The beloved Venezuelan president has taken a hard line stance against Israel’s use of force in Gaza. He is so upset, he even expelled the Israeli Ambassador from his country. He is calling on all Venezuelan Jews to denounce these “barbarous acts.? Read more, see photos and a video below.
Here is the quote:
“A Palestinian community lives here with us which we adore and love and there are also Jews that live here who we love as well, but I wish the Jewish community would declare themselves against this barbarism. Do it. Don’t you strongly denounce any act of persecution and the Holocaust? What do you think we are looking at [in Gaza]? Put your hand on your heart and be fair.”
Chavez has also suggested that the prime minister of Israel, along with the president of the United States, should be brought before an international court.
This will all make an exciting addition to Oliver Stones new documentary about Hugo Chavez. Yet, with drastically falling oil prices, the Venezuelan presidente may find himself irrelevant once again.
Really Mr. Chavez, I hope you realize that the rest of the world sees you as a fool. My favorite moment was when King Juan Carlos of Spain told you to shut up!, in front of the whole world (see youtube). Why? Because it needed to be said by someone. There is a constant flow of crap coming from your mouth.
Photos: WENN
January 7th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Justin McAffee - YOU are the fool and idiot who is brainwashed by your master Bush in the White House.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:15 am
Well, let’s invade and knock him off. We can do that now, right? We don’t like a dictator, or whoever, just invade their country and get rid of them.
Or waste him like Pat Robertson (the great Christian) suggested. What was that commandment? Thou shalt not assasinate, or something like that?
Seriously though, folks, you don’t like this guy, well, you’ve had eight years to do something about it. Whose blame is it he’s still a thorn in our side? Obama’s! That’s who! Clinton! Obama ain’t even president yet, and Clinton’s been out of office for eight years, but yet, it’s all their fault.
I for one do not intend to ever let you forget the legacy of Pres. Bush. And as the years go by it will get sourer and sourer. You just wait and see.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:51 am
Same comment as Nadeem…
January 7th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Ed.
I have a better idea.
Why doesnt Chavez just take in whatever Palestinians are left when Israel gets done with them ?
At least they’ll have a place to live where those barbaric Jews wont come after tham after breaking cease fire after cease fire and sending in juvenile suicide bombers.
The Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, none of their own people even want them and I can only imagine that Chavez would be a step up for them. Even though he does seem to operate much like Hamas with the whole lying, stealing and murdering thing.
And you really ought to make up your mind before you open your incomprehensible yap.
Should we take out Chavez or not ?
First you sarcastically say we should take him out as if hes half the threat Saddam was.
Then you go on to say we should because we cant blame Bambi or Bubba.
I think if you moved some of the BDS out of your head you’d have room for other thought.
Maybe not.
Nadeem, Mohamed.
Is there any way for you to embelish upon your blabbering so we could get a better picture of exactly what you’re trying to say ?
From what I’ve heard I get the immpression that you’re supporting a bunch of lying thieving chickens*t terrorists ?
If anyone is brainwashed its the 60% to 70% that voted in Hamas.
Of course, the way you guys run things we’ll never know exactly what the numbers truly were.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Ed
Go to the page on adolf merkle.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Ed, this may be hard to understand for a person like yourself who would have been in the H*tler Youth, but I say yes, waste him. The price that humanity pays for some dictators is simply too high. Or do you believe the life of Chavez has infinite value?
January 7th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Nadeem and Mohamed:
It is not only Bush. U.S. policy has favored Israel over Hamas and any other terrorist organization for over 50 years. Why? Because Israel is trying to live peaceably, but aren’t allowed to because Palestinian terror groups won’t allow them to.
You defend them, when they are the aggressors. Who is the fool?
January 7th, 2009 at 9:53 am
I dont think Chavez would last 5 minutes with Hamas.
Chavez is a christian who thinks Bush is satan so thats one big point against him in the eyes of any radical muslim group.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Justin, what kind of absurd arguments you are using. You are either completely brainwashed by fox news or you really know nothing about the issue. First of all stop using terrorist word here and there, you really need to distinguish between organizations who fight freedom and dignity and so called terrorist groups. Stop this easy argument because it is not funny anymore. That is what Bush/Sharon/Blair etc used to call their enemies as simple as that. so grow up and try to give a little sense to the whole thing.
Yes Isreal is trying to leave peacefully!!!! hahahaha by rejecting UN resolutions, bombarding and invading its neighbours (look at Lebanon) imposing economic embargos on Gaza, Builiding illegal settlements, killing children and women …. Isreal stole Palestinian land and kicked people out of their homes, schools and hospitals. This is what you call aggression. Anything that happen afterwards is not aggression but resistance. Grow up you little idiot
January 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Richard:
Your use of the English language demostrates your lack of maturity. Nonetheless….
I don’t listen to Fox News or Bush, or any such secondary source. I am a student of history and comparative politics. Israel was established, whether you like it or not. That was a different time. But now, we have what we have. And by the way, the Jews were there much longer before the Palestinians.
The option of removing the Jews from Palestine is not an option. However, Hamas will never accept Israel’s existence.
YOU TELL ME SMARTY, WHAT IS ISRAEL SUPPOSED TO DO? WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU HAPPY??? No matter what they do, they will always be attacked by Hamas. The UN sticking their heads in the mess with resolutions is B.S. And yes, Hamas is a terrorist organization because they are the ones who will not accept peace. They are the ones bombing buses with innocent people on them. They will never accept Israel.
What if I started “resisting” (your words) Mexican immigration into this country like Hamas resists Israelis? What if I went around to Mexican neighborhoods and started bombing innocent civilians? That would be terrorism. It’s plain for anyone to see.
Richard, you better get that shirt with the window in it, so when you have your head up your butt, you can see where your going.
January 7th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Richard.
Justin pretty much said it all.
Actually theres more that you need to learn and he could of corrected you on, but I think he was just being sympathetic to your condition by not going there.
Anyway, since Justin did let you know that its you who are the idiot my reason for posting was only to reinforce that fact.
January 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Yes, there is so much that could be said. If you look at the history, it is not like Jews came to Palestine and started killing Palestinians. They immigrated there. A lot did, especially after WWII. Palestinians became hostile because they didn’t want the Jews there, end of story. Israel simply has had to react to the hostility.
January 7th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
if the palestinians disarmed tomorrow, peace would start tomorrow …
if israel disarmed tomorrow, the Jewish people in israel would be all dead tomorrow
January 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Justin, you are a student in history so when you post you should be a bit more objective. You are showing a bias that makes me think that you are not a neutral here. Anyway, I will respond to your answer although I am sure that you will remain stubborn and read only what you want to read.
True, we do have what we have, an Isreal state but also Palestinian population and as far as I am concerned all of them have the right to live in peace. Jews have been in the region for thousands of years and you need to know that they were living side by side with the arabs without any problems for hundreds of years.
Your problem seems to be Hamas. It is my problem too when an organization kills innocent people in buses etc. but I will have a bigger concern if it is a state which kills kids in schools and in their homes. Forget the BS that this is allowed because it is war, it is not right. A kid is a kid and did nothing wrong whether he is jewish or muslim or whatever. But everyday we are seeing hundreds of them being killed by Israel.
What is Isreal supposed to do? their problem is Hamas, so go and kill Hamas activists, go hunt them and kill them one after the other. Isreal did that in the past and I think that is legitimate defense. They kill people who threaten them not innocent people. What is happening now is mass murder and this is quite bad if you condone that.
I am sure Isreal has the ability to hunt the gunmen down rather than drop bombs. I hope you understand that killing civilians is not right especially in these circumstances because this is not even a war, Palestinians don’t even have an army.
Your argument who was there before is irrelevant really I am not even to respond to that.
And your example on Mexicans is also quite far from the reality in the middle east I am quite astonished that you are making that comparison.
Now think about someone who comes and drags out of your house (saying he lived there before you) . What would be your reaction??? Maybe you won’t kill him but at least you try to get your house back.
Look. the whole world is seeing Israeli atrocities. Suicide bombing is a crime, Israeli latest actions are also a crime and all that should be punished. But you will never see that because you are either very biased or you think that an Israeli soul is worth something but a palestinian one is not.
January 7th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
lisab, if the palestinians disarm tomorrow, it won’t be peace but surrender. 2 very different concepts if you think about it. They will never have a state, a future, a dignity….
If Isreal disarms tomorrow, it will still be protected by international laws and anyone who attacks it will be subject to International community reaction. Think about Koweit in 1991.
This whole idea of Jews being constantly threatened by muslims is wrong. I don’t recall in history a case of mass jewish murder by muslims. This is what some Jewish people do not get (or pretend to) Jews lived in Iran, Iraq, North Africa, Palestine… with no problems for centuries,
January 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Richard:
Much of what you say is true. Your first comments seemed much more one sided, so I was mearly reacting to that.
In fact, Jews live peacefully in Iran and in much of the middle east TODAY. So it isn’t just a Muslim versus Jew thing, you correctly state.
I must admit that Israel may, at times, be rash. I am humble enough to admit that I just do not know if all of their policies toward the Palestinians are the best. They should try their hardest not to kill innocent children and such.
However, Hamas uses the same shenanigans that Hussein used, namely shooting rockets from places where children are, that way the Israelis look like the bad guy when they shoot back.
It is hard for me to say what is best, but I place a great deal of sympathy to the Israelis because of what they have to deal with.
The Palestinians have a state. If they dealt with Israel with real dignity, and rooted out all terrorism, then they would command the respect of the international community. Then Israel would be the bad guy if they continued building settlements where they have agreed not to (something I find troubling). But as long as the Palestinian government doesn’t honor their commitements, I don’t feel bad for them when Israel doesn’t. Sorry.
See my friend, I am not stubborn as you say. We can have a discussion about this.
January 8th, 2009 at 4:39 am
Justin,
Thank you for your answer, it makes much more sense now. We can surely discuss this without getting too excited about it!
You are clearly sympathetic to Israel and there absolutely no problem with that. The issue is that many of your statements seem to be influenced by what the US media say to you. I am in the UK so probably I receive a slightly different version of news than you and thus I have a different opinion.
anyway my friend, if you can take anything out of this (and so do I) is a challenge to what you hear. For example:
1- Is killing 700+ people in less than 2 weeks can be just considered ‘rash’. Aren’t there different ways to reach your targets. Isreal really have no choice? They have to kill so many people?? Is killing now something that human beings can tolerate now so easily? That applies to all killers by the way except legitimate defense.
2- Do you really think that Hamas or any other group is happy when their own children are dead so that they can use the argument is used in propoaganda wars? Are they really so cruel. Aren’t they human beings after all who care after they children. Isn’t this an argument that is very skewed towards Isreal and is pure fabrication of media and military propaganda.
Seriously, if you believe this with no doubts then this means that media in the US made a terrific job.
3- This sentence is great: “It is hard for me to say what is best, but I place a great deal of sympathy to the Israelis because of what they have to deal with.” I think you can find billions in the world who would write the same sentence but they will just replace Isreal by Palestinians. It is so emotional that you go away from objectivity so fast and so easily.
4- Your last paragraph is the really constructive bit, yes palestinians have screwed it up many times internally, they seem to be brainless when it comes to politics. The problem is none of their commanders has ever had vision and they are paying the price for this heavily. I have no symapthy to Hamas nor PLO or anything because of that. But I have a great deal of sympathy to the palestinian population and I hope they get their rights back and at the moment the only ones fighting for that are Hamas (with all the clumsiness and stupidity and lack of means) that’s why I call them resistance. In an ideal world, the international forces, especially the US, should solve this. so come on go and kick Obama in the butt to do something about it.
regards
January 8th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Richard.
I for one am not as forgiving as some others you’ve spoken to on this issue.
Lets flush your BS turd by turd , shall we ?
“Jews have been in the region for thousands of years and you need to know that they were living side by side with the arabs without any problems for hundreds of years.”
Yes, but not until after WW2 did allied powers and the UN legally gave the Israelis their place to live and their legal refuge did the Palestinian movement originate and begin to attack the Jews and claim that they wanted back what was never theirs to start with. The Palestinians homelands consist of many regions surrounding Israel, but were never part of Israel itself.
Since then, the Palestinians have been an invented people whos whole purpose has been for nothing other than to eliminate Israel, they have become a genocidal society.
“Your problem seems to be Hamas. It is my problem too when an organization kills innocent people in buses etc. but I will have a bigger concern if it is a state which kills kids in schools and in their homes.”
What a bunch of sh*t. You have your nerve to accuse Justin of bias and then you go and ramble off a line of crap like that.
First of all, Hamas has bombed innocent Jewish children in schools and their homes also. They are a state “also” in the sense that they receive funding from the largest “STATE” sponsor of terror that there is, that would be Iran !
Not only that, its the Palestinians who have strapped bombs to their own children and also used them as shields and also disregarded fliers dropped by Israel warning of impending attacks.
So pleeeease dont give me this bleeding heart crap that Hamas and Plaestinians care so much about kids. Hamas and Palestinians go as far as to use them as weapons !
Second of all, in addition to Hezbolla, long before there was Hamas there was the PLO which was chaired by Yasser Arafat. Their purpose and methods were and are much the same except in the movements youth the PLO did not have the funds or the weaponry we see Hamas with today. As of today the PLO has become the richest terror organization around , funneling much of its money into projects whos interest is only to destroy Israel. They may have been the first to reckognize Israel as a state but that still did not stop them from attacking.
Today the PLO still exists with a new leader since Arafats death, that would be Mahmoud Abbas. Same gang, different leader, new face, same evil and also a problem in addition to Hamas.
Hamas and what I mentioned above is not the only problem the Jews have. More than anything it would be Iran (and being surrounded by hostile Arab nations).
Without Iran Hamas would not exist. Iran and Hamas have the same goals and that would be too eliminate Israel.
Both have sworn to do so. If we took out Iran tommorow we would be cutting the head of the serphant that has financed and instigated much of the hatred we see towards Jews in the Arab community today. Israel needs to deal with Iran before they obtain nuclear power. This is why its so important that Hamas and any proxy powers Iran invests in be eliminated.
Hamas is just another radical muslim movement like Al Queda and others all spawned of the “Muslim Brotherhood” that wishs to kill anything that is not Muslim. Americans, Jews, you name it, it doesnt matter as long as they are not Muslim they want it dead. Hamas like many other radical Muslim groups has sworn to move westward after eliminating Israel and continue its murdering agenda in America and all things that would be western. That is why they must be stopped now and that is why America has Israel as its #1 ally in the GWOT in the middle east.
Thirdly.
Itis the Palestinian people who voted for Hamas that are just as guilty as Hamas. They had a choice between the Palestinian Authority and Hamas. They chose Hamas because of its radical agenda to rid the world of Jews and because they had the funds that the PA did not have to improve infrastructure by building schools, hospitals, provide jobs etc… funds, all of which were actually coming from Iran.
The election was bought and paid for. 70 % of the Palestinians who voted for Hamas knew exactly what they were doing so I dont want to here this bullsh*t anymore how freaking innocent the Palestinians are and its only Hamas that is the problem. Palestinians had a choice, they hate Jews as much as Hamas,they made their bed (or coffin), and now they must lay in it.
They voted Hamas in to power knowing that them and Hamas had the same goal of killing Jews and the pay off for Palestinians was an improved economy etc…
But, Hamas screwed the Palestinians and only intended Gaza to be a launching pad for their missles and they have not come thru on any of their promises to the Palestinians. That is no ones fault but the Palestinians.
“the Forget the BS that this is allowed because it is war, it is not right. A kid is a kid and did nothing wrong whether he is Jewish or Muslim or whatever.”
No one is saying its allowed except for the Palestinians and Hamas when they use children as weapons.
Jews do not place their kids in front of incoming missiles, or send them across the border as suicide bombers, or take food from them to pay for weapons.
Get it right !!!! and stop this bullsh*t that Jews intentionally kill children.
If some man where pointing a gun at my child and using his own child as a shield to prevent me from stopping him, in order to save my child I will kill both of them !
WOULDNT YOU RICHARD ????
They are only trying to stop the bombs that kill their own children but when they return fire Palestinians put their kids in the way as shields or deterrents. On the other hand its the Palestinians and Hamas who launch bombs that have no means of targeting anything accurately and they do not care where that bomb lands, whether it kills kids or not. That is why there is no need for a bomb that has accurate targeting.
Do the Palestinians and hams treat the wounded enemy ? Do they send aid, food, and medical supplies into Israel ? Do they warn civilians of an impending attack ?
Absolutely not !!!!
Now, WHO IS THE MURDERER ???
“But everyday we are seeing hundreds of them being killed by Israel.”
No, they are being killed because the monsters wont get them out of the way but instead put them in the way by placing them in and around viable targets such as weapons warehouses/factories and outposts
“What is Isreal supposed to do? their problem is Hamas, so go and kill Hamas activists, go hunt them and kill them one after the other.”
I answered to this crap up above.
Israel needs to take out the 70% of the Palestinians that want terror groups running their people along with Iran who funds the whole operation.
“Isreal did that in the past and I think that is legitimate defense. They kill people who threaten them not innocent people.”
Israel has been tolerant in the past. But this tolerance is what has allowed the movement to return time after time. Many of Hamas are blended into Palestinian society making it difficult to weed them out.
Israel has only done before what it needed to do to bring the attacks to a manageable level. Enough is enough !!!
“What is happening now is mass murder and this is quite bad if you condone that.”
No, murder is with intention. Israel is defending itself from murderers.
LEARN THE DIFFERENCE!!!!
“I am sure Isreal has the ability to hunt the gunmen down rather than drop bombs.”
That’s what they are doing, they hunt down the bad guy but when they cant get to them because of other bad guys they bomb them.
Simple enough ????
“Palestinians don’t even have an army.”
OH REALLY ???
How can you say such an ignorant thing ? (don’t answer that)
What the hell do you call Hamas ? Have you not seen the thousands of troops marching the streets showing off their arms all saluting like n*zis ???
“Your argument who was there before is irrelevant really I am not even to respond to that.”
How convenient that you call it irrelevant and don’t want to respond to it.
Its also bullsh*t.
Order of existence and statehood is almost exactly what this is all about. It is one of the most relevant topics their is in this war. Which is why the Jews are fighting for their right to what has always been theirs !!
Palestinians are an invented people made up of Arabs from surrounding Arab states whom all have the same thing in common which is to kill Jews. Only after the Jews were granted their home did the Palestinians gather from surrounding states to make who they are today.
“And your example on Mexicans is also quite far from the reality in the middle east I am quite astonished that you are making that comparison.”
Common sense would astonish an idiot like you.
Actually its the best analogy/comparison there is if you want to show a parallel that draws out how the Jews/Israelis are justified in defending themselves.
Mexico would be defeated long ago had they tried such a thing with us. Since much of Mexico today still believes that what is ours is there’s the comparison of them attacking us is perfect.
“Now think about someone who comes and drags out of your house (saying he lived there before you) . What would be your reaction???”
Actually the Israelis could claim ownership to Gaza if they wanted to.
There are no ‘occupied’ territories. There are DISPUTED territories. Israel owns the land that it won in the 1967 War. They are building houses on their own land. This bothers some Palestinians whose only claim is that they try to steal it and reproduce like roaches.
If Israel owned the land then they should claim it as their’s. Israel won’t claim the land because they don’t want it as part of their national territory because then the Palestinians would become a real competitive political bloc in the Parliament. If Israel is to be a democracy, and they “owned? the West Bank and Gaza, then Israel would have to accept another 4 million Palestinians into their society. Did you know that 3 out of 4 Israeli Arabs say they would rather live in Israel than anywhere else in the world ? Citizenship for all the people’s of the Occupied Territories, would probably go a long way toward ending the violence. It would also bring to an end the problem of settlements. But the only reason Israel does NOT own the Occupied Territories because it claims NO ownership because it does not want the risk of one day Palestinians being a majority of that country.
” Israeli latest actions are also a crime and all that should be punished.”
Once again, they are only defending themselves.
” But you will never see that because you are either very biased or you think that an Israeli soul is worth something but a Palestinian one is not.”
Palestinians are a genocidal people who’s purpose is to kill Jews. They worship death as a means to glorification.
Jews worship life and the pursuit of happiness.
The Palestinians have screwed themselves. They should of stayed put in 1948 and not take up arms against the Jews in support of the Arab communities rejection to the Jews being given Israel.
Now that this has been going on for 60 years the Palestinians are not welcome back in their states of origin, nobody wants them, no one wants to be connected to them for fears of the reaction from the international community and surrounding Arab states. This is why they cannot be disbanded.
They are stuck where they are at with no choice but to elect into power organizations that will use means of terror in order to get the Palestinians a home. They have no trade, no commodity to offer the world market.
The only way the Palestinians can survive is to try and kick an innocent people, the Israelis, out of a home that is rightfully theirs.
Should they be given Gaza, or be allowed to assimilate into Israeli society ?
Absolutely not !!!
The problem is the deep seeded hate for Jews that is a learned behavior and handed down to generations in Palestinian families.
Ten years from now a ten year old Palestinian boy will of had instruction on how evil and rotten the Jews are from his parents and peers. His parents will of taken advantage of anything Israel offers for there own benefit but will still have lingering resentments and prejudice towards Jews that has been ingrained in them for decades, and will reflect that upon their children.
This is why I’ve brought up in other debates the example of how long it took before Americans/whites even began to give the black man break.
Even after civil rights movements and laws of equality were passed the black man was still subjected to hate and racism.
Some also say that if these Palestinians had some hope or means to live above substandard lives they would lose their bigoted tendencies.
B. S. This is just saying that if they receive payment they’ll stop terrorizing you. Its extortion.
In today’s world there are just as many people who are well off and have great financial means that are just as bigoted and racist as those in poverty.
The idea of letting Palestinians have Gaza or assimilate into Israel is very nobel but Israel would just be setting itself up for more of the same except this time it would be worse as the trouble would grow within and be coming directly from within the community making it even more difficult to weed out and deal with should any uprising begin.
Radical Islam has a well documented habit of permeating societies and being very patient until it finally decides to strike.
Europe would be another example of how the movement works.
They migrate, obtain citizenship but claim no loyalty to the country they became a citizen of and instead impose their culture and beliefs upon that society or blend in and pretend to be a part of that society all the while planning an attack.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Richard - You are forgetting that for the Palestinians HONOR outweights anything else. For them it is an honor to have a ‘marthyr’ in their family. Don’t you remember that even one of the Hamas’ leaders used his own son as a suicide bomber? They believe that they were sent by Allah to do that, and that they are going to be rewarded with mistresses in the afterlife if they die in the Jihad. So, the short answer is: Yes, they are willing to sacrifice their own for their goals.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Look at these sources. I have two AP sources which indicate that Palestinians have witnessed Hamas fighters purposefully wearing civilian clothes, and firing rockets next to heavily populated areas.
http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=9626228
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/jan/07/ground-war-in-gaza-drives-up-civilian-casualties/
I heard that Rachel Madow (who I think is a C*nt with a capital C.) said that Israel is using disproportional force. My question is, what else are they supposed to do? Just let these Hamas cowards continue to launch rockets, and then run away and never get caught? They get no cooperation from the Palestinians. They cannot run a criminal investigation. It is war. I sympathize with the civilians, but they don’t do much to fight against the terrorism, so they get what they get. Plus they voted for Hamas.
The blame for civilian deaths is a blame game for sure. On one side, Hamas is to blame for using human shields. On the other, Israel is to blame for ignoring the human shields. But in my book, there is little (if not zero) alternative for Israel.
By the way, it is Israel. El meaning God, Isra meaning possibly preserves. So “god preserves.” Just etymology, not my political argument.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:33 am
America Bad. (until Jan 20 at Noon)
Hamas Good.
America Evil. (until Jan 20 at Noon)
Chavez Very Good.
Why can’t you liberal recognize evil when you see it?
You hate Bush so much that you defend Hama, Chavez, Saddam Hussein, and on and on.
Freedom is what they hate. They don’t care about your politics. they hate for anyone to have freedom. And when you defend them against any sitting President, you are no better then the are. And you stand for the same things. You should be ashamed. Criticizing our president is a right only we have. We should never allow the leader of any country to do that.
And having Obama will not change our standing in the world. They still hate us for freedom. Pull you head out of your butt and wake up.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:34 am
“Disproportionate force” is a bogus argument.
At one point last week Israel had lost 6 people, and the defective Arabs in Gaza had lost 375. That means that for every Jew killed, 62.5 Palestinians were allowed to obtain their dreams of martyrdom and go have their virgins
There are one billion Arab Muslims, most of whom support the Palestinians and Hamas. There are only 14 million Jews.
By those calculations, the 6 Jewish lives are worth 415,000 Palestinians. If a 7th Jew is murdered then the Palestinians should lose half of one million.
not to mention that the proportions would not be what they are if the Palestinians would get the hell out of the way and stop letting Hamas put them in Harms way.
The Palestinians tolerate these methods for two reasons.
1) They are afraid to speak out against these methods. Some are innocent and want no part of this. Some actually want to eliminate Israel much as Hamas does but want different techniques employed.
2) They know exactly what Hamas is doing, cooperate with and approve of these methods but when questioned in public cry out against Israel as the blame.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:39 am
no Richard, if Israel disarmed they would be dead tomorrow. if palistinians disarmed tomorrow there would be no more violence.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:39 am
George, because “Evil” is subjective depending on ones perspective.
Chavez and radical islam are “freedom fighters” and who are we to decide that their visions and means are evil ?
January 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Micky,
It is for most people. But in America, Evil is Bush and Republicans and Conservative. Good is Obama, Democrats and Liberals. They are so poisoned in their own minds, they don’t understand what is truly evil.
Last night I watched Air Force One again, and the whole reason they took the President hostage was because and the terrorist said, “We hate you because we hate freedom.” This was pre-911. Why can’t these people understand that? They think if we just sit down and have a cup of coffee and talk, they will like us. Really like us.
I volunteer Ed, Brian, Nadeem and the others to offer up coffee and a meeting. Let us know how that works.
When you have cancer in your body, you have to destroy it and some healthy parts to defeat it. Acting as if you just want to get along with the cancer will kill you.
There is evil in this world. And there is good. If you are not able to tell the difference, please stay out of the fight.