Here is your thread for Texas exit polls and election results for the Texas primary. We will live-blog throughout the day on March 4th, 2008, for both the Republican and Democrat primary so use this thread to start the dialog. Winners will be posted as soon as we can make the call.
Conventional wisdom is that Barack Obama erased Hillary’s lead and should win. However, Right Pundits detects a resurgence by Hillary Clinton in the state of Texas according to the very latest pre-election polls. We think that the now famous national security advertisement by Hillary Clinton was more effective than people will give credit.
The two-step primary plus caucus system in Texas is confusing everyone. Here is a primer to help you sort it out. When you understand it, please come back and explain it to us.
Experts expect the vote to break along race, gender, and ethnic lines. Despite all of the talk about issues, group identity will play a major role as always. This fact is not a good omen for Obama because the rhetoric does not match the reality.
Finally, what is all of this talk about Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton in Texas? How do Democrats feel about this effort which has been promoted by Rush Limbaugh?
Here are the polls on election eve:
Texas Polls
WFAA Belo (Feb.28 – Mar.1):
- Obama 46%
- Clinton 46%
- McCain 56%
- Huckabee 31%
- Paul 6%
Survey USA (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 48%
- Clinton 49%
- McCain 53%
- Huckabee 36%
- Paul 5%
PPP (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 50%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
Reuters – CSPAN – Zogby (Feb.29 – Mar.2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 47%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
March 4th 2008 Live-blogging Updates:
Texas exit poll data:
(March 4th, 2008.)
12.25 EST: See report below, McCain supporters crossing over to “defeat Hillary today”. Will other Republicans who want to run against Hillary cancel the Houston crossovers out? One thing is certain, there are Republicans crossing over and meddling in the Dem. Primary, whether they’ll caucus is yet to be seen. Stay tuned.
12.15 EST Update: I just got an odd report from someone in the Texas Hillary camp. She’s supposedly running better than expected around Dallas, which is surprising as that’s a heavily black area. When I asked what “better than expected” meant, she said 5-7 points higher. Can anyone decipher this? Does this mean that Hillary is only losing the Black vote 85-15 instead of 90-10??? Does that even matter? I’ll wait for more data as this gal has been off once before, but she sounded kind of excited. She also said Hillary is “cleaning up” in West Texas, which begged the question, Is there anything to “clean up” in West Texas?
12.25 EST Update: Contrary to reports that Republicans are supporting Hillary, I just got another solid report from a Republican organizer (someone in the know) that Republicans in the suburbs south of Houston are making a concerted effort to defeat Hillary now. “We figure we might as well just beat her now so there is no chance she wins in November”. According to Blake, They have organized a somewhat successful Republican get out the vote effort with the battle cry “defeat Hillary today”. He also said that a majority of these voters are McCain supporters. Which makes one wonder what effect, if any, will the crossover vote have on McCain’s margin of victory in Texas. I doubt many of these Republicans will also caucus, they hate Hillary, but not enough to miss dinner to defeat her.
12.45 EST Update: Rush Limbaugh, who has recently been urging Republicans to vote for Hillary so she can “bloody up” Obama some more, is out sick and not on the air today. A talker our of Dallas is sitting in for him.
2 EST Update: FIRST WAVE. These numbers aren’t statewide but a good cross-section. You aren’t going to get our head to head numbers yet as we want to be conservative and make sure they are right, but as Rightpundits told you earlier, the crossover (Republicans meddling in the Dems affairs) is huge. Despite heavy heavy turnout, the crossover vote is still making up somewhere between 5%-8% of the Democratic vote. The crossover vote is coming from the older republican crowd. Of course, one can assume Republicans are really liking the “Rockstar” candidate, but you’d be kidding yourself, these are McCain voters in the general. Here’s another tidbit, about 10% of the Dem primary voters have NEVER voted before and a little more than half have never voted in a primary. Be weary of this first wave of polling if it is reported by other sites, in my opinion, something is messed up with the African-American turnout. Either they all slept in or they didn’t show up. I can’t believe either of those and suspect they are somehow undereported. In other words, Obama’s base (black voters) is definitely going to turn out and the numbers aren’t right.
2.41pm – It really does appear that Hillary is exceeding expectations in the early data. As we always caution, take first waves as they are meant to be, which is a pile of data that has not been properly normalized for known demographics. More in a minute.
3pm – New reports of Obama cheating the caucus system on election day. This story will rage tonight.
3.02 – More on the caucus… remember that ANYONE who voted in the Democrat primary is eligible for the Democrat caucus. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that means thousands of Republicans attempting to manipulate the election will be eligible if they want to take the time. Something tells me that this time, the Democrats will not want to make sure every vote is counted. The media coverage of this mess is going to give the Texas election system a black eye.
3.24 EST – The Obama campaign is preparing it’s surrogates to claim the delegate count on a national scale, and why Clinton, even after doing well in Texas and Ohio, still can’t catch Obama in the delegate count, and that Obama is still the delegate leader and has won the vast majority of the last dozen states. They are also going to downplay Ohio and try to build up delegate count in Texas as opposed to popular vote. I don’t know if this is just worst case scenario planning on Obama’s behalf or a tip of the hand at what their internals are showing.
3.50 EST – Turnout is much higher than any previous primary, but turnout is LOWER than all the pundits were predicting. Most pundits and those in the know thought turnout would exceed 3 million, some even suggesting it would be closer to 3.5 million. Absent a huge surge this evening, the predictions seem to be off. Young African American turnout is 1/3 lower than expected, maybe they’ll show up in the final wave??
4.15 EST – Rumors a swirling that some Obama supporters are not voting in the primary and instead are going to turnout in force at the caucus tonight at 7:15 since Obama is supposed to “do well” in the caucus. The only problem with that line of thinking is that those who didn’t vote in the Dem. primary can’t caucus. Somebody better get that word out to the Obama ground game!
4.30 EST – Mood in Obama camp shifting to subdued. They are lowering expectations this afternoon and talking about the next contests like Hillary did in past days. Obama: “We closed the gap, but you know whether it’s going to be enough to actually win is going to depend on turnout. We know there’s not going to be a huge shift in delegates one way or another — just given the math. Which means that either way we will go to Mississippi or Wyoming next week.”
5.28pm – Independents are 20% of vote in Democratic primary in Ohio. On the GOP side, only 14%.
5.43 EST – Plan on hearing a lot about the overall delegate count from the Obama folks tonight.
6.15 EST – IN TEXAS Among Black Voters Obama 83 Clinton 16, Among Hispanic Voters Clinton 64 Obama 32.
6.50 EST OBAMA +2 in Texas. Well within margin of error.
7 EST Regardless of outcome, Obama folks have been told to talk tonight and tomorrow about the overall delegate count being in favor of Barack.
8:42 EST (Update from Tina)- With 1% +/- OBAMA 467,143 56%
CLINTON 356,470 – 43%9.30 EST I expect Hillary to be a narrow winner in Texas despite her early lead with 2% counted. This is not a formal call, but expect the actual vote numbers to tighten considerably later tonight. (Note that this thread is maintained by multiple analysts who may see the data differently.)
11.30pm – Right Pundits calls Hillary Clinton the winner of the Texas primary as hinted about 2 hours ago. The results are continuing to align with the exit polls. It will be a narrow win but a win nevertheless and don’t forget where you heard it first. Join us in a few minutes for an open thread on the Texas caucus. (call by McCain at 11.30pm)
FYI CNN has exit poll data posted publicly here.
Republican Texas Primary Results (Texas):
Democrat Texas Primary Results (Texas):









March 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Voters can switch their vote in the caucus.
They just need to have voted in the primary to get in.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Everyone is talking a lot about “sources” and numbers, but I haven’t seen a thing yet.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
question: if it is true that EARLY voting was in Obama’s favor (is it true?), and turnout is lower than expected today, couldn’t that end up benefitting Obama. If Hillary wins today by 6 points but half of the voters voted early and Obama won those voters by 8 points….. Thoughts?
Another thought: maybe Obama supporters are planning to vote late (7pm or so) and then go to the caucus after (grabbing a meal in between) so that don’t have to make 2 trips out. This could lead to undersampling of Obama voters in the first 2/3 of the day. Thoughts?
A useful piece of info would be, as things stand now in the exit polls, what is the horse race looking like? And do the exit polls take account of early voting?
March 4th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Milo, good point. Me using facts about what is happening to combat the Obama crap on this site shows that I am a “clintonite.” Great idea! Did you come up with that all on your own?
I could careless about Clinton. I was simply trying to give my perspective as to what was happening in Texas, but more specific the areas to watch.
It’s amazing that you can have a normal discussion with people like Brian and C-Lo, but then we have the Slow Patrol that comes aboard and makes silly accusations.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
Milo, great thinking. Amazing how people like C-Lo and Brian can have a normal discussion. Then we have the Slow Patrol come aboard the thread and make silly accusations.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
By the way ain’t Texas a split time zone and alot of polls close at 8pm est?
March 4th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
For what it’s worth, this was posted earlier on MSNBC.com “First Read” –
“I have a friend who has access to exit polling data, and it’s showing an Obama double-digit win in Texas, and a narrow victory in Ohio. Of course, it’s still early (Hillary voters may come out late or are waiting for a break in the dismal weather). It also doesn’t take into account the early voting (and it’s been pretty widely reported that early voting in both states favored Obama).”
I don’t know if I believe it, but I sure hope it’s true.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Paul,
Just out by El Paso. There is literally nothing out there besides El Paso. I would think that Hillary would run well there, but who really knows.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Mark my words. If Hillary wins OH and TX, no matter how slim and even if she loses the delegate count in TX, she will call on Obama to drop out of the race.
I suspect that his act is growing old with grown ups.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
GDB–That’s a great point I hadn’t thought of. If Obama does better in the caucus portion as expected, it would make sense that many of his supporters would simply wait to vote until immediately before the caucus.
A question for those in TX: What happens if there are lines when the polls close? Usually if you are in line, you get to vote. But what if the line means you don’t vote until after 7:15? Do they just push back the caucus?
March 4th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Milo–
You are correct. Most of the state is Central, but El Paso, and is Mountain. El Paos is about 65% Hispanic surname.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
no confirmed exit polls out yet but National Review (I know, a right wing site) often has accurate exits… they were calling wisconsin for Obama by a 60-40 margin, so pretty close to actual results
Again, this site was WAY off previously. It makes me suspect they have very few people actually on the ground getting an accurate read of what is going on
March 4th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
That is way off, no way does Obama pull off a double digit win in TX or any win in Ohio.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Drop out? Give me a break? With a 100 delegate lead?
March 4th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Back a bit ago Cracked Base made a comment about Hidalgo County that’s rather misleading. While they’re right about the hispanic population, Hidalgo’s early voting turnout was about double their usual turnout. See the following site for early voting numbers:
Texas Early Voting Totals
Hidalgo did indeed have the highest single-county turnout as a percentage of registered voters. However 5 counties exceeded (in most cases, well exceeded) Hidalgo in total votes: Harris, Dallas, Tarrant, Bexar, and Travis. None of those exceeded Hidalgo in 2004. All of them except perhaps Bexar and maybe Tarrant are likely Obama strongholds.
EV almost certainly favored Obama by a double-digit margin (56-44 is the number commonly thrown around). Today’s about GOTV. If Hidalgo turns out, well and good for them. If not, not. I’m not all that certain that Hispanics are going to be quite the pro-HRC block vote some people think they are anyway.
However, simply stating that a higher percentage of registered voters in Hidalgo voted early doesn’t say anything at all about who wins. If anything, it makes it more likely that Obama does well, since one of the presumptively likely HRC-leaning counties has already used up more voters than e.g. Harris, Dallas, Travis, etc., which are much more likely to lean Obama.
Also, there’s no reason to believe the hispanic vs. AA turnout will remain the same as in prior years. Hidalgo is always a high-turnout county (look at the early voting numbers again) but Harris and Dallas have not been, historically. The previous primary races have not exactly galvanized the AA community in the way this one has.
My bet is a fairly narrow Obama win in the primaries (wider in delegates than popular vote, since the delegate-rich counties look to lean Obama), a wider Obama win in the caucuses and AA turnout up at least into the low-mid 20% range.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
anon, it isn’t about being right. First, I don’t have a dog in the fight on the Dem side of things. Second, I never made any predictions. The only thing that I have done is explain where Obama will have to do well, and have said that it seems Hillary is doing much better here than many were predicting.
I explained the regions of Texas, and how I would expect the voting to breakdown. The only reason I felt that I even needed to explain that to some was because you were being a tad misleading. Maybe that was your intention.
Again it matters little to me whether you are right or wrong. My intention was to explain the voting breakdown. You acted as if Texas is this easy state to predict how the vote would breakdown. That seems hard given the fact that Texas has never held a primary of any importance in a long time. At least not in my lifetime, and the demographics have changed in that very short time.
You also kept saying the Hispanic vote doesn’t turn out, but Hidalgo County proved that thinking wrong. What’s next? My only point was to get some truth out there among you very general and misleading statements. Hopefully for your souces sake they are right because if not that source may want to find another job.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
not a double digit win in TX. Watch RI.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
I really really wish someone could just give us a clue about the exit number so we know if Hillary seems to be winning by 3 or 5 points, or 10 points, or what? That way we can assess whether a shift back toward Obama is possible or not. Can you please share some hints? We know all the caveats.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Shouldn’t there be SOMETHING available by now? Are exit polls being better guarded this time around?
March 4th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
QsL,
Not misleading. They had the highest % of early voters, and that means the Hispanic vote is turning out. If they do that all over the state that is good for Hillary.
It is a small county comapred to places like Harris, but the point was the Hispanic vote was turning out.
This is what I said in that post in response to the Hispanic vote not turning out:
“the largest % of Democratic early voters came from Hidalgo County. That is in the Rio Grande valley where the Hispanic vote is.”
That is a true statement, and not misleading. Here is what the AP said:
“The biggest percentage turnout among Democrats was Hidalgo County, in the predominantly Hispanic Rio Grande Valley, where 18 percent of registered voters cast ballots.”
Get your facts straight. You Dems are some weak sisters.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Compare Hidalgo with four years ago. The turnout difference although their is an increase is not as big of an increase compared to the other counties. Yes, I could write a few pages about the voting breakdown but I have no desire to. My source is gainfully employed and their job is far from being threatened, ever.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
I agree Anon. But I can dream, can’t I?
March 4th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Dear anon,
thanks for your post… I have a question… do you think that Obama will win Texas, Rhode Island and Vermont?
Do you really have a connected source… please be honest. I would just like to get a sense of what will happen tonight. Thanks.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
anon, you miss the point. I wish I could say this is a surprise, but that would be a lie.
If Hidalgo is voting that way that means the Hispanic vote is turning out. If they are turning out like that all over the state they make up a higher % than the AA vote. Your point was that they don’t turn out. In turn I used Hidalgo County to prove my point that they were turning out. I hope that you can follow this simple exercise.
Now it is “Compare Hidalgo with four years ago. The turnout difference although their is an increase is not as big of an increase compared to the other counties.” Well which is it they don’t turnout, or now they do but it’s not as a big of an increase as other counties?
How do you know that the other counties don’t have Hispanics in the early voting? Let me remind you that your point was that the Hispanic vote doesn’t turn out. That was proved wrong by one of the most Hispanic counties having the strongest % turnout among Democrats. Again if that happens all over the state that voting bloc is much bigger than the AA.
March 4th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
From the AP. If this is true, it seems to cut in favor of Obama…
Early exit polls show independents are a sizable chunk of the electorate in presidential primaries in Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Vermont.
In all those states except Rhode Island, Tuesday’s primaries were ”open,” meaning all voters could choose which party’s contest to vote in. In Rhode Island, only registered independents could choose between parties.
The surveys for The Associated Press and television networks found self-described independents were about one in five voters in Ohio’s Democratic primary, one in four in Texas, a third in Rhode Island and four in 10 in Vermont.
Exit poll results for Republican primaries were available only in Ohio and Texas. In Ohio, independents were about one in seven GOP voters, in Texas one in five.
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