government raises taxes for corporations, what do you think happens? Do the executives take a pay cut, or do they raise thier prices to cover the costs? They raise prices, obviously! So who pays higher corporate taxes? We do! So, why does everything from food to gas to every other consumer good cost more in California? Could it be higher taxes?!
I fled California last summer after living there 27 years, and I’m thankful that this I.O.U. refund nonsense is the last opportunity they will have to screw with me.
January 27th, 2009 at 10:57 am
The initial rant above is so simplistic that it really does itself a disservice. Obviously, one reason that California is in this mess is because we spend a lot on various programs, not all of them I would consider smart or effective, but we all have can agree to disagree about those and elect those officials we think best support our interests.
BUT, without understanding the role that Prop 13 plays in limiting property taxes (and causing wild swings in CA funding), the above isn’t worth reading.
And, like the comments above, though I have lived in other places, I grew up in LA (hate it), live in SF (love it), and dont want to ever leave. Rather live a s***** life here - enjoy your 3 bedroom home in Houston. Sounds like a great time.
January 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Well, Dick Hessler, great for you. I am a freelance software engineer, and everyone I know in the business is planning an escape from California, so that Silicon Valley thing is fast fleeing. I moved here for that in 96 but now, there is no point, we can live anywhere because of tech, duh. For the tax savings, we can easily fly to the beach if that’s so important every weekend of the month.
January 28th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Wow interesting to hear everyone talk so much crap about Cali. I’ve lived in Cali my whole life! I live in Sacramento now and I love it. My father was a Correctional Officer and made under the 200k that you guys are saying is what is needed to live comfortably in Cali and we did great we have a nice house, nice cars, my mom is a stay at home mom and always has been and we live in a pretty good area. Cali is great I would never live anywhere else. Yeah so they are going to issue IOU’s which im not to pleased about but then again economic times are pretty bad all over right now. Cali will get back on their feet. I’ll never move from Cali I love it here!