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As a member of the United States Senate barack obama has the right liie any other citizen that would meet with General Petraeus to agree to disagree with him. Here’s the upshot you guys got your war and the peace was hacked up by the neocons. Saddam was killed and anything he knew went to Hell with him and last I checked he’s not telling a Soul. The American people love a winner but whatever this war in Iraq is it should be over and soon and if it takes a victory parade to shut you guys up once an for all then so be it. I personally congratulate you on behalf of every Progressive journalist that has ever lived on the glorious victory of the American Armed Forces over the Iraqi Army and securing a peace that can be maintained by the new democratically elected govermment of Iraq.

Have the parade in Manhattan on Labor Day Weekend and dump twenty tons of confetti on General Petraeus and give him the Medal of Honor and an Academy Award while you are at it. He deserves both.

I know Ms Shaw you are probably not like the rest of the paid hacks here you actually want to be a real journalist not just a button pusher for the right wing. You are probably young and idealistic so I’ll leave you with a little wisdom that cuts both ways no matter what side of the political divide you find yourself on.

If you are twenty and a conservative you may become very wealthy; if you are 40 and still a conservative you have sold your Soul.

Qu’ul cuda praedex nihil!

The entire premise of this article is unfounded. As the mainstream media has reported, Obama did not visit the American military hospital in Germany because the Pentagon thought it would be viewed as a political trip. The rest of the article is just a bunch of whining over the fact that Obama can get a crowd of 200,000 while McCain is stuck stuttering in front of 200.

AKA Strom – you are just listening to the final spin out of the Obama camp. He made a gaff – which, BTW, was consistent with his overall behavior of flipping off groups of ppl that he thinks won’t vote for him anyway. He ignored the issue at first. The troops are really VERY low on his priority list. They don’t say things that fit into his predetermined belief system.

He toured Berlin, canceled the visit to the troops and shortened his trip to France.

The Pentagon told him that he was welcome to visit Landstuhl just like any citizen would be, but could not politicize his visit. He decided not to go. What’s the point if he couldn’t take Goebbels his media staff?

When it got more press than he anticipated he tried to blame the Pentagon and make it appear that it was he who didn’t want to politicize the visit. The problem is, if he didn’t want to politicize the event then he could have gone without taking his photogs.

He’s actually contradicting himself. He’s saying the Pentagon told him he couldn’t go. Then in the same paragraph he says he didn’t go because he didn’t want to politicize a visit to wounded soldiers. He also says that he thanked the soldiers in Afghanstan, kind of like he had already checked that dirty little job off his to-do list.

Come on. There’s a pattern in his behavior. It shouldn’t surprise anyone.

Thanks McCain. I saw the GN

According to Politico, Cindy McCain has a recent request to visit sailors aboard the USNS Comfort denied as well.

Anyone know why?

You reporting is so biased and disengenuous. To suggest Mr. Obama “forgot” wounded solders is inflammatory and just outright a lie. He made a decision not to involve the wounded solders in the cat and mouse politicfal game fueled by an increasing frustrated Republican Party. Please try to put a little balance in your repoarting.

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“ignoring our military?”

I could have sworn I just saw video of Obama in Afghanistan meeting with soliders and being wildly cheered. Maybe I imagined it?

Of course had Obama visited the troops, even without any campaign staff, there would have been a post here about how despicable Obama was in using the troops as a campaign prop.

Read Bob, read.

We are talking about “wounded” troops.
Also, he would of not been able to use the troops for campaigning because his entourage` and Katie Couric and gang were not to be allowed, said the pentagon
Plus, his staff gave two excuses to the media.

We didnt want it to be politicized.
When that didnt fly because he was told he could go alone.

He then said that the pentagon said he couldnt go.
Or the other way around. It doesnt matter.
Both excuses are BS

“According to Politico, Cindy McCain has a recent request to visit sailors aboard the USNS Comfort denied as well.

Anyone know why?”

she is not a senator or an elected official or a member of the military so is not allowed to go on the ship without special permission … which she did not ask for and the navy did not give.

actually technically even a senator or a military officer would need special permission, but it would be unusual to deny access to a senator.

you cannot even go on the USS constitution in boston harbor unless you have permission, which in the case of the constitution you can buy for the price of a ticket during certain times of the day.

it is not a cruise ship, you cannot just jump on a navy ship when you feel like it.

This is all a bunch of lies and disinformation, and not very good lies, at that. Just trash.

Look, why can’t we have some serious debate, instead of this garbage? Don’t you understand, Beth, that you lose credibility? You make it look like, you don’t really have any credible arguments in your opposition to Obama, so you resort to lies and disinformation. It will work with people with an IQ of 75 or less, maybe, but not with anyone else.

I guess your biggest problem is, you’re just not very good at it. Not like someone like, say, Rush Limbaugh. At least he can pull it off, all the disinformation and spin, but sadly, you just come off looking and sounding like an ass.

Whoever runs this site, do us a favor and stop putting up this crap. It is going to be a big, big decision in November, so why don’t we treat it like what it is, and have some serious debate?

I mean, there are a lot of people out there that are on the fence, I am sure, but this sort of thing is not going to convince anyone to vote for McCain. Sadly, it’s going to do just the opposite. Good thing for you that not many people look at it, but why should they? It’s just garbage anyway.

micky is right Edward. You say you want debate, but you add nothing to a debate. You just call names and accuse anyone who has opinions that don’t fit into your world view of lying.

Please, let me know where the lies are. They aren’t lies.

If you were seriously interested in the importance of this election and seriously interested in the best man/woman for the job being elected, then I’d think you’d want to know the truth rather than the spin.

If what I write is so unimportant and read by so few people that it doesn’t matter, then why are you so upset about it?

It upsets you because in your heart you know your man is being packaged and sold to the American people. Pretty pictures and long sanguine speeches don’t make a President.

it’s all lies … lies i tell you …

the bush administration would not give obama the address to the hospital

“Since the trip was paid for by his campaign, and he had campaign staff with him on the plane, he wouldn’t have been allowed to visit the base unless they made some sort of arrangement to have him land elsewhere, and obtain transportation to the base.”

actually the military made a special allowance to allow the plane with campaign staff to land on the base, but they could not go inside and stage pictures with the wounded soldiers … when he found that out, he decided it was not worth it and went to the gym.

“And now everyone in America can see why the right wing was drooling over running against Hillary Rodham Clinton. It would have been a slam dunk of 527 commercials showing a blue dress, flashes of a dark haired woman and Kathleen Willey superimposed and floating in cigar smoke quotes over and over and over until the electorate was so nauseous that they would have voted for anyone as long as they didn’t have a D at the end of their name.”

She did plenty on her own to nauseate us without your suggested advertisements.
The commercials I believe that could of defeated her would be the ones that show her acting as if the world was her stage.Her crying bcause the boys wont treat her like Betty Boop. And maybe her having a contest with a set of nails being drawn down a chalkboard.
Maybe the cigar smoke was not such a bad idea but it should show Monica in the background smoking that cigar as a reminder that this woman forgives all the wrong people. For the wrong reasons.

“Therefore the presumptive Democratic Party candidate survived the Reverend Jeremiah Wright kerfuffle with one of the greatest speeches ever delivered in the history of American politics. He has survived his wife being bashed and vilified and accused of calling every independent white voter in the country “whiteyâ€? on a tape to be released by who would have guessed it, a right wing blogger! Funny that tape never showed up because it doesn’t exist.

Survived my a$$.
That episode tore him up and cause everyone to be just a little more cautious in their approach to this two faced liar whom disowned his own grandmother during the whole episode.
This was the one point in his candidacy where he lost more followers than over any other subject up until then.

Greatest speech ?
I thought all his speechs were the greatest ever ?
You guys really ought to stop it.
Typical libs, they want to give trophys to all the kids no matter how poor there performace is.

Oh come on now Fred.
Michelle still has plenty of problems being proud of her country with or with out the whitey tape.

” expect in a country of 202 million white “Christiansâ€?, half of whom wouldn’t want a black president under any circumstances because he’s black, that an educated man of ideas like Barack Obama would get a hard way to go from the folks who live and breathe the Southern Strategy every day of their lives. I would suggest you look beyond what Kevin Phillips called “tribal tendenciesâ€? you know Beth the sort that makes Jesse Helms a hero to you no matter what the new media might say about him and focus on who can actually work with a Democratic Party controlled Congress that is deeper in number strength than what you have today by 25%.”

Expectations will get the best of you Fred.
Now we know where the costant drill on rac*sm comes from.
A holes like you bring up to make an issue out of it as often as you can. (Jesse Helms etc…)
Try this aproach.
Obama will lose on his merits or lack of more than he will lose because he’s black.
His inexperience and arrogance are clearly more visible than his ethnicity. Which he actually portrays inaccurately. He himself makes r*ce an issue by propelling his blackness only to make for election stumps to the entitlement mentallity as he never reflects on his white side to benefit all Americans equally with diversity.
How anyone can work with the most irresponasable and useless congress we have ever had is beyond me. So if I were you I wouldnt place too many bets on that congress no matter what the scenario.

“For the record this all has something to do with the “every little smear campaignâ€? being run from the RNC which is fine because the traction with new media trends toward liberal views. You guys have talk radio and the major networks sewed up for McCain where even when he looks like a fool it’s okay.”

Delusional and incredibly ignorsnt to the facts.
Talk radio is about it.
75% of all op ed in almost every newspaper are written by liberal authors.
70% of staff members in the medias vote dem.
And all polls show that 75% of Americans on average from all polls combined believe that Obama is getting at least 75 to 80 % of the coverage.
Major networks sewed up for McCain ?
Yea, and the moon is made of cheese.
Want some fruit and Port with that ?
” know Beth you are going to scream back that the old media is so “librul!â€? Well if that were the case the story about Obama not going to visit wounded troops in Germany would not have been spearheaded by NBC’s own Andrea Mitchell and then repeated on every network broadcast locally, virtually in the country with a media market larger than 30.”

Andrea reported that people are upset about it and did not go into great lengthy detail about the pros and cons in the case just bare minimum so as to present the question as to ask whether we should be upset or not.
We are talking about liberal bias Fred.
Not claiming that all news is inandated 100% 24/7 with liberal points and views.
So you find one story and use that to try and make a point ? BFD.

“What you trailer park pundits in the Confederacy fail to realize is that the old media is a corporate media that favors war for ratings ad share profit over peace for prosperity for the people.”

Yes, its where they place that blame for the blood and catastrophy that lies the bias.
So, making money by virtue of sponsorship justifies the BS they put out just to feed the mostly liberal staff in the editing room ?

“I’ll even bring a few people a lot smarter than I am.”

We already have Bob and Ed.

Just to add my 2 cents:

1. Reason there were 200,000 (?) at the Berlin “rally” is because, like he did in one of his appearances in the mid-west, Obama’s appearance immediately followed a FREE rock concert with two different rock bands popular with German youth. You have to give Obama and his handlers credit for being so slick as to latch onto a FREE rock concert that would draw thousands and thousands of people (to hear the FREE music, not Obama).

Check the new services to verify the free rock concert immediately preceding Obama’s speech. Also interesting that during his speech he had the audacity to tell the world that Americans are so “stuck-Up” (my words) because they didn’t bother to learn a second language; yet during his visit to a half-dozen or so foreign speaking nations he never spoke more than a few gratituous words in a foreign language!!! Interesting isn’t it??? Two-faced???? Un-American????

2. Reason Obama didn’t visit wounded troops was because DOD (Dept of Defense) told his staff it would be inappropriate for the senator to visit wounded troops as part of a policital campaign. The DOD went on to tell Obama’s staff that he was more than welcomed to visit the wounded troops if he did not have photo ops and other trappings associated with a political campaign stop. Showing his true colors, Obama nixed the troop visit when he realized he wouldn’t gain any political advantage from such a visit.

Facts about why Obama didn’t visit wounded troops can also be checked on any of the wire services.

No Bob.
Well, first of all its not his fault that the meeting room doesn’t have restrooms. I mean, whos fault is that ?
Also Bob, you need to take into consideration the rest of the column which goes on to say;

“Spokeswoman Megan Mitchell said the two-hour rule is “a recommendation, not a requirement,” and “we always work to make sure the bathrooms are within the security perimeters.”

So, although up top it says that the meeting hall did not have bathrooms, Megan Mitchell says that they make sure that bathrooms are always within the perimeter.
Which means that more than likely since they “make sure” had the event gone thru there would of been restrooms. Right ?

“The vice president would never let us do anything that didn’t help facilitate the needs of our veterans,” Mitchell added.

Cheney has visited hospitalized wounded warriors and invited Walter Reed Army Medical Center patients for fly-fishing lessons around his swimming pool.

But the vice president’s rules for speaking to groups seem more stringent than those of his boss.

President Bush routinely speaks at events such as large dinners where thousands of guests freely pass back and forth through Secret Service screening portals.”

Since the event did not take place no harm really came to anyone now did it ?

You cant say that they “would be unable to use a bathroom for hours due to Cheney’s security paranoia.” when its not really his paranoia that made a meeting hall with no restrooms.

And now lets take into account that there is no doubt the NY daily news is hostile to the Bush/Cheny administration.
I think the first clue would be the very unflattering picture of Cheny they posted along with the column.
And they also dont stress the fact that this is our vice president and not Obama whom I’m sure falls under a different category and level of security.
Do we know the layout of the facility ? Does the paper ask secret service why this was planned this way ?

A lot of the time neither Bush or Cheny has a lot of say so in security measures
Really, I dont think too many want Pelosi next in line.

And this just furthers the point against Obama since the wounded he was supposed to see arent going anywhere now are they ? I’m sure their facility had restrooms and whatever they needed to make them comfortable and yet Obama never did show up or make an effort.

We also need to distinguish the difference between the wounded in a medical facility and the ambulatory wounded veteran at a meeting hall.

Bob, you have a continued pattern of warranting bad behavior as an excuse for more bad behavior.
Even if Cheny is the militaries worst enemy it doesnt excuse Obamas behavior.
I give a sh*t about Chenys past.
We are talking about something that might happen and the we actually have the power to stop before it happens. (well, maybe not you)
We are not talking about something that is down the road and out of our hands.

And I’m not even going to bother to research your stats because as I said, it doesnt matter, Cheny and Bush are not running against Obama.
Also, half the time you guys throw these measures or bills up that didnt pass and its usually because their were other ear marks or pork attached to it that Bush or Cheny didnt want to sign off on.
For example the CHIPS bill.
All you moonbats were running around saying that Bush didnt care about kids because he vetoed the CHIP bill.
NO! He vetoed it because as it was intended for children of families that couldnt afford insurance for all of the members in that family, but there was actually 28 year olds who made 68,000.00 included on the bill and Bush felt that they were not in need of such an entitlement.

So, in a nutshell.
What you’re talking about has nothing to do with Obamas failure to do the right thing.

Really, dont you think its a little childish ?

“he did it ! so I can do it !”

For those interested in facts rather than spin, factcheck.org has addressed this issue:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/snubbing_wounded_troops.html

This is from your link Bob.

“The Obama campaign canceled the visit with wounded troops at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany, Obama says, when he learned that the Pentagon would not allow him to bring along a retired Air Force major general who is serving as a foreign policy adviser to the campaign. Obama says that “triggered then a concern that maybe our visit was going to be perceived as political.”

Ha !
Only if he told everyone about his conversation with the pentagon !
And then he could of left the general behind

Heres another one I got in my e mail from Faultline.
The links are dead but I’ll post them if anyone wants me to.

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Posted: 28 Jul 2008 08:56 AM CDT

Cross-posted by Maggie at Maggie’s Notebook

Does anyone think the Pentagon issues “hints” to a Presidential candidate? In an interview with Fox News’ Bill Hemmer, Hemmer asked Obama to clarify why he did not visit a U.S. Military hospital when in Germany. Obama said the following:

There was a hint [from the Pentagon] that it might end up being perceived as a political issue, because of some blowback we’ve received…
And he says:

…we had never intended to take cameras in. Our intention was not to publicize this at all.
The Huffington Post, however, offers a direct quote with a named Pentagon spokesperson:

We told him he could visit Landstuhl (Regional Medical Center in western Germany) with his Senate staff, but not with his campaign staff,” said Army Lt. Col. Elizabeth Hibner.
How embarrassing for Senator Obama.

Then here’s a version from TMP Central, Greg Sargent speaking:

I’ve just gotten clarification from the Pentagon on what really happened with regard to Barack Obama’s canceled visit to an Army base in Germany,…

A Pentagon spokesperson confirms to me [Sargent] that because of longstanding Department of Defense regulations, Pentagon officials told Obama aides that he couldn’t visit the base with campaign staff. This left Obama with little choice but to cancel the trip, since the plan to visit with campaign aides had been in the works for weeks.

Obama the Presumptive was “left with little choice…? The campaign aides couldn’t cool their heels long enough to get Obama to the hospital?

So which is it? Did the Pentagon say:
(1) you can go with your Senate staff, but not your campaign staff and you cannot take cameras?
(2) you can’t go because it is a campaign event
(3) well, it might be perceived as political, so…

The clear answer is No. 1.

NOTE: Among The Huffington Post’s coverage, they helpfully provide a link to a Pentagon ruling (or so it would seem):

When Obama cancelled his military base visit, he was responding to a Pentagon ruling:
Click it and see where it takes you. It’s a perfect example of the fine art of deception.

Here’s another example of deception: Senator Obama speaks of “distracting” the troops.

The last thing I want to do is in anyway distract the terrific work that’s being done in terms of treating our troops by getting it fouled up by a bunch of politics, so since I had a chance to visit the folks in Walter Reed, we had a chance to visit folks in Iraq, I didn’t want it to be a distraction.
Remember this slap-in-the-face from the would-be Commander-in-Chief while standing in front of a crowd of Berliners?

Will we [America or "we" the World???] reject torture and stand for the rule of law?
Can he think those lying wounded in military hospital beds, and those wounded and bravely moving on with their lives, were not “distracted” by his indictment of them as torturers, because that’s exactly what he said, not what he hinted.

More deception: CBS News, Fox News, The AP and many more reported on Obama’s “quiet” trip to Walter Reed Hospital a few weeks ago
.
CBS News: Obama Quietly Visits Wounded War Vets
Fox News: Obama Quietly Visits Veterans at Walter Reed
The AP Obama quietly visits wounded vets at Walter Reed

You can view the video of the Hemmer-Obama interview here

Congratulations to the McCain campaign, this morning they finally admitted that their ad about Obama and the troops in Germany was a lie.

—
McCain campaign blogger Michael Goldfarb:

“It does now seem that Barack Obama snubbed the troops for reasons other than a lack of photo-op potential,”

Who cares what the reason was, even though Obama has given so many by now it doesnt matter any more.

Using the Occam’s razor approach, the argument that makes the most sense is that Obama was afraid his visit to the troops in Germany, while on a campaign trip, would have been attacked as being politically motivated, so he canceled.

Of course folks like yourself NEVER would have attacked him if he stopped his campaign plane at an airbase and visited wounded troops on a trip paid for by his campaign, right?

Something tells me had he gone, we would have seen a blaring headline on Drudge “Obama Uses Troops As A Prop: Schedules Campaign Stop To Visit Soldiers”

Followed by “what a scum-bag” post after post.

This already had been discussed with many pundits while Obama was visiting troops here in the US while campaigning. And it was agreed that no one would really critsize him or is going to critisize him for that.

Are these the same pundits who said that Obama would rather play basketball than visit the troops and who ignored the fact that Obama regularly visits troops at Walter Reed and visited troops during his tour through Afghanistan and Iraq?

Micky, as I said, you are a lot smarter than this.

Micky, this is for you. Enjoy your crow:

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http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/brandnewday/archives/2008/07/the_new_normal.html

What the McCain campaign doesn’t want people to know, according to one GOP strategist I spoke with over the weekend, is that they had an ad script ready to go if Obama had visited the wounded troops saying that Obama was…wait for it…using wounded troops as campaign props. So, no matter which way Obama turned, McCain had an Obama bashing ad ready to launch.

Exactly as I said, had Obama gone and visited the troops, the McCain camp would have attacked him using the troops as props.

Eat crow ?
Eat me.

That doesnt change anything.
he had it planed already, it was supposed to be part of his campaign tour.
But since he couldnt do it his way and he really had no interest in seeing our wounded, he blew it off.

I asked you Bob.
How much critisizem has Obama recieved for visiting wounded here in the states while campaigning ?

And so what if McCain did launch that ad ?
Does Obama not have the testicular fortitude to do whats right anyway ? No matter what anyone says ?
Face it, the guy is a schmuck.

How much critisizem has Obama recieved for visiting wounded here in the states while campaigning ?

Then why do you think the McCain team was ready with an ad to attack him for visiting the troops in Germany?

He gets up in front of 200,000 foreigners who cant vote for him and says “this is our time”.

But he doesnt find time for wounded American soldiers

All the arguments and excuses for why Obama couldn’t’ be bothered with wounded troops is just BS.

It took him a week to come up with the story he finally stuck with as to why he didn’t go by there. He wouldn’t have bothered explaining it, if it hadn’t gotten in the news.

I heard his first reaction from his own mouth. He said he’d seen wounded troops in Afghanistan and thanked them. He said it like, ‘Wasn’t that enough?’

They guy doesn’t get it. He JUST doesn’t get it. That’s the bottom line. That’s the problem. He has no respect for the military. He doesn’t value the military. He doesn’t understand the military. He believes the left’s propaganda about the military.

This is a guy that wants to send ALL our troops to Afghanistan against the advise of men on the ground and military commanders. He’s an idiot and will do nothing but get soldiers killed and put our national security in more danger than its been in throughout the history of the Republic.

If all this is true, still, this man shows very poor decision making reflected in the way he has handled all of these things.

Yes Micky, he continually shows poor decision making, which is why he came out of nowhere to defeat the Clintons, and why he currently holds an electoral college advantage of 351-187 according to The Hedgehog Report.

Yes, he’s obviously completely incompetent, keep thinking that, and then start coming up with a conspiracy theory you can blame in November.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/07/19/obama_arrives_in_afghanistan_set_to_tour_war_zone/
“}Obama played basketball with some troops and joked to those watching, “You came out here because you wanted to see me get beat by your fellow soldiers.”

“At the start of their Afghan trip, the delegation met with top military leaders and troops at Bagram Air Field, the main U.S. military base north of the capital, before going to Jalalabad Air Field in Nangarhar province.”
“Barack Obama visited Saturday with U.S. troops and Afghan officials in this war-weary nation, which is the focal point of his proposed strategy for dealing with threats to the U.S. if elected president.”

Nope, no wounded in Afghanistan.
Just basketball.
( I dont think the wounded were playin hoops)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-07-19-obama-trip_N.htm

“Earlier Sunday, Obama had breakfast with soldiers at Camp Eggers, a heavily fortified military base in the city”

“Before arriving in Afghanistan, Obama visited with U.S. troops in Kuwait. He was joined by Democratic Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island and Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska. Both have been mentioned as potential vice presidential picks”

Nope, no wounded troops in Kuwait or iraq either,

Sorry bob.

Baghdad Bob, you don’t understand the simple English sentence you clipped in italics. Stop lying about Obama’s selfish ulterior purposes.