So much for being a “different kind of candidate.” We all thought John Kerry was the king of the flip-flops, after all he was for the war before he was against it. However, this political season Obama is quickly making Kerry look like a bed-rock of constancy. The latest flip-flop is that Sen. Obama has backed away from his agreement to hold a series of town hall meetings with John McCain. Instead, he has opted for the standard 3 debates that have marked past Presidential elections. When asked about doing town hall meetings with Sen. McCain, Obama stated “I think that’s a great idea.” Except then Obama realized that when it comes to off the cuff comments he is a horrible speaker. I’ll freely admit that Obama is a great speaker when he has prepared remarks on a teleprompter, but any time he has to answer questions he is not prepared for, just count how many times he says the word “uhhh”. At this point, even the Lincoln-Douglas style debates proposed by the Obama camp are no longer being contemplated.
Clearly the Town Hall format favors McCain. McCain is very amiable and comes off pretty sincere in that context. He would obviously wipe the floor with Obama in Town Hall meetings. It is just irritating that everyone seems to think Obama is this great speaker and wonderful guy, but nearly every promise he has made (public funds also comes to mind) he has already broken. At this point, I don’t trust a single thing he say because his (albeit short) track record exposes Obama for the fraud he is. Obama represents pandering at its worse. He seems to take every side of each issue, from gun control to capital punishment. As a recent commerical said, Obama is worse then a flip-flopper, at least flip-floppers have a single position at any given point of time, Obama takes both sides and gets away with it. I’m sure Obama was for the town hall meetings before he was against them.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 5:27 am
There are quite a few errors in this story.
“Obama has backed away from his agreement to hold a series of town hall meetings with John McCain”. Obama never had such an agreement. McCain proposed a huge number of debates, but Obama agreed with the Debate Commission that three debates was plenty, and Obama won the negotiations over the debates.
“nearly every promise he has made (public funds also comes to mind) he has already broken”. I think that you have this backwards. McCain legally obligated himself to public financing for the primaries, accepted significant benefit from doing so, then later changed his mind when he didn’t like the limits imposed as a part of public financing. McCain was told by the FEC that doing so was illegal, and the court case is proceeding. Obama, on the other hand, never said that he was accepting pubic financing, just that he would try to work out a deal with McCain, where Obama and McCain would both limit themselves to public financing if McCain would agree to shut down the 527 “independent” groups as Obama has. Since McCain didn’t agree to this, it hardly seems fair to try to hold Obama to a deal that McCain rejected.
“Obama takes both sides and gets away with it.” Obama believes that complex problems require nuanced solutions. People who prefer simplistic solutions have trouble with the complexity of the real world, so partisans on both sides have attacked Obama for not consistently agreeing with them. For example, when Obama supports some gun control laws, but also respects the rights of gun owners, that’s a middle ground that most americans support, and it irritates the extremists on both sides of that issue that he doesn’t support them 100%. But I think that such attacks say more about the attackers than they do about Obama.
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:50 am
I think that the idea of trying to make Senator Obama out to a celebrity, a flip-flopper, and unpatriotic by not doing exactly as McCain wants is a thin, stained shield that is so transparent, it’s laughable. So is your article. So is your web-site. The people of this country are tired of these tactics. Bush really got the ball rolling with all the lying, and it’s too bad McCain has decided to attach himself to the same ways. He used to be an honorable man. Used to be.
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:52 am
Nice try… but guess what, the country is moving away from having to do everything by sound bite. Obama, and McCain for that matter, are *thoughtful* politicians. The flip-flopper label never was good for America, as it didn’t allow for politicians to adjust their policies for changing conditions. Sorry, but Obama has very skillfully caused the country to shift to the more thoughtful.
And you should also consider how this “flip-flopper” label has such a short history… Was Kennedy, Reagan, etc. ever labeled as such? No, the country wasn’t a soundbite culture in either of those times…
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:58 am
What I find kind of amusing is that after all the people he’s thrown under the bus yesterday he says at a rally “if you dont have a job you cant afford to sit up front in that bus”.
Refering I guess to Rosa Parks.
I could take that as him saying;
“if you cant pay me all the taxes I want, you’ll end up under the bus with all the others”
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“Obama agreed with the Debate Commission that three debates was plenty, and Obama won the negotiations over the debates.”
I dont know if you could say Obama won anything except an opportunity to chicken out.
Its pretty common knowledge that Obama would rather stand in front of thousands while he is uncontested and just deliver long self inflating speechs. As opposed to actuall having to think on his feet.
I’ve seen him in tough interviews and the guy gets all flustered at the slightest question that contains more than one element of thought at a time.
Also, Obama did wish for an agreement to hold one of the debates on the 4th of July.
How chicken sh*t is that ?
Just how many people would be at home on the 4th doing that ?
Its also no secret that Obama does not really want any serious confrontation with McCain until the convention has passed
I dont care how you choose to render the public funds issue. Obama flopped on it. Period
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:31 am
Well this is the kind of BS you expect from a blog with “right” in its name. Still think Bush did a good job huh? And you want more of the same. Losers!
August 3rd, 2008 at 6:55 am
What fun, the rabble are up early today. The consensus of the Chosen Ones appears to be that flip-flopping is good, debates are bad, and Obama’s dishonesty is all Bush’s fault.
Why is Obama afraid of debate?
August 3rd, 2008 at 7:31 am
I think not appearing with O`Reilly makes it pretty evident that Obama cant handle.
Alan;
“Nice try… but guess what, the country is moving away from having to do everything by sound bite.”
Really ?
You could of fooled me.
I find myself getting more and more infuriated with programing these days because you just never seem to get a good taste of any scenario.
“The flip-flopper label never was good for America, as it didn’t allow for politicians to adjust their policies for changing conditions.”
Man, if i’ve ever heard of justifying inconsistacy , that was it.
I dont see how anyone cant see that the flip flopper label made politiicians be a little more accountable for what they say.
How many times is Obama supposed to change his position according to “changing conditions”?
Yea, the conditions changed when he was saying when he would bring home the troops.
Earlier in the campaign the condition was that he needed the far left ant war activist votes so he said he would bring them all home right away.
Later , after the primaries the condition changed to where he had to bring in the votes from center moderates so he went to saying he would bring them home in 6 months.
Now the conditions demand that he try to bring in some right of left center votes so he goes to Maliki and makes sure that everyone hears about his brainstorm idea to bring them home in 16 months.
BFD, Bush was telling the world the day before that there are pull outs and withdrawls on the horizon. And we’ve already been reducing troops in Iraq, tours have been shaved down to 12 months and by the time anyone gets into office troop withdrawls will probably not be much of an issue at the rate they are coming home right now.
Sheez, the way Obama keeps flopping by the time the convention is here he will saying 100 years just to see if he can get some of McCains voters.
Nice try Alan, but your saying that really doesnt cut it with anyone who can follow whats been happening.
Anyone can be thoughtful.
Its having the ability to make those thoughts come to fruition that matters.
And quite frankly. Obama should much much more thoughtful before saying a lot of the stuff he says.
August 3rd, 2008 at 7:57 am
Hey Bryan McAffee,
Why don’t you learn how to spell before casting stones…you dolt.
“However, this political season Obama is quickly making Kerry look like a bed-rock of constancy. ”
Gee what’s wrong with the word “constancy”
It’s *consistency* you ignoramus ! I am so done with this rag.
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:21 am
You mean to tell me there are still some supporters of the right? I would have thought that after George Herbert Walker Bush and then his Dillybar brained son George Bush and his cosmic leader Dick Cheney, they would have went on the endangered species list…or at least underground.
I suppose these same right diehards will emerge from their enclaves years later, still thinking they have something to fight for just as the Japanese did 40 or even 50 years after World War II had long ended.
Keep the guffaws coming right wing. I am loving it.
August 3rd, 2008 at 8:55 am
Hey moron Trevor, ever read a dictionary? I know our public schools are crap these days, but your comment is beyond stupid.
constancy – the quality of being enduring and free from change or variation; “early mariners relied on the constancy of the trade winds”
Here is a link for ya: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/constancy
Left Wing Louie – George HW Bush was about as centrist as Bill Clinton was, he was no conservative. His son is hardly better. Just because you think he is trying to take away your civil rights doesn’t make him a “right wing” conservative. He has passed more liberal programs since LBJ, how about dem apples?
All you leftists suffer from Bush Derangement Syndrome and unfortunately it has robbed you of your ability to think in anything approaching a rational way. Instead, you hang out at Daily Kos and get brainwashed by a bunch of other teenagers suffering from BDS. If leftism is so popular, how come Obama is tied with a 71 year old senator from Arizona?
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:01 am
Trevor;
“Why don’t you learn how to spell before casting stones…you dolt.”
Man, I’ve seen some gaffes before but this is one of the better ones.
Why don’t you learn to worry about something else that really addresses the issue ?
I swear, libs are without a doubt the most pedantic little creatures in the world.
I used to think it was just some urban myth used to blow a certain lib character trait out of proportion.
You cant deal with something that actually involves thinking on more than one dimension so you point to something on the side to take away from that.
And at the same time make a complete a$$hole out of yourself that is most likely overflowing with “constancy”.
Because you see, dolt, there is such a word that applies directly to what Bryan was saying.
“Subjective constancy or perceptual constancy is the perception of an object or quality as constant under changing conditions.”
Basically what that says it that you will be an a$$hole no matter what changes around you occur.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:20 am
Post 10. by Bryan “Dolt O’ Ramus” McAfee.
“early mariners relied on the consistency of the trade winds�
There Bryan McAfee you hapless Dolt O’ Ramus, I fixed it for you.
Bryan McAfee? Do you even have a journalism degree? Or did they just grab you off of the street and say “Here, run this”
I am so done with this rag too Trevor Burbick. And you right wing slime are going to lose elections for the next 20 years, and deservedly so. You are all Dolt O’ Ramus’s, the whole lot of you.
Micky, you’re beyond stupid and beyond even a blog comment. If that is what you call this rag. It S.U.C.K.S.
I see you get what, a whole 3 or 4 comments per blog entry per day? Keep it up, at that rate, McCain will have been mummified for 250 years by the time you help him win an election.
Bwahahaha!!!
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:29 am
Did you even bother to click on the link Wink dumbass? If not, let me explain, there are two different words, consistency and constancy, they are fairly close in meaning, but yes, they are different words.
As for you JFK, I’m not even sure what your point is. I am sure of this, if JFK were alive today, he would be a Republican, that is how far the Rats have gone away from traditional Democratic values. When I worked for Sen. Paul Simon (D-Il) there were still Democrats around who had principals and values. The ones left like Joe Lieberman you run out of your party. That is probably the reason Democrats have only had one president who won a majority of the electoral vote in the last 50 years (sadly it was Carter).
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:32 am
Would it be possible to throw Bryan McAfee’s and Micky’s brains under the bus? And then back up slowly and repeatedly over them to make sure they are not able to infect another living, breathing thing?
Oh wait, they do that perfectly fine all by themselves as is evidenced by the what, 6 WHOLE comments they garner here?
WoOt
On your knees right wing, on your knees.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:43 am
“Micky, you’re beyond stupid and beyond even a blog comment. If that is what you call this rag. It S.U.C.K.S.”
Your pathetic attempt at appearing somewhat “shmart” is only matched by Peewee Herman when he wrecked his tricycle and said:
“I meant to do that”
Maybe you could actually argue a point with some opinion and position instead of just pissing on ankles like some bored Chihuahua.
““Gee, the internet scared me so badly, I downloaded in my pantsâ€?
You fools will never catch up to technology will you?”
Yea, but we will still win more presidential elections than you as we always have
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:57 am
I’m just kind of stunned that these Obama voters have never heard the word ‘constancy’. If that’s the caliber of voter we have in this country, then we really are in trouble.
Its just more proof that you really need more than a 9th grade education to get by in this world.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:00 am
Hey Bryan.
Lets drop these butt hole surfing a$$clowns.
We’re above this crap.
Wouldn’t be too bad if they were actually funny or smart and actually had a decent point to make.
They criticize the comments on the thread and then think that they are somehow a better contribution.
I hate to contradict myself by criticizing peoples typing skills and grammar.
But doesn’t it look like “youhtful” cant spell his own name ?
I mean it is trivial to attack others occasional errors in spelling as some way of painting them as an idiot.
But even I cant let it go when someone cant even spell his own name.
And its really the only issue the schmuck gave us to discuss since the rest of the post was just some incoherent attempt at humor
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:04 am
Constancy is a perfectly fine word and used properly in context. It is in fact a synonym for consistency, both derivations from the Latin “stare” (to stand). What throws off the shallow liberal mind is Bryan’s usage deviates from the common cliche.
Clearly there is constancy in liberal anger toward others, as frequently expressed by The Chosen One and his useful idiots. Literally idiots in this case.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:11 am
Actually Beth, I’ve never heard the word untill today but at least I had two cents worth of brains to go look it up.
Unlike our little friend Trevor.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:13 am
I take that back.
I knew a chick named Constance once.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:16 am
“Yea, but we will still win more presidential elections than you as we always have”….. by….. Micky Mouse
Yea asshat, but it isn’t about who won “more” elections per se, it is about who is going to win “this one” now isn’t it. And the one after that, and the one after that, and the one after that, and the one after that. It will take at LEAST one generation for the republiscum reputation to “die down” Hopefully longer. LOL
And it sure as hell won’t be a right wing war pig, nor there thankfully sparse and uneducated supporters.
Thanks for revealing your true stupidity oh ye posters on this blog whom support ANY right wing candidate. They are all a sham, just as you are.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:21 am
Little Bryan Mc A-Flunky got his ego burned did he? The word is consistency. And it should have been used in the phrasiology of the “story”
Bryan Mc-A-Flunky? Summer school for you, and the short bus will be at your door everyday at 8 am to make sure you attend.
No excuses, now run along and play with the rest of your “Dolt-Mates”
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:22 am
Aren’t you the useful idiot who doesn’t know that “constancy” is a word? Why don’t you go have a milkshake like you promised. Go, just go.
FYI this dummy “Trevor Burback” and “Wink McMasters” are the same person. I can picture him in his pajamas feeling overwhelmed by life and thus the need to amplify his voice.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:25 am
Bryan Mc Dolt For A Fee? Were you one of the children that got “left behind” by your hero George “My Pet Goat” Bush?
Bwahahahaa!!!
See ya on election day, that is if you can read a map to find your polling station! Bwahahahaha!!!
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:32 am
Gee now 3, umm no, make that 5 aliases from a neurotic Obama man. Poor fella is in violation of the comment policy so suspension for 1 week. Read the comment policy in the right sidebar and return next week.