Here is your thread for Texas exit polls and election results for the Texas primary. We will live-blog throughout the day on March 4th, 2008, for both the Republican and Democrat primary so use this thread to start the dialog. Winners will be posted as soon as we can make the call.
Conventional wisdom is that Barack Obama erased Hillary’s lead and should win. However, Right Pundits detects a resurgence by Hillary Clinton in the state of Texas according to the very latest pre-election polls. We think that the now famous national security advertisement by Hillary Clinton was more effective than people will give credit.
The two-step primary plus caucus system in Texas is confusing everyone. Here is a primer to help you sort it out. When you understand it, please come back and explain it to us.
Experts expect the vote to break along race, gender, and ethnic lines. Despite all of the talk about issues, group identity will play a major role as always. This fact is not a good omen for Obama because the rhetoric does not match the reality.
Finally, what is all of this talk about Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton in Texas? How do Democrats feel about this effort which has been promoted by Rush Limbaugh?
Here are the polls on election eve:
Texas Polls
WFAA Belo (Feb.28 – Mar.1):
- Obama 46%
- Clinton 46%
- McCain 56%
- Huckabee 31%
- Paul 6%
Survey USA (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 48%
- Clinton 49%
- McCain 53%
- Huckabee 36%
- Paul 5%
PPP (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 50%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
Reuters – CSPAN – Zogby (Feb.29 – Mar.2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 47%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
March 4th 2008 Live-blogging Updates:
Texas exit poll data:
(March 4th, 2008.)
12.25 EST: See report below, McCain supporters crossing over to “defeat Hillary today”. Will other Republicans who want to run against Hillary cancel the Houston crossovers out? One thing is certain, there are Republicans crossing over and meddling in the Dem. Primary, whether they’ll caucus is yet to be seen. Stay tuned.
12.15 EST Update: I just got an odd report from someone in the Texas Hillary camp. She’s supposedly running better than expected around Dallas, which is surprising as that’s a heavily black area. When I asked what “better than expected” meant, she said 5-7 points higher. Can anyone decipher this? Does this mean that Hillary is only losing the Black vote 85-15 instead of 90-10??? Does that even matter? I’ll wait for more data as this gal has been off once before, but she sounded kind of excited. She also said Hillary is “cleaning up” in West Texas, which begged the question, Is there anything to “clean up” in West Texas?
12.25 EST Update: Contrary to reports that Republicans are supporting Hillary, I just got another solid report from a Republican organizer (someone in the know) that Republicans in the suburbs south of Houston are making a concerted effort to defeat Hillary now. “We figure we might as well just beat her now so there is no chance she wins in November”. According to Blake, They have organized a somewhat successful Republican get out the vote effort with the battle cry “defeat Hillary today”. He also said that a majority of these voters are McCain supporters. Which makes one wonder what effect, if any, will the crossover vote have on McCain’s margin of victory in Texas. I doubt many of these Republicans will also caucus, they hate Hillary, but not enough to miss dinner to defeat her.
12.45 EST Update: Rush Limbaugh, who has recently been urging Republicans to vote for Hillary so she can “bloody up” Obama some more, is out sick and not on the air today. A talker our of Dallas is sitting in for him.
2 EST Update: FIRST WAVE. These numbers aren’t statewide but a good cross-section. You aren’t going to get our head to head numbers yet as we want to be conservative and make sure they are right, but as Rightpundits told you earlier, the crossover (Republicans meddling in the Dems affairs) is huge. Despite heavy heavy turnout, the crossover vote is still making up somewhere between 5%-8% of the Democratic vote. The crossover vote is coming from the older republican crowd. Of course, one can assume Republicans are really liking the “Rockstar” candidate, but you’d be kidding yourself, these are McCain voters in the general. Here’s another tidbit, about 10% of the Dem primary voters have NEVER voted before and a little more than half have never voted in a primary. Be weary of this first wave of polling if it is reported by other sites, in my opinion, something is messed up with the African-American turnout. Either they all slept in or they didn’t show up. I can’t believe either of those and suspect they are somehow undereported. In other words, Obama’s base (black voters) is definitely going to turn out and the numbers aren’t right.
2.41pm – It really does appear that Hillary is exceeding expectations in the early data. As we always caution, take first waves as they are meant to be, which is a pile of data that has not been properly normalized for known demographics. More in a minute.
3pm – New reports of Obama cheating the caucus system on election day. This story will rage tonight.
3.02 – More on the caucus… remember that ANYONE who voted in the Democrat primary is eligible for the Democrat caucus. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that means thousands of Republicans attempting to manipulate the election will be eligible if they want to take the time. Something tells me that this time, the Democrats will not want to make sure every vote is counted. The media coverage of this mess is going to give the Texas election system a black eye.
3.24 EST – The Obama campaign is preparing it’s surrogates to claim the delegate count on a national scale, and why Clinton, even after doing well in Texas and Ohio, still can’t catch Obama in the delegate count, and that Obama is still the delegate leader and has won the vast majority of the last dozen states. They are also going to downplay Ohio and try to build up delegate count in Texas as opposed to popular vote. I don’t know if this is just worst case scenario planning on Obama’s behalf or a tip of the hand at what their internals are showing.
3.50 EST – Turnout is much higher than any previous primary, but turnout is LOWER than all the pundits were predicting. Most pundits and those in the know thought turnout would exceed 3 million, some even suggesting it would be closer to 3.5 million. Absent a huge surge this evening, the predictions seem to be off. Young African American turnout is 1/3 lower than expected, maybe they’ll show up in the final wave??
4.15 EST – Rumors a swirling that some Obama supporters are not voting in the primary and instead are going to turnout in force at the caucus tonight at 7:15 since Obama is supposed to “do well” in the caucus. The only problem with that line of thinking is that those who didn’t vote in the Dem. primary can’t caucus. Somebody better get that word out to the Obama ground game!
4.30 EST – Mood in Obama camp shifting to subdued. They are lowering expectations this afternoon and talking about the next contests like Hillary did in past days. Obama: “We closed the gap, but you know whether it’s going to be enough to actually win is going to depend on turnout. We know there’s not going to be a huge shift in delegates one way or another — just given the math. Which means that either way we will go to Mississippi or Wyoming next week.”
5.28pm – Independents are 20% of vote in Democratic primary in Ohio. On the GOP side, only 14%.
5.43 EST – Plan on hearing a lot about the overall delegate count from the Obama folks tonight.
6.15 EST – IN TEXAS Among Black Voters Obama 83 Clinton 16, Among Hispanic Voters Clinton 64 Obama 32.
6.50 EST OBAMA +2 in Texas. Well within margin of error.
7 EST Regardless of outcome, Obama folks have been told to talk tonight and tomorrow about the overall delegate count being in favor of Barack.
8:42 EST (Update from Tina)- With 1% +/- OBAMA 467,143 56%
CLINTON 356,470 – 43%9.30 EST I expect Hillary to be a narrow winner in Texas despite her early lead with 2% counted. This is not a formal call, but expect the actual vote numbers to tighten considerably later tonight. (Note that this thread is maintained by multiple analysts who may see the data differently.)
11.30pm – Right Pundits calls Hillary Clinton the winner of the Texas primary as hinted about 2 hours ago. The results are continuing to align with the exit polls. It will be a narrow win but a win nevertheless and don’t forget where you heard it first. Join us in a few minutes for an open thread on the Texas caucus. (call by McCain at 11.30pm)
FYI CNN has exit poll data posted publicly here.
Republican Texas Primary Results (Texas):
Democrat Texas Primary Results (Texas):









March 4th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Brian, it wouldn’t surprise me at all. In fact I grew up in a place called Clear Lake. That is where NASA is. Basically it was and still is a rather large white area. It has changed a little, but is still mostly white. Earlier in the day I was talking to my dad when he went to vote, and he could not believe how many white voters we lined up to vote in the Democratic primary. He didn’t crossover, and in fact they vote at separate places.
He and my mom had driven by the elementary school were the Dem primary was taking place. Clear Lake was annexed by Houston, but is really a suburb. It is in Harris County. Places like this can make all the difference in the world.
To me the Houston Chronicle was just wrong in predicting that the black vote would be 30% of the Dem primary. Maybe it will be in the end, but that number just seemed really high considering that it has never really gone there before. The fact still remains that if the Hispanic vote gets their butt in gear they can out vote the AA vote.
No one is talking about the Hispanic vote, but I think that they may have actually turned out in this one like I showed in Hidalgo County. If that is the case as well the AA vote is not going to be near the % they predicted. They thought that the AA vote would be larger than the Hispanic it may be that they are wrong.
My point wasn’t to say what is going to happen here, but I felt like Anon was being a tad misleading. This state is just so big and different it is hard to predict.
March 4th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
Cracked:
You may not think much of Obama, that’s fine, but just put this type of behavior in context.
If, for example, the ruling party in Russia was voting to suppress a popular opposition candidate in something akin to a primary, everyone would be up in arms.
Again, you can vote for whomever you want, I’m just uncomfortable with this being the way politics is now played.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Not watergate, whitewater, sorry.
I guess my brain had a dubya.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I don’t think the rumors were a big deal here in Texas. Clinton has always been ahead in Texas, and Obama enjoyed a bounce in the polls from his 11 straight wins or however many it was.
What you are seeing in Texas is Blue Dog/Reagan Democrats coming home. They can’t vote for someone like Obama. His only chance in Texas was along I-45 and East. As well as Travis County, but other than that I wouldn’t expect him to do well at all. You are pretty much talking about metropolitan Houston and Dalls. As I have shown before Houston metro makes up less than 40% of the population in the Greater Houston area. With the areas around Houston holding most of the population, and the voters there tend to be more conservative Hillary was going to run well. Same can be said for Dallas, and anywhere else you go in the state.
You can try and make some excuses now, but I really think she was going to win without the crossover vote. You felt the momentum change here, and I think it had much more to do with people waking up than some “smear” campaign. I agree with you though that the Clintons have some great rumors.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Seems like there is alot of bad news here for Obama. Will he take Texas.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Anon, I like you. I hope and pray that your optimism about Obama’s chances tonight are accurate.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
March 4th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
You are so wrong about the AA vote. Look, AA’s are HUGE in democratic primaries. Latinos are NOT the most reliable nor the biggest voting blocks in Democratic primaries, it is just a fact. You also need to look at the early voting numbers which proves that the latino vote most likely will not outnumber the AA vote in TX. Talk to Glenn Smith for some hard core number crunching and FACTS about AA turnout vs. Latino turnout in democratic primaries. You are wrong on this point. End of discussion.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Ben, and I am sure you felt the same way when it happend for McCain in 2000 and 2004. It has been a huge part of politics in this country for a long time.
Besides you don’t know that these people don’t like Hillary. Some of them are probably genuine. Who am I to judge? Most people on this site know that I am not a McCain fan at all. So how do you know that people like me don’t prefer Hillary? I certainly prefer her over Obama.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
As a Obama supporter, I admit that he had a few missteps in the last few days and Hillary mounted her “my balls are bigger than your balls” campaign. Nonetheless, whatever happens tonight, we Obama supporters will take it like adults and move on. We still have some favorable territory ahead of us and I hope like hell that Obama fights back hard against Clinton.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Ben and co., I believe the Dems set the rules for their primary and they chose open voting thereby allowing anyone to vote in their primary.
And Dems and Soros etc already forced the Repubs to have Mccain – the Dems wanted to run against Mccain and ‘played’ in the Repub election to get it their way.
What’s good the goose…etc.
Barak might win the primary, but I think there are some scandals to come out that will keep him from getting the Nov election — Rezko fund-raisers, the Nafta wink, wink, drug use, association/mentoring by a communist in Hawaii named “Frank” in his book (Frank Marshall Davis of the US Communist Party, backed by Moscow in the cold war days) etc etc
March 4th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
anon, you show your ass with the last post about your knowledge of Texas. The Hispanic vote makes up 25% of registered voters in Texas. The AA vote makes up 19%.
All I said was facts in that regard. Another fact is that the highest Democratic turnout in early voting was in Hidalgo County, which happens to be in the Rio Grande Valley. Amazingly that is Hispanic. Like 88.35% of the population is Hispanic or Latino.
All I have said is if they are turning out than what was predicted for AA vote is not going to be near what they said.
You are just fishing. I have said all along this is a huge state, and hard to figure out. IF the Hispanic vote turns out than your boy is in trouble. No one can say about Texas because we have never had a primary that counts. How can anyone say with any confidence what the Hispanic vote will do in the primary? They can’t because it has never mattered before, and things like immigration reform have not been part of the platform.
Take your weak crap somewhere else, and your silly crap number crunching that means nothing in Texas. Maybe the vote will come out the way you think, but it certainly won’t be because of how people have voted in Texas in the past. This is the first rodeo for Texas as far as a primary actually having importance. You couldn’t predict Texas with any accuracy using historical data. That again is just a fact. If it hasn’t ever happened how do you number crunch and predict? You certainly couldn’t use this state.
That is equal to a football coach watching game film of an opponent that doesn’t have a playbook or game film to study. You can’t be studying anything important. You can make some guesses and look at different things, but you certainly can’t go off anything that was seen last year, the year before, or the year before that. Just silly.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
All of the posters saying that Rush Limbaugh had nothing to do with crossing over and voting for Hillary must be joking. Republicans in Texas don’t wipe their behinds in the bathroom without first checking what Rush Limbaugh thinks about it. There are very few original ideas in the Texas Republican Party. Most of their ideas come from Limbaugh’s radio program, and this “Hillary cross-over” voting trend is no different.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Um…what is all this conjecture based on? Link to results or exits??? I mean for Wisconsin you were all saying tight race on this site with Hillary actually ahead…what is all your conjecture based on this time? Hope your sources are better!
March 4th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
I don’t buy these exit poll results….. if these are so accurate, then why aren’t other sites reporting them?
And if I remember correctly, this site had Hillary winning Wisconsin in the exits 49-46……… I think Obama won handily 58-41
This site is pure crap
March 4th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Are you crazy? Vote Obama. Don’t risk another Clinton in the White House – we all know what she would do to make sure she gets in. Vote her OUT now. McCain will beat Obama, Just get rid of the Clintons.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Can anyone comment on people who remain undecided and are voting for Hillary at the polls but intend to caucus for Barack??? I read another blog which indicated that this was happening. If that is the case, is the original vote discounted, or caucus vote discounted, or how the heck does this work?
March 4th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Hillary Wins !!! Hillary Wins!!! Hillary Wins!!! Still the obama people will claim to have the delegate lead. Not so fast. Add in Hillary’s big win in Florida and Michigan and she takes the lead. Sorry, Obama voters, tricks are for kids. Don’t mess with the Clinton Machine…Just hop aboard the Clinton train …Hillary is the great hope for America…Vote for Hillary for President of the United STates.Thank you !!!!!!!
March 4th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
I wouldn’t being born and raised in Universal City, TX “showing my ass,” we shall see who is right at the end of the night. I am not going to reveal my source who is keeping me updated on what is going on the ground in Texas. Thanks for your words though.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Looks like things are starting to turn around quickly. Obama is blanketing ads all over Texas to get his voters out, and to combat all the “Rush” Republicans voting for Hillary. We may see a huge Texas Obama win this evening.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Let’s be honest- all Obama’s pie in the sky smoke blowing BS is not going to fly in Texas. Too many people with too much common sense. HRC wins Texas now and Mac wins big in November.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
CB is clearly very passionate with his defense of Hillary. I think now we know the truth. CB is a clintonite, not a conservative.
March 4th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Steve – can you give me the websites of other polls?
Waiting anxiously today in NM…
March 4th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
any numbers yet?
March 4th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Go to hell, Bobby. I would never want to board the “Clinton Train.”