Here is your thread for Texas exit polls and election results for the Texas primary. We will live-blog throughout the day on March 4th, 2008, for both the Republican and Democrat primary so use this thread to start the dialog. Winners will be posted as soon as we can make the call.
Conventional wisdom is that Barack Obama erased Hillary’s lead and should win. However, Right Pundits detects a resurgence by Hillary Clinton in the state of Texas according to the very latest pre-election polls. We think that the now famous national security advertisement by Hillary Clinton was more effective than people will give credit.
The two-step primary plus caucus system in Texas is confusing everyone. Here is a primer to help you sort it out. When you understand it, please come back and explain it to us.
Experts expect the vote to break along race, gender, and ethnic lines. Despite all of the talk about issues, group identity will play a major role as always. This fact is not a good omen for Obama because the rhetoric does not match the reality.
Finally, what is all of this talk about Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton in Texas? How do Democrats feel about this effort which has been promoted by Rush Limbaugh?
Here are the polls on election eve:
Texas Polls
WFAA Belo (Feb.28 – Mar.1):
- Obama 46%
- Clinton 46%
- McCain 56%
- Huckabee 31%
- Paul 6%
Survey USA (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 48%
- Clinton 49%
- McCain 53%
- Huckabee 36%
- Paul 5%
PPP (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 50%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
Reuters – CSPAN – Zogby (Feb.29 – Mar.2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 47%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
March 4th 2008 Live-blogging Updates:
Texas exit poll data:
(March 4th, 2008.)
12.25 EST: See report below, McCain supporters crossing over to “defeat Hillary today”. Will other Republicans who want to run against Hillary cancel the Houston crossovers out? One thing is certain, there are Republicans crossing over and meddling in the Dem. Primary, whether they’ll caucus is yet to be seen. Stay tuned.
12.15 EST Update: I just got an odd report from someone in the Texas Hillary camp. She’s supposedly running better than expected around Dallas, which is surprising as that’s a heavily black area. When I asked what “better than expected” meant, she said 5-7 points higher. Can anyone decipher this? Does this mean that Hillary is only losing the Black vote 85-15 instead of 90-10??? Does that even matter? I’ll wait for more data as this gal has been off once before, but she sounded kind of excited. She also said Hillary is “cleaning up” in West Texas, which begged the question, Is there anything to “clean up” in West Texas?
12.25 EST Update: Contrary to reports that Republicans are supporting Hillary, I just got another solid report from a Republican organizer (someone in the know) that Republicans in the suburbs south of Houston are making a concerted effort to defeat Hillary now. “We figure we might as well just beat her now so there is no chance she wins in November”. According to Blake, They have organized a somewhat successful Republican get out the vote effort with the battle cry “defeat Hillary today”. He also said that a majority of these voters are McCain supporters. Which makes one wonder what effect, if any, will the crossover vote have on McCain’s margin of victory in Texas. I doubt many of these Republicans will also caucus, they hate Hillary, but not enough to miss dinner to defeat her.
12.45 EST Update: Rush Limbaugh, who has recently been urging Republicans to vote for Hillary so she can “bloody up” Obama some more, is out sick and not on the air today. A talker our of Dallas is sitting in for him.
2 EST Update: FIRST WAVE. These numbers aren’t statewide but a good cross-section. You aren’t going to get our head to head numbers yet as we want to be conservative and make sure they are right, but as Rightpundits told you earlier, the crossover (Republicans meddling in the Dems affairs) is huge. Despite heavy heavy turnout, the crossover vote is still making up somewhere between 5%-8% of the Democratic vote. The crossover vote is coming from the older republican crowd. Of course, one can assume Republicans are really liking the “Rockstar” candidate, but you’d be kidding yourself, these are McCain voters in the general. Here’s another tidbit, about 10% of the Dem primary voters have NEVER voted before and a little more than half have never voted in a primary. Be weary of this first wave of polling if it is reported by other sites, in my opinion, something is messed up with the African-American turnout. Either they all slept in or they didn’t show up. I can’t believe either of those and suspect they are somehow undereported. In other words, Obama’s base (black voters) is definitely going to turn out and the numbers aren’t right.
2.41pm – It really does appear that Hillary is exceeding expectations in the early data. As we always caution, take first waves as they are meant to be, which is a pile of data that has not been properly normalized for known demographics. More in a minute.
3pm – New reports of Obama cheating the caucus system on election day. This story will rage tonight.
3.02 – More on the caucus… remember that ANYONE who voted in the Democrat primary is eligible for the Democrat caucus. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that means thousands of Republicans attempting to manipulate the election will be eligible if they want to take the time. Something tells me that this time, the Democrats will not want to make sure every vote is counted. The media coverage of this mess is going to give the Texas election system a black eye.
3.24 EST – The Obama campaign is preparing it’s surrogates to claim the delegate count on a national scale, and why Clinton, even after doing well in Texas and Ohio, still can’t catch Obama in the delegate count, and that Obama is still the delegate leader and has won the vast majority of the last dozen states. They are also going to downplay Ohio and try to build up delegate count in Texas as opposed to popular vote. I don’t know if this is just worst case scenario planning on Obama’s behalf or a tip of the hand at what their internals are showing.
3.50 EST – Turnout is much higher than any previous primary, but turnout is LOWER than all the pundits were predicting. Most pundits and those in the know thought turnout would exceed 3 million, some even suggesting it would be closer to 3.5 million. Absent a huge surge this evening, the predictions seem to be off. Young African American turnout is 1/3 lower than expected, maybe they’ll show up in the final wave??
4.15 EST – Rumors a swirling that some Obama supporters are not voting in the primary and instead are going to turnout in force at the caucus tonight at 7:15 since Obama is supposed to “do well” in the caucus. The only problem with that line of thinking is that those who didn’t vote in the Dem. primary can’t caucus. Somebody better get that word out to the Obama ground game!
4.30 EST – Mood in Obama camp shifting to subdued. They are lowering expectations this afternoon and talking about the next contests like Hillary did in past days. Obama: “We closed the gap, but you know whether it’s going to be enough to actually win is going to depend on turnout. We know there’s not going to be a huge shift in delegates one way or another — just given the math. Which means that either way we will go to Mississippi or Wyoming next week.”
5.28pm – Independents are 20% of vote in Democratic primary in Ohio. On the GOP side, only 14%.
5.43 EST – Plan on hearing a lot about the overall delegate count from the Obama folks tonight.
6.15 EST – IN TEXAS Among Black Voters Obama 83 Clinton 16, Among Hispanic Voters Clinton 64 Obama 32.
6.50 EST OBAMA +2 in Texas. Well within margin of error.
7 EST Regardless of outcome, Obama folks have been told to talk tonight and tomorrow about the overall delegate count being in favor of Barack.
8:42 EST (Update from Tina)- With 1% +/- OBAMA 467,143 56%
CLINTON 356,470 – 43%9.30 EST I expect Hillary to be a narrow winner in Texas despite her early lead with 2% counted. This is not a formal call, but expect the actual vote numbers to tighten considerably later tonight. (Note that this thread is maintained by multiple analysts who may see the data differently.)
11.30pm – Right Pundits calls Hillary Clinton the winner of the Texas primary as hinted about 2 hours ago. The results are continuing to align with the exit polls. It will be a narrow win but a win nevertheless and don’t forget where you heard it first. Join us in a few minutes for an open thread on the Texas caucus. (call by McCain at 11.30pm)
FYI CNN has exit poll data posted publicly here.
Republican Texas Primary Results (Texas):
Democrat Texas Primary Results (Texas):









March 4th, 2008 at 11:24 am
He pulls it off in Texas by at least 6%(according to internals) I’m more conservative and think it might be by three but Obama’s camp have conservative guesses as they are the still the underdogs. He’s polling +20 among the latinos under 45 in Texas which is why he is cutting into her base. Ordinary latinos who are not “solid dems” but are more independent, young, and more affluent are voting for him. Also, watch for Ohio. The “muslim” thing, which Barack is ABSOLUTELY NOT,and the NAFTA crap did hurt in OH. He was polling within 2-3% before Canada stepped in which is why he was spending more time there up until two days or so ago. Their confidence in OH has decreased substantially but they think that they can get quite a few delegates and keep Clinton’s count at about +10 to 15. In the words of my source, “it’s all about the delegates, stupid.”
March 4th, 2008 at 11:26 am
I just voted in Dallas. Even though the big cities are Obama-land, I do see more than expected voters for Hillary. If that is the case for Dallas, I imagine South Texas will be much bigger than expected for her. Of course, all this is speculation at this point.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:28 am
AA’s account for a very small % of the vote in Texas. Harris County is the biggest AA community in the state, and they only make up 18.49% of the population. That is compared to 58.73% white, and trust me when I say many of Texas Democrats have said that if the AA’s want to vote that way they can as well.
Texas is much different than other states. I am not predicting anything, but I do think this may be a huge night for Hillary. Many teachers haven’t voted yet, and here in Texas they are in Hillary’s camp. You keep saying wait for the AA vote, but what about the Blue Dogs that haven’t voted yet? They won’t until about 5-6 p.m. central time.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Chuck Todd seems to think that the African American vote will account for 21% or higher of the overall vote totals. I saw one website which showed Obama leading the early voting by 56 to 44. Thus, it would seem that the African American community has probably already voted in such high numbers that the exit polls we’re seeing today would probably show the AA vote as a lower percentage of voters who are just voting today.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:32 am
I think Hillary is going to win clsoe to 10 points. most polls have the Gender Makeup 52% Female, 48% Male. I think that is far to small. Women will make up of 55% or higher today of the vote.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Clint,
Which website?
March 4th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Thom,
I didn’t even know that Limbaugh was saying that until this morning. This was a choice many made to hedge their bet like I have said before. McCain doesn’t ecite them, Obama scares the hell out of them, and they know what they get with the Clintons.
People are doing it for a few reasons. One is thier election isn’t interesting. The second this is that they want to stop Obama because like I said his rhetoric scares the hell out of them. The third thing is that they know what they get with a Clinton. Sure you are going to get some things you don’t like, but you also will get some things you do because they are ruled by polls.
I have heard it more than a few times down here which is people saying you will get the same thing with McCain. McCain doesn’t have a huge base here in Texas. We hated his immigration plan, and we hated how he opposed the Bush tax cuts. He hasn’t done a lot for Texas voters. This is the least excited I have seen Texas Republican voters in a long time, and the reason I think you see so many excited about the chance to vote in a Dem election that matters.
Not only can we influence the vote, but more than that you have a lot of Republicans that won’t say it but they could live with Hillary. Many feel that Obama must be stopped.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Jim, I saw the same thing here in Houston. I was really surprised by the Hillary support.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:36 am
I have been seeing in the little info that has hit the web that turnout is lower than expected among inner city blacks and south Texas Latinos.
I don’t think it’s likely that these 2 groups aren’t going to show up. I think they plan to hit the polls late so they are already where they need to be for the precinct conventions.
If that is the scenario then I wouldn’t want to be a poll worker in TX tonite. Those conventions are going to be crazy.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:37 am
Obama only needed to tie the AA vote with the latino vote to win. Anything higher(even by 1%) he wins. This is regardless of the white vote. He’s going to win.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Whites vote earlier in the day. Minorities later if they haven’t voted during the early vote. AA vote was tied with latino vote in early vote in TX.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:43 am
CB, The report was from an rep. activist and organizer in Katy, TX tied to the oil cos. Republican efforts could be canceling each other out.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Watch for Rhode Island tonight as well. Everyone might be in for a HUGE surprise.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:48 am
If Hillary wins the popular vote in Texas and also wins in Ohio, be prepared for her to take the Mantle of the “front-runner” in a “comeback kid” speech tonight. Trust me on this one!
March 4th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Clint, blacks account for 19% of the states voters. Hispanics make up 25%.
I have heard some people say that as many as 1 in 3 Dem voters will be black. I don’t know why these people are writing off the majority. You know the white vote that accounts for so much of Texas. They are a pretty motivated bunch this time around, and I think that many are going to be surprised.
One other thing that no one is mentioning, and I mean barely anyone is that the Hispanic vote is motivated. They have never capitalized on them being a larger voting block than the AA vote. Tonight may be the difference because lost in all of this early voter turnout is that the largest % of Democratic early voters came from Hidalgo County. That is in the Rio Grande valley where the Hispanic vote is.
Texas is so diverse, and so big that it makes it very hard to predict. In Houston you have Fortune 500 companies, and right outside you have farming and ranching. Out in the panhandle you have cotton farmers, and many other things. On the other side of Houston you have the factories, and the workers from those factories. In Central Texas you have technology. South Texas brings in the Hispanic vote, and on and on it goes.
I would take most of what comes out with a grain of salt. The state is just so damn big, and really diverse that each region will tell you something different. What you do know is that Obama has to run well in Houston, Dallas, the Golden Triangle, and East Texas. If he doesn’t run well up I-45 and East of that he won’t win tonight.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:50 am
He’s doing well in East Texas.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:53 am
anon–
Where are you getting your info? Still feeeling confident about Obama?
March 4th, 2008 at 11:54 am
If Hillary wins the popular vote and Obama picks up the delegates, both will claim victory. More importantly, the Dems will never win in Texas in the general…not this election. McCain will have Bush work for him there, if necessary.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:56 am
anon, most whites in Texas do not vote early in the day on the Democratic side. They show up at night so that they can caucus. It’s pretty simple.
Leave work early, go home and eat, and then go vote and stay at caucus until 8-9.
Texas is different, and you can’t go off of what other states have done. Plus, you don’t have anything to tell you what Texas will do because it has never been included in the process this late. Usually voter turnout is so low, and you have about 15-20 people at these caucus sites. Tonight in places where they have traditionally had 15-20 they are expecting 150-200.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am
The Austin American-Statesman is reporting that a significant number of Republicans are crossing over for Hillary. I think that the “Rush Effect” might be stronger than everyone predicted!
March 4th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Republicans are listening to Rush Limbaugh and coming out in droves in Texas to try to keep Hillary in the race. The indications are that McCain will have a much easier contest defeating Hillary than Obama in the November election. This “anyone can vote” Texas nonsense is hurting the Democratic party big time.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Anon is clearly rooting for Obama! There’s no problem with that so long as we spot his bias, and consider his comments with that in mind. Cracked Base’s comments seems to be in line with where the exit polls are leaning, which are pro-Hillary.
Any word on how the caucuses will affect the numbers? They are complicated, and I’m not sure if the exit polls can accurately reflect the two-step process.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Remember Katrina? That’s playing a role in AA turnout.
March 4th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
One can root for Obama and one can also be seriously in the know. I am both. Also, please don’t assume that “anon” is a male.
March 4th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Reports that Obama-people are cheating?!? That’s crazy. I’m hoping (for the sake of democracy), that those reports are isolated. I have a hard time believing that someone who is on an 11-state winning streak and has the advantage would resort to cheating to get a few more votes.