Here is your thread for Pennsylvania exit polls and election results for the Pennsylvania election. We will live-blog throughout the day on November 4, 2008 for the general election so use this thread to start the dialog. Winners will be posted as soon as we can make the call.
Note that the 2010 Democrat primary exit polls for Pennsylvania are here.
Pennsylvania is Hillary Clinton’s last stand. She will win in the country while Barack Obama wins the cities, so the fight we are watching is for the suburbs. We will know how Obama’s comments about bitter towns will influence the voting, and whether Hillary Clinton has a strong base of support from any demographic group.
188 delegates are at stake in the state. Hillary has been in the state non-stop since before the last primary.
Study this fascinating demographic analysis while we wait for the data. A 12 delegate gain for Hillary will not be a successful result.
Experts believe that Hillary Clinton wins Pennsylvania so this becomes a game of expectations. The expectation set by the media and the campaigns is that she needs to win by 10+ points to maintain her viability as a candidate. If she wins by less, this long primary battle will finally come to an end whether or not she technically stays in the race.
As always, we will give you the data and make the call before any of the major news sources.
Here are the polls on election eve:
Pennsylvania Polls
Latest pre-election polls are here.
Rasmussen (Apr. 20)
Hillary Clinton 49%
Barack Obama 44%Zogby (Apr. 19-20):
Hillary Clinton 48%
Barack Obama 42%Insider Advantage (Apr. 20):
Hillary Clinton 49%
Barack Obama 39%Strategic Vision (Apr. 18-20):
Hillary Clinton 48%
Barack Obama 42%Survey USA (Apr. 18-20):
Hillary Clinton 50%
Barack Obama 44%PPP (Apr. 19-20)
(Junk Poll)
April 22, 2008 Live-blogging Updates:
Pennsylvania exit poll data (Democrat):
(Updated throughout the day)
Update: Latest information trending slightly in Clinton’s direction, not withstanding the bogus PPP poll, which is a biased Democrat poll with unknown intentions. Hillary appears to be coming on strong on election day.
Update *** – 7:53 AM – MDefl
My source just confirmed their belief that HRC will win today by 7 to 9 points. He believes that the new voter registration issue is being over played in Obama’s favor. They claim to have signed up many new voters although I am not certain if I believe him on this point. Here is a good article from KYW News Radio explaining why PPP’s polling was so favorable towards Obama.
Published exit poll data.
Pennsylvania Primary Results (Mississippi):
*** Update ***
Geraghty reports that blue collars are going for Obama 2-1 and Philly is going 3-1 for Obama. Also, early exit polls shows Obama up 52-47. This is still early and probably reflective of Philly, so things will probably change.
*** Update *** – MDefl
For those of you who are Democrats, Geraghty is Jim Geraghty who works as a columnist for National Review. I am beginning to think that the commentor four may be onto something. The traffic in the ex-burbs is not as high as the Clinton camp was hoping. Since this is a closed primary, Republicans cannot just show up and vote for Hillary. My advice is that with less than 40 minutes until polls close, trust no one. Something very odd is going on with this election. Also, I remember the 04 election when all the networks called it for Kerry at 8 PM. The initial results (and exit polls) had Kerry ahead by 15 to 18 points. As the night wore on, the gap lessened. Kerry eventually won by 3 points. It will be interesting to see if that holds true tonight with Obama taking an early lead with the Philly vote and Clinton cutting into the lead or surpassing Obama as the night goes along.
Philadelphia and the surrounding burbs will decide this election. I had a long post on that topic about 6 weeks ago. I just have a funny feeling that this is going to be a very interesting night.









April 21st, 2008 at 7:58 am
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April 21st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
This picture looks like a definite “Caption contest” nominee. What are they both thinking?
April 21st, 2008 at 6:25 pm
“Hillary appears to be coming on strong on election day.” What?
April 21st, 2008 at 6:48 pm
My understanding from many of the internals of these polls is that the undecideds seem to be breaking pretty heavily for Hillary, certainly a good sign for her. Also, it is unclear how Philadelphia is breaking for Obama right now. Some polls show him up 55%, which would give him a lot of breathing room with the rest of the state. Other polls show his lead in Philadelphia at only 51%, which would be shocking if true. If his lead is only 51% in Phi, Hillary wins PA by 15 points. My guess is she wins by 9 points though. Should be fun to watch.
April 21st, 2008 at 7:51 pm
The most accurate pollster DO NOT have PA breaking in Hillary’s direction Survey USA has her at -8 from the previous week and Obama unchanged. PPP has Obama ahead… they are the only two pollster I pay attention to. The rest is just noise.
And PPP is not biased. They called both Ohio and Texas for Hillary.
April 21st, 2008 at 8:00 pm
zogby just released their last poll and it has Clinton ahead by 10 points.
Don’t get too excited, I was expecting this from them… they are the same people who had obama ahead by 13 points the night before California. Who knows what they are up to…
April 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Ok folks. I did the work for you:
The Numbers Game
2 million voters expected
300,000 new voters, 80% are college kids and Urban/Suburban Philly (AA vote)
SUSA Poll 750 voters polled factoring in media expectations
Clinton 50
Obama 44
102,000 undecided
2 million expected
If undecideds go 60/40 to Clinton
If new voters go 60/40 Obama (conservative estimate)
Clinton 52% (wins by 62,400 votes)
Obama 48%
Margin 4%
2 million expected
If undecideds split 50/50
If new Voters go 60/40 Obama (conservative estimate)
Clinton 51% (wins by 42,000 votes)
Obama 49%
Margin 2%
2 million expected
If undecideds go 60/40 to Obama
If new voters go 60/40 Obama (conservative estimate)
Clinton 51% (wins by 21,600 votes)
Obama 49%
Margin 2%
Average
Clinton: 51% (wins by 42,000 votes)
Obama: 49%
Margin: 3%
NOW if there is historic turnout Obama will win PA. Alright folks, that’s the story.
April 21st, 2008 at 8:49 pm
toby,
i see what you were saying now… if you actually got those internals from someone connected to the obama campaign.
they are assuming that the turnout of white voters will be low (which makes a kind of sense) but that there will be a high turnout of new/ young voters and african americans and that is why their numbers have them slightly ahead.
i see.
April 21st, 2008 at 8:51 pm
but, again, who knows… it is going to be a ride… !
April 21st, 2008 at 8:56 pm
I think white turnout will be lower than expected. Although Zogby sucks in polling he made an astute observation about Clinton’s support. He said that her supporters aren’t as passionate and that they really don’t care for either Obama or Clinton and would have to be extremely motivated to come out. He said that the only folks that are really undecided are whites and catholics who are quite conservative. They are most likely to just stay at home.
I think Obama pulls a squeaker.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:03 pm
hopeful08
you sure are hopeful, but you might not be completely off base
i just looked closely at the survey usa poll
they only hves AA voters at 14% which is low… it is going to be about 17-18%
and I too think a lot of the undecided voters and some clinton voters will stay at home as they think about voting for McCain!
April 21st, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Also,
SUSA got MO wrong. They had Clinton up 11 points the day before the election. I seriously think this is going to be along the lines of MO where we won’t know the winner(which I think is going to be Barack) until early Wednesday. I think he gets just over 1%.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:11 pm
i see your point hopeful
maybe that is why PA is never an easy win for democrats in the fall. i really get your point there.
and the newly registered voters… i have a hard time figuring they went through the trouble for Clinton. She just isn’t very inspiring.
Do you have an hard evidence though hopeful… I am a numbers person!
April 21st, 2008 at 9:13 pm
yes, survey did get MO wrong (underestimated AA turnout) and they also got Texas wrong.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I like Poblano’s site fivethirtyeight.com as well as Boomantribune. He won’t predict the numbers but he sounds fairly confident that OBama could pull out a sqeaker as opposed to Clinton getting 10 points. He is also in PA and has been on the ground like crazy.
Basically Obama’s path is the Fast Eddie Rendell path to victory in PA. He has some interesting reads. That is Boomantribune.com
April 21st, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Actually,
This is exactly why Democrats have won in the fall since the 1980s. IT’s because of Philly and the suburbs that have offset the conservative parts of the state. Look at Kerry’s numbers from 2004. He won a handful of counties including PA to offset being crushed by Bush in the rural areas.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
yes, agreed.
so you really think he will win?
i would agree but what is it based on?
April 21st, 2008 at 9:23 pm
I had friends canvassing in Philly this weekend and they said they were absolutely shocked at how many high schoolers Obama’s folks registered. Yes, high schoolers. Apparently, Camp Obama will have volunteers outside of high schools to remind the students to vote and where. They also registered many poorer black folks including many ex-cons who can vote in PA. The so-called “forgotten folks.”
His community organizing roots are showing.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Also,
His name is first on the ballot. My dad worked on a few Congressional campaigns in California and he said that it is always good to have your name first on the ballot because undecideds who aren’t seriously passionate will just chose the first name to get it over with. He said that it could give Obama an extra 2-3 points.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:26 pm
hm.
i’d love to have his internal numbers.
I guess the people who are more liberal in PA do carry it democratic every year… I think these pollster are off this time around. I don’t know why but looking at the data it doesn’t make sense.
do you have any idea of what the Obama internals are?
April 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Unfortunately I do not. His “leaked” spreadsheet which has been spot on since Super Tuesday had him losing by 5 points. I think he pulls a sqeaker because of low HRC turnout and very very high Philly turnout. I’m sure we will get a sense on turnout by noon tomorrow.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:28 pm
now hopeful08… what a minute… first on the ballot? i have never heard that before.
Is he always first on the ballot?
If that was the case he would have been getting more undecided along the way.
you are very hopeful.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Philly turnout in 2002 for Fast Eddie’s election was 35-40%(that was the last contested dem primary). PPP and SUSA put Philly turnout at 45%. IF that is the case, Obama wins which I think is what is going to happen.
I can easily see him having a 300K+ gain out of Philly.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
He is first on the ballot. He hasn’t always been first but in PA he is first on the ballot which is good.
April 21st, 2008 at 9:33 pm
According to Obama… per his Daily Show interview:
BO: We started off twenty down. The polls are now showing us 6 to 8.