Here is your thread for Texas exit polls and election results for the Texas primary. We will live-blog throughout the day on March 4th, 2008, for both the Republican and Democrat primary so use this thread to start the dialog. Winners will be posted as soon as we can make the call.
Conventional wisdom is that Barack Obama erased Hillary’s lead and should win. However, Right Pundits detects a resurgence by Hillary Clinton in the state of Texas according to the very latest pre-election polls. We think that the now famous national security advertisement by Hillary Clinton was more effective than people will give credit.
The two-step primary plus caucus system in Texas is confusing everyone. Here is a primer to help you sort it out. When you understand it, please come back and explain it to us.
Experts expect the vote to break along race, gender, and ethnic lines. Despite all of the talk about issues, group identity will play a major role as always. This fact is not a good omen for Obama because the rhetoric does not match the reality.
Finally, what is all of this talk about Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton in Texas? How do Democrats feel about this effort which has been promoted by Rush Limbaugh?
Here are the polls on election eve:
Texas Polls
WFAA Belo (Feb.28 – Mar.1):
- Obama 46%
- Clinton 46%
- McCain 56%
- Huckabee 31%
- Paul 6%
Survey USA (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 48%
- Clinton 49%
- McCain 53%
- Huckabee 36%
- Paul 5%
PPP (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 50%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
Reuters – CSPAN – Zogby (Feb.29 – Mar.2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 47%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
March 4th 2008 Live-blogging Updates:
Texas exit poll data:
(March 4th, 2008.)
12.25 EST: See report below, McCain supporters crossing over to “defeat Hillary today”. Will other Republicans who want to run against Hillary cancel the Houston crossovers out? One thing is certain, there are Republicans crossing over and meddling in the Dem. Primary, whether they’ll caucus is yet to be seen. Stay tuned.
12.15 EST Update: I just got an odd report from someone in the Texas Hillary camp. She’s supposedly running better than expected around Dallas, which is surprising as that’s a heavily black area. When I asked what “better than expected” meant, she said 5-7 points higher. Can anyone decipher this? Does this mean that Hillary is only losing the Black vote 85-15 instead of 90-10??? Does that even matter? I’ll wait for more data as this gal has been off once before, but she sounded kind of excited. She also said Hillary is “cleaning up” in West Texas, which begged the question, Is there anything to “clean up” in West Texas?
12.25 EST Update: Contrary to reports that Republicans are supporting Hillary, I just got another solid report from a Republican organizer (someone in the know) that Republicans in the suburbs south of Houston are making a concerted effort to defeat Hillary now. “We figure we might as well just beat her now so there is no chance she wins in November”. According to Blake, They have organized a somewhat successful Republican get out the vote effort with the battle cry “defeat Hillary today”. He also said that a majority of these voters are McCain supporters. Which makes one wonder what effect, if any, will the crossover vote have on McCain’s margin of victory in Texas. I doubt many of these Republicans will also caucus, they hate Hillary, but not enough to miss dinner to defeat her.
12.45 EST Update: Rush Limbaugh, who has recently been urging Republicans to vote for Hillary so she can “bloody up” Obama some more, is out sick and not on the air today. A talker our of Dallas is sitting in for him.
2 EST Update: FIRST WAVE. These numbers aren’t statewide but a good cross-section. You aren’t going to get our head to head numbers yet as we want to be conservative and make sure they are right, but as Rightpundits told you earlier, the crossover (Republicans meddling in the Dems affairs) is huge. Despite heavy heavy turnout, the crossover vote is still making up somewhere between 5%-8% of the Democratic vote. The crossover vote is coming from the older republican crowd. Of course, one can assume Republicans are really liking the “Rockstar” candidate, but you’d be kidding yourself, these are McCain voters in the general. Here’s another tidbit, about 10% of the Dem primary voters have NEVER voted before and a little more than half have never voted in a primary. Be weary of this first wave of polling if it is reported by other sites, in my opinion, something is messed up with the African-American turnout. Either they all slept in or they didn’t show up. I can’t believe either of those and suspect they are somehow undereported. In other words, Obama’s base (black voters) is definitely going to turn out and the numbers aren’t right.
2.41pm – It really does appear that Hillary is exceeding expectations in the early data. As we always caution, take first waves as they are meant to be, which is a pile of data that has not been properly normalized for known demographics. More in a minute.
3pm – New reports of Obama cheating the caucus system on election day. This story will rage tonight.
3.02 – More on the caucus… remember that ANYONE who voted in the Democrat primary is eligible for the Democrat caucus. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that means thousands of Republicans attempting to manipulate the election will be eligible if they want to take the time. Something tells me that this time, the Democrats will not want to make sure every vote is counted. The media coverage of this mess is going to give the Texas election system a black eye.
3.24 EST – The Obama campaign is preparing it’s surrogates to claim the delegate count on a national scale, and why Clinton, even after doing well in Texas and Ohio, still can’t catch Obama in the delegate count, and that Obama is still the delegate leader and has won the vast majority of the last dozen states. They are also going to downplay Ohio and try to build up delegate count in Texas as opposed to popular vote. I don’t know if this is just worst case scenario planning on Obama’s behalf or a tip of the hand at what their internals are showing.
3.50 EST – Turnout is much higher than any previous primary, but turnout is LOWER than all the pundits were predicting. Most pundits and those in the know thought turnout would exceed 3 million, some even suggesting it would be closer to 3.5 million. Absent a huge surge this evening, the predictions seem to be off. Young African American turnout is 1/3 lower than expected, maybe they’ll show up in the final wave??
4.15 EST – Rumors a swirling that some Obama supporters are not voting in the primary and instead are going to turnout in force at the caucus tonight at 7:15 since Obama is supposed to “do well” in the caucus. The only problem with that line of thinking is that those who didn’t vote in the Dem. primary can’t caucus. Somebody better get that word out to the Obama ground game!
4.30 EST – Mood in Obama camp shifting to subdued. They are lowering expectations this afternoon and talking about the next contests like Hillary did in past days. Obama: “We closed the gap, but you know whether it’s going to be enough to actually win is going to depend on turnout. We know there’s not going to be a huge shift in delegates one way or another — just given the math. Which means that either way we will go to Mississippi or Wyoming next week.”
5.28pm – Independents are 20% of vote in Democratic primary in Ohio. On the GOP side, only 14%.
5.43 EST – Plan on hearing a lot about the overall delegate count from the Obama folks tonight.
6.15 EST – IN TEXAS Among Black Voters Obama 83 Clinton 16, Among Hispanic Voters Clinton 64 Obama 32.
6.50 EST OBAMA +2 in Texas. Well within margin of error.
7 EST Regardless of outcome, Obama folks have been told to talk tonight and tomorrow about the overall delegate count being in favor of Barack.
8:42 EST (Update from Tina)- With 1% +/- OBAMA 467,143 56%
CLINTON 356,470 – 43%9.30 EST I expect Hillary to be a narrow winner in Texas despite her early lead with 2% counted. This is not a formal call, but expect the actual vote numbers to tighten considerably later tonight. (Note that this thread is maintained by multiple analysts who may see the data differently.)
11.30pm – Right Pundits calls Hillary Clinton the winner of the Texas primary as hinted about 2 hours ago. The results are continuing to align with the exit polls. It will be a narrow win but a win nevertheless and don’t forget where you heard it first. Join us in a few minutes for an open thread on the Texas caucus. (call by McCain at 11.30pm)
FYI CNN has exit poll data posted publicly here.
Republican Texas Primary Results (Texas):
Democrat Texas Primary Results (Texas):









March 4th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
I just notice Foxnews has a rolling thing on the bottom of the screen with Exitpoll info. No numbers just saying what group going where. Hillary is Carrying Union household which is one in three of all primary voters.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Can you please be specific about what “much better than expected” means? How much is Hillary up by in the day’s exit polls. let’s here a number, or a range.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
I don’t know how much faith to put in you guys, but this is my first trip to a blog for exit polling data. If a bit crude at times, this is still entertaining as hell.
Thanks
March 4th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
First exit polling for Mark Halperin at Time.
–Self-described independents were about one in five voters in Ohio’s Democratic primary, one in four in Texas, a third in Rhode Island and four in 10 in Vermont.
–In the GOP race in Ohio, independents were about one in seven voters, in Texas one in five.
Advantage: Obama.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Clinton beating Obama in Ohio by 2 to 1.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Ha, Matt! This is my first foray into this as well. It’s the blind leading the blind, but it makes the work day go by faster, so long as the boss never notices…
March 4th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
2 to 1 with Seniors that is.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Paul where did you get that? According to this site, Clinton internal polls have Clinton with a 49-46 edge only.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
I am being completely honest about my connection. Source is VERY VERY close to Obama both professionally and personally.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
thanks for point our the obvious Paul. What happened to anon… are you there… any more info?
I think Obama might just win Ohio. He always comes in behind in the first wave of exits polls and thing swings up big time… anon are you out there?
Thanks.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
2 to 1???? lol your source? please
March 4th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
CB,
It seems that you are too excited. Serenity, I also think Hillary (your candidate) will win the popular vote in Texas. But, I think she will lose the Texas caucus.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Both of those statements are true.
Hidalgo did turn out, as a percentage, higher than other counties and somewhat higher than they did in 2004. Fact.
Other counties turned out at a far higher rate than they did in previous elections. Fact.
Hidalgo beat every other county in absolute numbers for EV in 2004 despite being the 9th largest county in Texas and less and 1/6 the size of the largest county. That’s turning out the vote.
This year Hidalgo was 6th in EV in absolute numbers and less than 1/3 the vote in the highest turnout county, less than 1/2 in two others. It’s very hard to translate that into saying that Hispanic turnout will be as high as in previous elections as a percentage of the voting.
Of course other counties have Hispanics. Bexar has plenty, and of course Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, etc. do. This is Texas. However Texas Hispanics are not a monolithic block vote. If there is a monolithic block vote in the Hispanic community, it’s south of I-10, and even that is showing a lot of signs of fragmenting.
My point was never that the Hispanic vote doesn’t turn out. That would be stupid. My point is 1) that everyone is turning out this year, 2) that based on EV numbers there is no evidence for the idea that Hispanics will be as high a percentage of the vote as in prior years, and a fair bit of counterevidence, and 3) that based on EV numbers there’s a lot of evidence that the rate of AA voters will turn out in increased numbers relative to both Hispanic voters and the general population of the state. I’m not saying Hispanics won’t turn out in record numbers; they will. I’m saying that AA’s and caucasians and everyone else will also turn out in record numbers, and there’s at least reason to believe that the percentage increase in turnout among other groups will be higher than that of Hispanics.
There’s a lot of data to support that both in polling and EV numbers. I haven’t seen any data to support the contrary view. Hispanic-dominated counties always do well in EV, historically. This year, unlike previous years, non-Hispanic-dominated counties have beaten them out. It could be that the early voting numbers in Harris, Dallas, etc are all Hispanic voters as well — but that doesn’t seem likely. And, if it is, it shoots completely the idea that HRC is favored by Hispanics, since all but one poll has indicated a 10%-range edge to Obama in EV, and some have gone up near 20%.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
sorry paul but it’s not 2 to 1, but 3 points for the moment !! we ll see, I don’t trust this kind of predictions… we ll see…
March 4th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Here’s some more exit polling from Time…nothing new here as compared to previos primaries.
Six in 10 Democratic voters in Ohio called the economy their top issue, and 8 in 10 said trade eliminates more job than it creates.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
I’m here. This site is damn slow and my eyes are starting to hurt from looking at my computer screen. Watch RI.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I corrected myself. it was 2 to 1 seniors for Hillary, and 2 to 1 18-29 year olds for Obama.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Matt and Thom,
I found this place the same way. I think it was Florida for me though. That was back when I was supporting Romney. Since I stop by from time to time, and try to piss the one of the admin’s off(MCCAIN).
Speaking of which I have no idea where any of them are, and seem to be the only regular that has been on for most of the day. Although C-Lo, Brian, Milo, Tina, and some others are regular. I don’t know many of the others.
Anyway hope y’all have fun if only for the night. We really have some good debates, and of course if you enjoy stirring the pot it’s great.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Important clarification, Paul.
Also, john and Thom, you are assuming that those Independents are going for Obama. That may be a safe assumption, but I wouldn’t necessarily jump to conclusions. But I sure hope you’re right. And, yes, Thom, this is kinda fun, but it would be a hell of a lot more fun if I knew that Obama was doing well!
March 4th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
CAN WE HAVE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS PLEASE. I AM A BIG BOY, I CAN HANDLE IT.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Milo, it’s Texas so you are damn right I am excited. That doesn’t mean you should jump to conclusions.
I am simply enjoying myself, and breaking down the regions for those that don’t know. If you really think that I am for Hillary than so be it. Just because I won’t support your boy McCain doesn’t make me a fan of Hillary. I am enjoying the process that is taking place in Texas. For someone who enjoys politics it is fun to watch your state be a part of the process for a change. That is even if it is on the Dem side.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Anon, I thought everyone “very very close to Obama” has been indicted on corruption and fraud charges? Has Rezko made bail???
March 4th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Intrade quotes are right at 50/50 and static, I don’t think anyone knows, or even thinks they know anything yet.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Where are you getting those numbers? Are they for Ohio?
March 4th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Fox Exit Polling: This pretty much equals out:
Ohio — Obama 52, Clinton 44
Texas — Obama 52, Clinton 41
Offers clear and detailed plans:
Ohio — Clinton 67, Obama 57
Texas — Clinton 66, Obama 52
Inspires you about the future?
Ohio — Obama 67, Clinton 57
Texas — Obama 64, Clinton 57