Here is your thread for Texas exit polls and election results for the Texas primary. We will live-blog throughout the day on March 4th, 2008, for both the Republican and Democrat primary so use this thread to start the dialog. Winners will be posted as soon as we can make the call.
Conventional wisdom is that Barack Obama erased Hillary’s lead and should win. However, Right Pundits detects a resurgence by Hillary Clinton in the state of Texas according to the very latest pre-election polls. We think that the now famous national security advertisement by Hillary Clinton was more effective than people will give credit.
The two-step primary plus caucus system in Texas is confusing everyone. Here is a primer to help you sort it out. When you understand it, please come back and explain it to us.
Experts expect the vote to break along race, gender, and ethnic lines. Despite all of the talk about issues, group identity will play a major role as always. This fact is not a good omen for Obama because the rhetoric does not match the reality.
Finally, what is all of this talk about Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton in Texas? How do Democrats feel about this effort which has been promoted by Rush Limbaugh?
Here are the polls on election eve:
Texas Polls
WFAA Belo (Feb.28 – Mar.1):
- Obama 46%
- Clinton 46%
- McCain 56%
- Huckabee 31%
- Paul 6%
Survey USA (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 48%
- Clinton 49%
- McCain 53%
- Huckabee 36%
- Paul 5%
PPP (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 50%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
Reuters – CSPAN – Zogby (Feb.29 – Mar.2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 47%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
March 4th 2008 Live-blogging Updates:
Texas exit poll data:
(March 4th, 2008.)
12.25 EST: See report below, McCain supporters crossing over to “defeat Hillary today”. Will other Republicans who want to run against Hillary cancel the Houston crossovers out? One thing is certain, there are Republicans crossing over and meddling in the Dem. Primary, whether they’ll caucus is yet to be seen. Stay tuned.
12.15 EST Update: I just got an odd report from someone in the Texas Hillary camp. She’s supposedly running better than expected around Dallas, which is surprising as that’s a heavily black area. When I asked what “better than expected” meant, she said 5-7 points higher. Can anyone decipher this? Does this mean that Hillary is only losing the Black vote 85-15 instead of 90-10??? Does that even matter? I’ll wait for more data as this gal has been off once before, but she sounded kind of excited. She also said Hillary is “cleaning up” in West Texas, which begged the question, Is there anything to “clean up” in West Texas?
12.25 EST Update: Contrary to reports that Republicans are supporting Hillary, I just got another solid report from a Republican organizer (someone in the know) that Republicans in the suburbs south of Houston are making a concerted effort to defeat Hillary now. “We figure we might as well just beat her now so there is no chance she wins in November”. According to Blake, They have organized a somewhat successful Republican get out the vote effort with the battle cry “defeat Hillary today”. He also said that a majority of these voters are McCain supporters. Which makes one wonder what effect, if any, will the crossover vote have on McCain’s margin of victory in Texas. I doubt many of these Republicans will also caucus, they hate Hillary, but not enough to miss dinner to defeat her.
12.45 EST Update: Rush Limbaugh, who has recently been urging Republicans to vote for Hillary so she can “bloody up” Obama some more, is out sick and not on the air today. A talker our of Dallas is sitting in for him.
2 EST Update: FIRST WAVE. These numbers aren’t statewide but a good cross-section. You aren’t going to get our head to head numbers yet as we want to be conservative and make sure they are right, but as Rightpundits told you earlier, the crossover (Republicans meddling in the Dems affairs) is huge. Despite heavy heavy turnout, the crossover vote is still making up somewhere between 5%-8% of the Democratic vote. The crossover vote is coming from the older republican crowd. Of course, one can assume Republicans are really liking the “Rockstar” candidate, but you’d be kidding yourself, these are McCain voters in the general. Here’s another tidbit, about 10% of the Dem primary voters have NEVER voted before and a little more than half have never voted in a primary. Be weary of this first wave of polling if it is reported by other sites, in my opinion, something is messed up with the African-American turnout. Either they all slept in or they didn’t show up. I can’t believe either of those and suspect they are somehow undereported. In other words, Obama’s base (black voters) is definitely going to turn out and the numbers aren’t right.
2.41pm – It really does appear that Hillary is exceeding expectations in the early data. As we always caution, take first waves as they are meant to be, which is a pile of data that has not been properly normalized for known demographics. More in a minute.
3pm – New reports of Obama cheating the caucus system on election day. This story will rage tonight.
3.02 – More on the caucus… remember that ANYONE who voted in the Democrat primary is eligible for the Democrat caucus. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that means thousands of Republicans attempting to manipulate the election will be eligible if they want to take the time. Something tells me that this time, the Democrats will not want to make sure every vote is counted. The media coverage of this mess is going to give the Texas election system a black eye.
3.24 EST – The Obama campaign is preparing it’s surrogates to claim the delegate count on a national scale, and why Clinton, even after doing well in Texas and Ohio, still can’t catch Obama in the delegate count, and that Obama is still the delegate leader and has won the vast majority of the last dozen states. They are also going to downplay Ohio and try to build up delegate count in Texas as opposed to popular vote. I don’t know if this is just worst case scenario planning on Obama’s behalf or a tip of the hand at what their internals are showing.
3.50 EST – Turnout is much higher than any previous primary, but turnout is LOWER than all the pundits were predicting. Most pundits and those in the know thought turnout would exceed 3 million, some even suggesting it would be closer to 3.5 million. Absent a huge surge this evening, the predictions seem to be off. Young African American turnout is 1/3 lower than expected, maybe they’ll show up in the final wave??
4.15 EST – Rumors a swirling that some Obama supporters are not voting in the primary and instead are going to turnout in force at the caucus tonight at 7:15 since Obama is supposed to “do well” in the caucus. The only problem with that line of thinking is that those who didn’t vote in the Dem. primary can’t caucus. Somebody better get that word out to the Obama ground game!
4.30 EST – Mood in Obama camp shifting to subdued. They are lowering expectations this afternoon and talking about the next contests like Hillary did in past days. Obama: “We closed the gap, but you know whether it’s going to be enough to actually win is going to depend on turnout. We know there’s not going to be a huge shift in delegates one way or another — just given the math. Which means that either way we will go to Mississippi or Wyoming next week.”
5.28pm – Independents are 20% of vote in Democratic primary in Ohio. On the GOP side, only 14%.
5.43 EST – Plan on hearing a lot about the overall delegate count from the Obama folks tonight.
6.15 EST – IN TEXAS Among Black Voters Obama 83 Clinton 16, Among Hispanic Voters Clinton 64 Obama 32.
6.50 EST OBAMA +2 in Texas. Well within margin of error.
7 EST Regardless of outcome, Obama folks have been told to talk tonight and tomorrow about the overall delegate count being in favor of Barack.
8:42 EST (Update from Tina)- With 1% +/- OBAMA 467,143 56%
CLINTON 356,470 – 43%9.30 EST I expect Hillary to be a narrow winner in Texas despite her early lead with 2% counted. This is not a formal call, but expect the actual vote numbers to tighten considerably later tonight. (Note that this thread is maintained by multiple analysts who may see the data differently.)
11.30pm – Right Pundits calls Hillary Clinton the winner of the Texas primary as hinted about 2 hours ago. The results are continuing to align with the exit polls. It will be a narrow win but a win nevertheless and don’t forget where you heard it first. Join us in a few minutes for an open thread on the Texas caucus. (call by McCain at 11.30pm)
FYI CNN has exit poll data posted publicly here.
Republican Texas Primary Results (Texas):
Democrat Texas Primary Results (Texas):









March 4th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Revised Fox Exit Poll:
Electability:
Ohio — Obama 52, Clinton 44
Texas — Obama 52, Clinton 41
Offers clear and detailed plans:
Ohio — Clinton 57, Obama 47
Texas — Clinton 56, Obama 42
Inspires you about the future?
Ohio — Obama 57, Clinton 47
Texas — Obama 54, Clinton 47
March 4th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
FYI to all the Clinton 49-Obama 46 poll was a Clinton internal for Ohio, not Texas.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
That first set of numbers is who is most likely to beat a republican in Nov.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Haha. None of his West Coast friends have been indicted.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
anon–
I spoke to a precinct captain who was not too upbeat. Are you still predicting a win?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Obama leads in TX among African Americans by 67 points, HRC leads among Hispanics by 29. I think Hillary was hoping for a bigger boost from the hispanic vote, this doesn’t bode well for her.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
From AP:
OPEN TO ALL
The primaries in Ohio, Texas and Vermont were open to all voters, while in Rhode Island registered independents could choose which party’s primary to vote in. In the Democratic primaries, independents were about one in five voters in Ohio, one in four in Texas, a third in Rhode Island and four in 10 in Vermont.
Data for Republican primaries were available only in Ohio and Texas. In Ohio, independents were about one in seven GOP voters, in Texas one in five.
SUPERDELEGATES
Roughly six in 10 Democratic voters Tuesday said “superdelegates” — party leaders and elected officials who get to cast votes at the party nominating convention this summer in Denver — should vote based on results of the primaries and caucuses rather than for the candidate they think has the best chance to win in November.
Even among Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s voters, about half said the superdelegates should follow the results of the primaries and caucuses. Sen. Barack Obama’s supporters were more likely to say so. Clinton is trailing in pledged delegates and depending on how the remaining primaries go, it’s possible her only chance for the nomination is if many superdelegates support her at the Democratic convention.
FRETTING ABOUT THE ECONOMY
The economy was big in Ohio Democratic voters’ minds — six in 10 said it’s the most important issue facing the country, more than said so in any of the other 25 Democratic primaries with exit polls this year. More than half of Rhode Island Democrats and nearly as many in Texas picked the economy as the top issue out of three choices. In Vermont, almost as many voters picked Iraq as the economy — the first Democratic contest this year in which Iraq was considered about as important as the economy.
As in other Democratic primaries this year, few voters Tuesday viewed the nation’s economy positively. But Texas Democrats were relatively optimistic, with one in seven saying the economy is in good condition — as many as have said that in any other state.
THE TRADE TRADE-OFF
A whopping eight in 10 in Ohio’s Democratic primary said international trade takes more jobs from the state than it creates. That was closer to six in 10 in the other three states voting Tuesday.
WORRIED ABOUT FINANCES
Asked how worried they were about their family’s financial situation over the next year, two-thirds of Democratic primary voters in Texas and at least seven in 10 in the other three states said they were very or somewhat worried. Ohio Democrats were most concerned, with four in 10 saying they were very worried.
HAIL TO THE CHIEF
One in seven Obama voters acknowledged Clinton as more qualified to be commander in chief; fewer than one in 20 Clinton voters said that about Obama.
WHO INSPIRES YOU?
Four in 10 Clinton voters in Ohio and Texas said Obama inspires them about the future of the country. Somewhat fewer Clinton voters in Rhode Island but two-thirds in Vermont gave Obama kudos for being inspirational. Obama voters were much less likely to call Clinton inspirational — about a quarter of them said that across the four states.
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Results from partial statewide samples of voters in 40 precincts each in Ohio and Texas and 20 each in Rhode Island and Vermont as well as a telephone survey of early voters in Texas. Fieldwork by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International. Sample sizes ranged from 364 voters in the Rhode Island Democratic primary to 1,453 in the Texas Democratic contest.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Grist for the mill:
Sent: Tue Mar 04 17:18:14 2008 Subject:
Exits 1 and 2 wave RI — 49/49 OH — 49/51
TX — 51/49
First numbers are HRC
TEXAS
CBS News – HRC up 2 or 3 in TX
Fox News – Make up in the electorate is 31% Hispanic (2 to 1 for HRC); 19% African American (82% for Obama). Change is only polling 43% in Texas .
OHIO
Fox News – [O] Down about 2 to 3 in Ohio .
CBS News – [O] Say up about 2 to 3.
BOTH cautioned that the numbers are too close to be reliable.
Fox News – It’s close. Suggestion that he’s doing okay with White woman, maybe as much as 60%. Economy is the most important issue, say 61% Democrats. African Americans… Obama is winning 90%. Change is most important in Ohio .
March 4th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
I throught I read that Obama is pulling in just 67% of the Black vote.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
First Word of Exits For Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island, Vermont
This is interesting. One of my sources has gotten two sets of exit poll results. It’s unclear whether this is different pollsters or, I suspect, different times of day.
For the first set, Obama is up by 2 percent in Ohio, Hillary is up by 2 percent in Texas, Hillary is up by 3 percent in Rhode Island and Obama is up by a 2 to 1 margin in Vermont.
The second set is similarly close – Hillary up by 2 percent in Ohio, the two Democrats tied in Texas, Obama ahead by 2 percent in Rhode Island and a similar 2 to 1 margin in Vermont.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
That was from the National Review
March 4th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
There is a thread on Marc Ambinder’s blog at The Atlanitc where someone is posting “INSIDE SOURCE” leaked exit polling. Problem is, the first set add up to 105% of the vote. I’ll let all you other political junkies evaluate whether they look real. Here’s the link.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/03/early_views_from_the_clintonob.php
March 4th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
From NRo – Campaign Spot.
For the first set, Obama is up by 2 percent in Ohio, Hillary is up by 2 percent in Texas, Hillary is up by 3 percent in Rhode Island and Obama is up by a 2 to 1 margin in Vermont.
The second set is similarly close – Hillary up by 2 percent in Ohio, the two Democrats tied in Texas, Obama ahead by 2 percent in Rhode Island and a similar 2 to 1 margin in Vermont.
You’ll hear more as I learn more.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
I feel sick. Go Obama!
March 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
EXITPILLS PLEASE,
Those numbers in Texas are crazy. If the Hispanic vote is really 31% and AA vote 19%. That would mean the talking heads prediction was backwards, and I mean by a lot.
I will wait to see how it plays out, but that was what I was trying to say through this entire thread. If they show up they can be a hell of a force.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
RI may be a shocker in this one.
Thanks CB – you beat me to that update.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Obama leads among voters under 30 around 67% and HBC leads among voters over 60 around 69%. Since the blue-hairs usually vote more, I’d rather be in Hillary’s position.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Looks like anon has some pretty good info.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Folks, in Ohio INDEPENDENTS ARE NOT PERMITTED TO VOTE FOR CANDIDATES, ONLY ISSUES. Would someone please clarify what they mean in reference to independents in Ohio voting in the primary for either Hillary or Obama? CAN’T DO IT IF REGISTERED AS INDEPENDENT. Unfortunately, not even Ohio voters know this (scary thought) – people claiming they were “denied” right to vote for candidates- they weren’t- they were registered as Independents and as so registered can NEVER VOTE FOR CANDIDATES. (Unless they request change and sign form). So take poll comments about Ohio Independent voters with a HUGE grain of salt! It ain’t happening!
March 4th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Look the trend on intrade site.
Smell not good for HRC
March 4th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
I told you so. Enjoy.
March 4th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Updated Exit polls:
Vermont: Obama 67, Clinton 33
Ohio: Obama 51, Clinton 49
Texas: Obama 51, Clinton 49
Rhode Island: Clinton 49, Obama 49
March 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Anon, it looks like you might be right about tonight. What info. do you have now?
March 4th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
go bless you tina
even If I don’t thunk it’s true
March 4th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Didn’t see these posted:
Texas:
Hispanics: Clinton 64, Obama 35.
Late-deciders: Clinton 66, Obama 34.
Women: Clinton 54, Obama 46.