I’m not sure what started the most recent meme amongst Democrats, but this new meme that “you know who else was a community organizer, Jesus Christ. Oh yeah, and Pontius Pilate was a governor” is beyond insane. I believe I read that this was first started on Daily Kos by some diarist over there, but it has quickly spread to the rest of the DNC. Here are a couple of examples of this meme getting pushed around (via the DNC fax outlet I’d gather).
Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., feels liberated to come on the House floor and say that “Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate a governor.” He said this on the floor of Congress, unbelievable!
We also have Donna Brazille with this nugget of wisdom:
First of all, I don’t think they understand the role of a community organizer, often to help people who are in distress, they’ve lost their jobs, they’ve lost their homes, they’ve lost their health care. And for many of us, it’s a time honored tradition to give back, especially those who have been rewarded with so much.
The Bible says to whom much is given much is required and it comes out of that tradition. So it was insulting to see both, you know, the governor as well as Mayor Giuliani criticize people. There’s some on the Internet now that Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor. And perhaps they should understand the role of a community organizer, do help people in distress.
First, I would challenge the notion that either of these two liberals could even tell you where to find a Bible, the thought that either one of them has actually read it is hilarious. Second, the right wing conspiracy already mocks the left because we all think you guys worship Obama as if he is the Messiah, this repeated meme only reinforces that notion.
Finally, the notion that Jesus Christ was a Community Organizer is flat out wrong. Jesus Christ was the Son of God and the Redeemer of mankind. Jesus Christ died, but more importantly lived so that mankind could be free of the shackles of sin. He was as much as a community organizer as Adolph Hitler was a community organizer. However, Christ’s message is the antithesis of “community organizing.” Growing up in Illinois I am well familiar with this time honored tradition of community organizing. We had another name for it, professional rabble rousing. Christ’s message was one of turn the other cheek, forgiveness, love thy neighbor. Let us not confuse community organizing with charity for thy brother, the two are not the same thing. Community organizing is often times very confrontational, but more importantly it is concerned with “what can we get for our group” to the exclusion of other groups. You had different groups essentially competing for limited services and goods (namely government subsidies) and this often leads to other then Christ-like behavior. Please note, I am not questioning if Obama’s intentions, I’m sure he wanted to help his community. I am questioning how effective he was and I’m am denying that the position of community organizer and Jesus Christ have anything in common.
Also, this notion that “Pontius Pilate was a governor” as a sly (not so sly) jab at Sarah Palin, who is also a governor is also absurd. In fact Obama has more in common with Pilate because both are essentially famous for voting “present.”









September 10th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
1) McCain didn’t even bother voting “present” when it came time to vote on extending tax credits to developers of alternative energy. He didn’t even show up- several times over. I’d refer you to some columns about it but I don’t believe you’d read them.
2) Liberals can be Christians. Conservatives have no more a claim on being Christian than they do on being American. They’re laying successful claim to “self-righteousness,” though, I’ll give them that.
3) The Bible says that Pontius Pilate was a governor. How can you refute that?
4) The following letter to the NYT from the parent of a community organizer might help you see that community organizing is not “professional rabble rousing.” Of course, if McCain wins, you’ll see for yourself when YOU’RE on the dole or in need of other help because this country’s spent its time obsessing about abortion and recreating 1950s small towns rather than the many crises that threaten our way of life.
To the Editor:
In her speech on Wednesday night, Sarah Palin said, “I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities.� I have some news for Ms. Palin about the responsibilities of a community organizer. I know something about it because my son Matthew is a community organizer; and in south Chicago, as it happens.
It’s true that he doesn’t have the responsibilities of a small-town mayor. He’s never had the responsibility to use authority and power to threaten to fire the librarian for not banning books that were incompatible with the mayor’s personal beliefs and tastes.
Instead, he works 12 to 14 hours every day organizing ordinary people to secure decent and affordable housing, safe working conditions and a living wage. He works long hours to help working-class people secure a better life and a safer community.
But Sarah Palin doesn’t consider that kind of work to involve any responsibilities. Apparently, her idea of responsibilities is using a position of power to push subordinates around. There’s a word for that kind of attitude: elitism.
Ned Jaeckle
Boulder, Colo., Sept. 4, 2008
September 10th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
1)First, I’m no McCain supporter, never have been. I will hold my stomach and vote him purely because he is better then the alternative. However, with that said, Obama has been in the Senate for about 140 days, nearly that entire time has been spent running for president, he has missed just as many votes.
2) Liberals can be, they just rarely are. Not sure how being so insanely pro-abortion to the extent that even after the baby is born alive, you still push for abortion rights can gel with Christian ideals at all.
3) I’m not disputing he was a governor, I’m mocking the connection ya’ll are trying to make between his status as a governor and Palin’s.
Let me ask you, what happened to all that housing and the hard work that Obama put in? Rezko got super rich and all those buildings now sit empty. Great job organizing.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
By liberals rarely are Christian, do you mean that not many liberals go to Church? I don’t know how the statistics play out, but I’d be surprised if “not many” liberals go to Church. I’m a liberal, and I go to Church with a lot of other liberals. Or, do you mean that liberals just don’t go to *your* Church?
As a liberal Christian, I am not pro-abortion. But I don’t see the logic that Christianity requires an anti-abortion stance. If it does, doesn’t it require an anti-war stance and an anti-death penalty stance?
September 10th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Let me clarify, I think many liberals may claim to be Christian, but then in the same breath they sneer at those who are devout. Do Conservatives corner the market on Christianity or religiosity? No, I don’t believe that, but I do believe as a percentage they actually practice it more.
I think it is impossible to buy into some of the core believes of modern-day liberalism and Christianity though. You cannot believe in relativism as a pure ideal and you cannot believe into the abortion debate as liberals want to characterize it and be a Christian. I am not Catholic, but Pope Benedict has written extensively on the dangers of moral relativism, and I think his writings are very persuasive. As the savior says, you cannot serve both Gog and Magog, you have to choose. No man can have two masters.
If you don’t see how Christianity requires an anti-abortion stance I can’t help you. Seems pretty obvious to me.
As for war and the death penalty, I think liberals tend to mischaracterize God’s stance and the stance of Christianity, especially in relations to war. Of course we should minimize war and death in all circumstances, however any Christian theologian will tell you that war in protection of innocents is just. Most of the wars that the Israelites persecuted against Canaan were not exactly just, they simply were because God said they were. So trying to brand conservatives as hypocrites because we sometimes favor just wars isn’t going to fly well.
As for the death penalty, I’m personally not in favor of it myself, there are many reasons why. Certainly people on both sides of the isle are for it, not just crazy conservative Texans.
September 10th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
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September 10th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
I don’t blame devout Christians for resenting derision of their faith. But it gets tiresome to be told that one’s faith isn’t true Christianity. Conservative Christians do that all of the time. And saying that abortion is wrong but wars can be just sounds like relativism to me- especially when it’s people, not God, deciding which wars are just.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Donna Brazile is an extremely devout Christian. Yes, Black people can be Christians too!!! Jesus, unlike you, did not discriminate.
Actually, if you read your bible, Jesus WAS, in fact, a community organizer. He organized his flock to feed the poor, house those without shelter, and inspire those without hope. That’s what a community organizer does. Other community organizers are: Martin Luther King, Mother Theresa, Susan B. Anthony and many others. According to Sarah Palin’s logic and yours, Jesus and Mother Theresa were just lazy losers with no responsibilities.
I will pray for you and pray that you stop lying to yourself and others about Christianity. Read your bible, sir. Read it now.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
Here comes the racist card, Di, congratulations, you are the first to pull it out. As I said, other community organizers were Adolph Hitler, Chairman Mao and Fidel Castro, what is your point? Please point to one bit of discrimination in my post? I didn’t even mention Barry was black, it has nothing to do with his skin color but everything to do with his policies and experience. Probably the most hilarious thing you said is that “unlike you, we do not discriminate.” Oh yeah? Why is it that blacks vote for Obama by about 9-1?
June, politics aside, I do think that Democrats can be good Christians. If you say you are a devout Christian, I have no reason to doubt you at all. In fact, if you have followed this blog for any length of time you may know that I used to work for Senator Paul Simon (D) of Illinois, he was a good hearted, reasonable Democrat. I will honor him until the day I die. The reason why I have left the Democrat party and have become more conservative over the years is because I find the party has been infiltrated by the far whack job left. I find the far right of the GOP just as dangerous, the difference is they are not in control of the party. You may think Bush represents the far right, he, much like his father, is pretty centrist when you boil down much of what he has accomplished (or not accomplished, however you want to put it). If Joe Liebermann were nominated on the Democrat ticket, I would seriously consider voting for him. I disagree with him on many many issues, but he is at least an adult. There are just too many people in the Democrat party these days who act like children.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
We’re all acting like children. It’s like the country is split between two groups of people wearing opposite sets of reality glasses.
I can’t bear the thought of McCain winning because I think he represents corruption, greed, hypocrisy, and a future guided by awful decisions, and I’m willing to overlook Obama’s faults. The more time I spend on this website, the more I think McCain supporters think like I do; they just see it in reverse.
How do we share this country?? Divided we fall, they say. We have so much we need to do if we don’t want to descend into the third world… (not to mention a nuclear wasteland).
September 10th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
June, you do raise interesting questions. I have no answers for them, I don’t think anyone does. In many ways our system is set up to handle these bitter disagreements and they have existed from the start. Partisanism will always exist I suppose, although I won’t give up hope on you
September 10th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Steve Cohen is a career politician with a J.D. and a million-dollar stock portfolio. Yet, he seems to have a screw loose.
Take a look at him SHOVING a journalist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxkdWQG5ETU
September 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Bryan:
Do Conservatives corner the market on Christianity or religiosity? No, I don’t believe that, but I do believe as a percentage they actually practice it more.
and
Christ’s message was one of turn the other cheek, forgiveness, love thy neighbor.
Yes, you’ve described the Bush administration and conservative pro-war, anti-poor, anti-gay, pro-gun philosophy to a T. Oh, do you have any evidence for your “practice it more” belief?
As I said, other community organizers were Adolph Hitler, Chairman Mao and Fidel Castro, what is your point?
So you’re comparing Hitler to Jesus? Here’s what Di said: Jesus “organized his flock to feed the poor, house those without shelter, and inspire those without hope. That’s what a community organizer does”.
Is that Hitler? I mean, yeah he did sort of inspire the Germans…
why I have left the Democrat party
Democratic. But you know that.
I find the far right of the GOP just as dangerous, the difference is they are not in control of the party.
HA! Now THAT is funny. Real conservatives like Barry Goldwater would cringe if they could see what’s happened to the party. What’s happened to the conservative beliefs in lower taxes, less government interference, smaller government? Neoconservatives (NOT JEWS PEOPLE! I AM NOT USING A CODE WORD HERE) have little to do with this kind of conservatism. They are a radical offshoot of LEFTISTS who have totally co-opted the Republican party, holding power by pandering to the Christian right just enough to get their vote and then mostly screwing them over while they achieve their own agenda.
You may think Bush represents the far right, he, much like his father, is pretty centrist when you boil down much of what he has accomplished (or not accomplished, however you want to put it).
I don’t think he represents the far right. If he did, there would be a budget surplus. There would be no “Unitary theory of the executive” there would not be spying and other infringements of a citizen’s personal property. Bush is far-right, but he’s not philosophically far-right in the sense that he has consistent conservative principals. He’s just a baby-man puppet who represents moneyed interests- lobbyists, military industry, energy companies, etc. who bankrolled his campaign and ran his administration.
And by the way- there’s a far cry between Bush Jr. and his father.
If Joe Liebermann were nominated on the Democrat ticket, I would seriously consider voting for him.
Democratic. But you still know that. Lieberman is a DINO- and not even that.
There are just too many people in the Democrat party these days who act like children
Ic. The children are the ones who think who wears lapel pins are an important qualification for the presidency and at the same time elect people they’d “like to have a beer with” because they look at their leaders as a surrogate mommy and daddy who should always be obeyed and never questioned.
W
September 10th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
I’m amused that his supporters continue to compare Barack Obama with the Messiah. I don’t think this really works in middle America.
Now the comparison has gone from something Republicans laughed about in passing to a heartfelt case made by our endearing commenters on this thread. “Really,” they say, “community organizing Obama is just like Jesus.”
Heh.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Democrat: Jesus cared about the poor. Obama was inspired by Jesus’ example to also care about the poor.
McCain: HA! You’re saying Obama is Jesus!
Democrat: WTF?!!
W
September 10th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I am not Catholic, but Pope Benedict has written extensively on the dangers of moral relativism, and I think his writings are very persuasive.
And BTW– many religious adherents have committed amoral acts, and many atheists have lived moral lives. I don’t see too much of a correlation between religiosity and moral behavior.
W
September 10th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
My conversation had nothing to do with religiosity, only Christianity. However, you cannot deny that moral relativism is a facet of modern liberalism.
September 10th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
The blog ate my other post, but Waldo, why so pedantic? While the official name of the party is the Democratic party, most people do refer to it as the Democrat party. Big picture man, no one cares for those minor corrections. Next you’ll be pointing out my spelling.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Waldo, you should not let your bias cloud your judgement. Of course there is a correlation between Christian principles and ethical lives (contact UMich and ask for the Social Research department). In fact, people get angry against Christians that sin precisely because it is understood they have a higher ethical standard to adhere to.
About Jesus, if you stretch the definition of ‘comunity organizer’, then you can say he was: rallied the people by passionately sharing his vision. But then again, Hitler also meets that same standard…
The thing is, seeing a democrat Jew talk about Jesus trying to sanctify Obama, it’s either desperation or Armaggedon is here.
In any case, if we are going to use the name of Jesus, let’s also bring his teachings about absolute truth, sanctity of life, need of repentance, existence of God, belief in creation, etc. to the table too.
September 10th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
The blog ate my other post, but Waldo, why so pedantic? While the official name of the party is the Democratic party, most people do refer to it as the Democrat party
If you truly don’t know, it’s an inside-joke “slur” going back decades. Getting it wrong on purpose- it’s like saying the “Republicanist” party.
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/30/nation/na-democrat30
has some background. On TV pundit shows, you’ll always here Democrats say “the Democratic party” but the more right-wing, the more likely you’ll hear “Democrat party”. (So all you right-wingers who didnt’ know that can start now…)
Of course there is a correlation between Christian principles and ethical lives (contact UMich and ask for the Social Research department).
Got a link? If Christian principals are by definition ethical (I’m not saying they are, just saying IF they are), then of course there will be a correlation. Now whether or not more religious folk ACT in accordance with those principals, I highly doubt, when compared with non-religious folk raised in the same/similar culture.
The thing is, seeing a democrat Jew talk about Jesus trying to sanctify Obama, it’s either desperation or Armaggedon is here.
I’m not sure what you mean by that.
In any case, if we are going to use the name of Jesus, let’s also bring his teachings about absolute truth, sanctity of life, need of repentance, existence of God, belief in creation, etc. to the table too.
I guess you demonstrate my point. There’s not even much correlation between Jesus’ teachings and the bible and modern Christianity, right OR left. It’s almost as if religion is used to explain or justify current moral standards, as opposed to being their actual source.
W
September 10th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
no, that is silly. only the dem toadies insist on the term democratic
oh look there is w … he is a democratic
fyi, even ted kennedy doesn’t say he is a proud democratic.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:03 am
Way to focus on the issues. THE REPUBLICANS WIN AGAIN by strategically avoiding any real issue at every turn. Let’s focus on Lipstick today. ooh, ooh, today, let’s focus on a Jesus comment. Tomorrow, let’s tell everyone that Obama stole our lunch money. Anything so long as we don’t have to talk about the issues, that blasted economy, the never ending war, the dependency on foreign oil, that crazy environment.
You’re all sheep.
September 11th, 2008 at 5:33 am
Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard.
September 11th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
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September 11th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
obama voted to kill live people who survived abortion. how can a person like that be part of the human race, let alone run for president. That is corruption, june. if you can’t see thru that, then I question your credentials to breathe.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
McCain has the hammer out lately, posters beware.