Our liberal fellows are up to their old tricks, this time in the State of Washington. Members of the Freedom From Religion Foundation have “won” the right to put a very large placard next to a nativity scene in the State’s Capital building. They claim they have a “right” to do this as part of the freedom of religion. In part, the sign reads, “There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds.” Happy Holidays!
This claim to include diverse religious displays derives from Supreme Court language that states that government may display signs of the Nativity, but not to the seclusion of other religions. So, if they are going to display the nativity, then, if requested, government must also have a menorah or other religious symbols of the season. The only problem here is that this group is an atheist group that believes in no religion. They are not supporting any celebration of the season (although they try to disguise this with some reference to the Winter Solstace) but they are explicitly making a statement how they think religion is a foolish thing, they are not trying in any way to celebrate the season. In fact, the president of this group has explicitly said so, stating, “It’s not a religious display, it is an attack on religion,â€? the President of the Freedom from Religion Foundation, Dan Barker said. No kidding.
Well, if you are not outraged yet, here comes the follow up. This idiot Barker states in the video below that the nativity scene represents “hate speech” and is a direct attack on human values. He also calls the baby Jesus a dictator. Watch the video below.
I have to wonder, has this guy ever even read the Bible? If not, I might recommend you to any of the 4 gospels that quote the “beatitudes”. Christ’s sermon on the mount is one of the most stirring reminders of what it means to be a Christian and a reminder to us all what this season is all about. Turn the other cheek, love thy neighbor, don’t covet what others have, give of your possessions and “do unto others” don’t seem like the teachings of a dictator and the ramblings of hate speech. Mr. Barker, these are the true human values. You sir, are a sad little man who is ignorant about religion. Your dogma (ironic huh) blinds you to what it is that most Christians really believe. If you don’t want to believe in Christ, fine, but I’m not sure what motivates you to cast aspersions on what good people believe in.









December 5th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Well he is just going to bust hell wide open.
You are right about him not having not read the bible. We are to fear God not be afraid of him. Fearing God is showing our love and gratitude to him for sending his son, Jesus Christ, to die in our place for our sins.
If that represents hate, then butter my butt and call me a biscuit.
Washington State is very backwards. I say we give it back to Spain.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:30 am
First Amendment – Religion and Expression:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Case closed.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Like George said: “Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bull@’%^ story. Holy S@&*: “
December 5th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Dan Barker is an ex-minister and knows the Bible far better than most people of any religious stripe. If you’re interested in what motivates the Freedom From Religion Foundation, I recommend their podcast:
http://ffrf.org/radio/
December 5th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Yup, they “won” the right to speech. You moron. We all won the right to speech and protection from others beliefs in the constitution. Remember that little article? The fact that Christians have the right to a nativity display in public means that atheist share that same right to object it. Remember freedom. If you want the right to religious views and displays you have to allow others the right to their own views and beliefs.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Well I was a Fundagelical Christian for about 18 years. I was a deacon in my church. I was wholly committed.
I got better.
And what atheists think about what religion teaches is RIGHT ON the money. I’ve been there, so you can’t pull the cassock over my eyes. Religion is an anachronism, and until we deal with it as a species it will hold us back as a species.
Evolve!
December 5th, 2008 at 11:49 am
I think you mean “aspersions,” not “dispersions.”
Oh, and, yes, putting up that sign is a douche thing to do.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:50 am
First and foremost, if it bothers you so much, then maybe you have some personal issues with your own beliefs. If you are strong in your religious foundation, then things like this would not bother you in the slightest. You would ignore it just like how you ignore the other world religions in favor of your own.
I find it funny you reference the new testament, and claim christianity is good when other books in the bible encourage hate and violence. Read leviticus in full instead of just focusing on the homosexuality part. There’s a lot of mean and hateful things in there.
Maybe try the Malleus Maleficarum, too?
You write columns, unless you consider this completely biased, opinionated piece journalism. Reading this reminds me of trolls on myspace blogs. Either way, the least you could do is learn the rules of grammar. Sentences are not supposed to end in prepositions.
December 5th, 2008 at 11:52 am
This is just HATE in it’s purest form. Symbols of the holidays and winter celebrations are all about love and happiness, not HATE. They are allowed their views and the right to express them however, just how inappropriate to use HATE during this time of the year or at all. Atheists are the HATERS, not Christians. And in some states HATERS (at least their speech) are illegal.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Is it really “anti religion” to say that religion is “myth” and “superstition”? What exactly is religion if not myth and superstition?
December 5th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
I think its amusing that some Christians get so upset over seeing signs like this, and I find it even more amusing that the atheists have to go so far as to invent such an organization that frees us from the tyranny and oppression of religion. Absolutely hilarious!!!!!
I don’t attend church but I have read the Bible, and it teaches alot of good things.
Its funny to me because I have never had religion forced upon me as SO MANY HAVE, nor do I know any atheists who’re so oppressed by God that their livelihoods are AT STAKE.
Jenn, Leviticus is from the Old Testament. Most Christians don’t adhere to its ‘laws’, otherwise this world would be even crazier than it already is. It is little more than an account of ancient laws that no longer exist. Ohh, and if you’re going to slam someone’s grammar as ‘inferior’, please refrain from using internet lingo/slang to state your point. It damages your case. And about the Malleus Maleficarum, it was written in 1486 by inquisitors of the Catholic Church (read, modern christians abhore the Inquisition).. What on earth does that have to do with the State of Washington, or your claims, or Nativity, or anything pertinent to modern society?
Sure the atheists have the right to say what they want! But by implying that religion is superstition (and by proxy that religious people are dumb) to me seems very childish, and it certainly shoots down the messenger.
Written by an agnostic who doesn’t know what to believe anymore.. Can’t we all just get along? Just for this month?
December 5th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
It’s a fact for the believers, just like evolution to the non-believers. But more importantly, its HATE speech against a symbol of love and joy. Hasn’t HATE dominated our world enough, isn’t time to just stop HATING period?
December 5th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Except for Chris, the rest of you don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
It is like you walked in in the middle of a movie and just assumed the parts you didn’t hear or see. And then pulled in things from another movie.
We have freedom of religion and freedom from religion. The choice is yours.
The truth is the truth whether you, accept it, believe it, like it or hate it.
December 5th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
“… to cast dispersions…” ?!!!
wow, and you call Barker an ‘idiot’ and wonder if he has read the Bible?
Maybe you should buy yourself a dictionary and open it up
once in a while.
ps. the pope was a n*zi… was he infallible then too?
wow.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Joe,
We really should not be in your presents. Since you have never misspelled any words. Are you some kind of god?
I don’t see where Byran called anyone an idiot. Are you a mind-reader? Cause if you are, you are not very good at it.
I bet your grandmother is proud that you are perfect.
I feel the love from you man.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
“Dan Barker is an ex-minister and knows the Bible far better than most people of any religious stripe. If you’re interested in what motivates the Freedom From Religion Foundation, I recommend their podcast:”
To bad the term is actually “freedom of religion”
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Joe 40 ouncer.
Stop lying.
Neither Ratzinger nor any member of his immediate family joined the Nazi Party. Ratzinger’s dad hated the Nazi governmen, as a result the family moved four times before he was ten years old.
Ratzinger joined the Hitler Youth in 1941, it became compulsory for all German boys. Millions of Germans were in the same position similar to that of Ratzinger and his family simply out of fear.
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As for the rest of you morons who think you’re just a freak accident of the cosmos its a shame that you dont give yourselves and mankind a little more credit by at least acknowledging purpose.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Justin, I hear Leviticus cited all the time by Christians when condemning homosexuality, and the ten commandments are from the old testament. Jenn’s suggestion isn’t off the mark.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Being agnostic (leaning towards atheist, you cannot prove or disprove the existence of any god) myself, I find this sign distasteful. I would rather show that atheists go against the common stereotype of being hateful, spiteful people. If Barker is claiming this in response to hate speech, the proper response is not to respond with more hate speech. I feel this does a disservice to the atheist community in general and just helps propagate a negative stereotype. Also allows for these rather hypocritical rants.
I do like the sign “Why believe in God? Do good for goodness’ sake”. That’s the type of message we should be spreading instead. We can be good without the fear of eternal damnation or whatever hanging over our heads.
December 5th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Why is it the libs are the first to go right to the grammar/spelling card on every blog I visit? Its very easy for anonymous people to criticize spelling and grammar. With that said, I didn’t edit my post and missed that one word, I’ve probably written 500 posts on this site and I mis-used one word. Of course, when I graduated from law school this was the reason I hired a secretary, so I wouldn’t have to worry about minor details like that.
The point is, what do you think about a state government posting anti-religious propaganda during Christmas? Clearly some of you have no problems and that is fine. Despite what many of you think, this is not a 1st Amendment issue really, its a judgment issue. The SC has already ruled its not a violation of the Establishment Clause to put up a nativity scene or a Christmas tree (which is actually a secular, non-religious symbol). The question is, should a governor put up a sign that is insulting to the very religions that these other symbols (e.g. nativity scene or menorah) are trying to celebrate. I think it is very insulting and ridiculous.
George, thanks for defending me, but to be fair, I did call this Barker guy an idiot. Referring to Christianity as hate speech and calling Jesus a dictator is idiotic. With that said, I probably am an idiot
I’m certainly no perfect Christian, still have a lot to do to live up to some of the beatitudes.
December 5th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Ert and Jenn, I would just say that just because some people are judgmental and condemning (of homosexuality in particular) doesn’t mean all Christians are. In fact, most are not if they truly believe in Christ’s teachings. I think one of His most fundamental teachings is “judge not lest ye be judged.” If you are hateful towards any group, whether they be homosexual, black or whatever, you are violating that prime directive (h/t Star Trek).
Jack, its interesting, I saw that sign in NYC about being good for “goodness sake”. I think the sentiment is a good one, and I don’t have any problem with it per se. My main point is that this is still overwhelmingly a Judeo/Christian country (85% or something) and this time of the year is the most important time for many of us. To have this kind of crap thrown at us is insulting.
I notice that none of these groups have signs like this during Ramadan or Islamic religious holidays, I wonder why?
December 5th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Bryan,
You can’t be perfect. You can only be forgiven. John 13:34-35 says, 34″A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” If we love others that we, we don’t have to live under all the laws of Moses. In other words we don’t go thru our lives saying , I must not murder, I must not commit this or that. If we have love for each other, then we want no harm to come to anyone.
Idiotic means showing complete lack of thought or common sense. Who has not done that?
When liberals don’t have a real point to make, they point out mistakes as if they never make them.
December 5th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Hey !
I guess I accidentally used the word “N*zi”
Can I get my comment moderated by one of you sinful hardend hearts and enslaved minds ?
December 5th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Freedom is a b*tch.
I think this is a relevant quote:
But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.
-Thomas Jefferson,
December 5th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Freedom is a b*tch, but we’re not talking whether or not these guys can put up the sign or not, as I said its not really a first amendment issue, its a judgment one.
The governor of Washington exercised poor judgment imo. The Jefferson quote isn’t really relevant, no one here is arguing what one should or shouldn’t believe in a religious sense. This is a sensibility issue, not a Constitutional one.
December 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Yea, its kinda like the Westboro Bapsist morons.
They have the right, but the judgement of holding their protests right next to the funerals is asinine and downright mean.