Here is your thread for Texas exit polls and election results for the Texas primary. We will live-blog throughout the day on March 4th, 2008, for both the Republican and Democrat primary so use this thread to start the dialog. Winners will be posted as soon as we can make the call.
Conventional wisdom is that Barack Obama erased Hillary’s lead and should win. However, Right Pundits detects a resurgence by Hillary Clinton in the state of Texas according to the very latest pre-election polls. We think that the now famous national security advertisement by Hillary Clinton was more effective than people will give credit.
The two-step primary plus caucus system in Texas is confusing everyone. Here is a primer to help you sort it out. When you understand it, please come back and explain it to us.
Experts expect the vote to break along race, gender, and ethnic lines. Despite all of the talk about issues, group identity will play a major role as always. This fact is not a good omen for Obama because the rhetoric does not match the reality.
Finally, what is all of this talk about Republicans voting for Hillary Clinton in Texas? How do Democrats feel about this effort which has been promoted by Rush Limbaugh?
Here are the polls on election eve:
Texas Polls
WFAA Belo (Feb.28 – Mar.1):
- Obama 46%
- Clinton 46%
- McCain 56%
- Huckabee 31%
- Paul 6%
Survey USA (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 48%
- Clinton 49%
- McCain 53%
- Huckabee 36%
- Paul 5%
PPP (Mar. 1-2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 50%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
Reuters – CSPAN – Zogby (Feb.29 – Mar.2):
- Obama 44%
- Clinton 47%
- McCain 50%
- Huckabee 38%
- Paul 6%
March 4th 2008 Live-blogging Updates:
Texas exit poll data:
(March 4th, 2008.)
12.25 EST: See report below, McCain supporters crossing over to “defeat Hillary today”. Will other Republicans who want to run against Hillary cancel the Houston crossovers out? One thing is certain, there are Republicans crossing over and meddling in the Dem. Primary, whether they’ll caucus is yet to be seen. Stay tuned.
12.15 EST Update: I just got an odd report from someone in the Texas Hillary camp. She’s supposedly running better than expected around Dallas, which is surprising as that’s a heavily black area. When I asked what “better than expected” meant, she said 5-7 points higher. Can anyone decipher this? Does this mean that Hillary is only losing the Black vote 85-15 instead of 90-10??? Does that even matter? I’ll wait for more data as this gal has been off once before, but she sounded kind of excited. She also said Hillary is “cleaning up” in West Texas, which begged the question, Is there anything to “clean up” in West Texas?
12.25 EST Update: Contrary to reports that Republicans are supporting Hillary, I just got another solid report from a Republican organizer (someone in the know) that Republicans in the suburbs south of Houston are making a concerted effort to defeat Hillary now. “We figure we might as well just beat her now so there is no chance she wins in November”. According to Blake, They have organized a somewhat successful Republican get out the vote effort with the battle cry “defeat Hillary today”. He also said that a majority of these voters are McCain supporters. Which makes one wonder what effect, if any, will the crossover vote have on McCain’s margin of victory in Texas. I doubt many of these Republicans will also caucus, they hate Hillary, but not enough to miss dinner to defeat her.
12.45 EST Update: Rush Limbaugh, who has recently been urging Republicans to vote for Hillary so she can “bloody up” Obama some more, is out sick and not on the air today. A talker our of Dallas is sitting in for him.
2 EST Update: FIRST WAVE. These numbers aren’t statewide but a good cross-section. You aren’t going to get our head to head numbers yet as we want to be conservative and make sure they are right, but as Rightpundits told you earlier, the crossover (Republicans meddling in the Dems affairs) is huge. Despite heavy heavy turnout, the crossover vote is still making up somewhere between 5%-8% of the Democratic vote. The crossover vote is coming from the older republican crowd. Of course, one can assume Republicans are really liking the “Rockstar” candidate, but you’d be kidding yourself, these are McCain voters in the general. Here’s another tidbit, about 10% of the Dem primary voters have NEVER voted before and a little more than half have never voted in a primary. Be weary of this first wave of polling if it is reported by other sites, in my opinion, something is messed up with the African-American turnout. Either they all slept in or they didn’t show up. I can’t believe either of those and suspect they are somehow undereported. In other words, Obama’s base (black voters) is definitely going to turn out and the numbers aren’t right.
2.41pm – It really does appear that Hillary is exceeding expectations in the early data. As we always caution, take first waves as they are meant to be, which is a pile of data that has not been properly normalized for known demographics. More in a minute.
3pm – New reports of Obama cheating the caucus system on election day. This story will rage tonight.
3.02 – More on the caucus… remember that ANYONE who voted in the Democrat primary is eligible for the Democrat caucus. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, that means thousands of Republicans attempting to manipulate the election will be eligible if they want to take the time. Something tells me that this time, the Democrats will not want to make sure every vote is counted. The media coverage of this mess is going to give the Texas election system a black eye.
3.24 EST – The Obama campaign is preparing it’s surrogates to claim the delegate count on a national scale, and why Clinton, even after doing well in Texas and Ohio, still can’t catch Obama in the delegate count, and that Obama is still the delegate leader and has won the vast majority of the last dozen states. They are also going to downplay Ohio and try to build up delegate count in Texas as opposed to popular vote. I don’t know if this is just worst case scenario planning on Obama’s behalf or a tip of the hand at what their internals are showing.
3.50 EST – Turnout is much higher than any previous primary, but turnout is LOWER than all the pundits were predicting. Most pundits and those in the know thought turnout would exceed 3 million, some even suggesting it would be closer to 3.5 million. Absent a huge surge this evening, the predictions seem to be off. Young African American turnout is 1/3 lower than expected, maybe they’ll show up in the final wave??
4.15 EST – Rumors a swirling that some Obama supporters are not voting in the primary and instead are going to turnout in force at the caucus tonight at 7:15 since Obama is supposed to “do well” in the caucus. The only problem with that line of thinking is that those who didn’t vote in the Dem. primary can’t caucus. Somebody better get that word out to the Obama ground game!
4.30 EST – Mood in Obama camp shifting to subdued. They are lowering expectations this afternoon and talking about the next contests like Hillary did in past days. Obama: “We closed the gap, but you know whether it’s going to be enough to actually win is going to depend on turnout. We know there’s not going to be a huge shift in delegates one way or another — just given the math. Which means that either way we will go to Mississippi or Wyoming next week.”
5.28pm – Independents are 20% of vote in Democratic primary in Ohio. On the GOP side, only 14%.
5.43 EST – Plan on hearing a lot about the overall delegate count from the Obama folks tonight.
6.15 EST – IN TEXAS Among Black Voters Obama 83 Clinton 16, Among Hispanic Voters Clinton 64 Obama 32.
6.50 EST OBAMA +2 in Texas. Well within margin of error.
7 EST Regardless of outcome, Obama folks have been told to talk tonight and tomorrow about the overall delegate count being in favor of Barack.
8:42 EST (Update from Tina)- With 1% +/- OBAMA 467,143 56%
CLINTON 356,470 – 43%9.30 EST I expect Hillary to be a narrow winner in Texas despite her early lead with 2% counted. This is not a formal call, but expect the actual vote numbers to tighten considerably later tonight. (Note that this thread is maintained by multiple analysts who may see the data differently.)
11.30pm – Right Pundits calls Hillary Clinton the winner of the Texas primary as hinted about 2 hours ago. The results are continuing to align with the exit polls. It will be a narrow win but a win nevertheless and don’t forget where you heard it first. Join us in a few minutes for an open thread on the Texas caucus. (call by McCain at 11.30pm)
FYI CNN has exit poll data posted publicly here.
Republican Texas Primary Results (Texas):
Democrat Texas Primary Results (Texas):









March 3rd, 2008 at 11:17 am
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March 3rd, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Most crossovers here in Texas are voting for Hillary. I actually talked to a few people today that have either already done it in early voting, or they are planning on it tomorrow.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Why in heavens name would any sane Republican vote for Obama. He is leading in head-to-head match ups with McCain. The longer Hillary stays in this thing, the uglier things will get amongst the Libs. Never thought I’d say it, but go Hillary!
March 4th, 2008 at 8:37 am
There’s an interesting aspect to Texas, delagates were assigned based on how districts voted in 2004, so the areas where Kerry did well have more delegates than the areas where Bush did well. That translates into predominantly black areas (bush took about half the hispanic votes in 2004).
So even if Clinton wins the popular vote, she’ll have a very difficult time taking the majority of delegates.
March 4th, 2008 at 8:43 am
My R sources – suggest a somewhat sizeable turnout for Hillary. This is weird.
BTM – he’s not winning accross the board against McCain. As of yesterday, McCain was up 5% in the head to head race.
March 4th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Anyone that believes that voting for HIllary is a vote for McCain is seriously sipping the kool-aid. Do you republicans want another Clinton administration?? I mean seriously….. The country may well vote her in over McCain come November so I would SERIOUSLY reevaluate my vote if I were you!!!!
March 4th, 2008 at 10:16 am
She may mean better than expected among whites and hispanics. I doubt they are running better among Blacks. Seriously doubt that. Still I say its going to be Obama +3 in Texas.
March 4th, 2008 at 10:16 am
According to FNC – Obama had a 100,000 vote lead in the early voting in TX. It will be up to the ground game, but if recent polling is correct, Obama may lose.
March 4th, 2008 at 10:23 am
I heard it was closer to 200K lead on Hillary in Early voting. That is hard to make up unless Hillary wins day of voting by 3-5% which I doubt is likely.
March 4th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Yes, why would we want empoyment rates to go up and have a surplus instead of a deficit. What idiots we must be to want another Clinton in the white house!
March 4th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Janet, as I already told you in the other post, the unemployment rate is 4.6%, not only is that virtually full employment (5% of the population is just not employable) but it is also a lower average then the 60s, 70, 80s and (gasp) the 90s. The GDP has grown at a rate of 5.6% per annum, the fastest rate of any industrial country and faster then any period under Clinton. We are not in a recession, a recession is defined by 2 quarters of negative GDP growth, we have not even had 1. Quit drinking your Daily Kos kool-aid and next time come with some facts.
March 4th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Obama will win Texas by at least 8%.
March 4th, 2008 at 10:42 am
My very good source in the Obama camp says internals show him up by 6% in Texas. Partly because of early voting. Hillary can’t overcome him because of early voting. It’s sort of the California effect but reversed.
March 4th, 2008 at 10:44 am
According to FNC infobabe on Greta’s show right now ispredicting a Hillary win…
Uh I think JAnet, you want EMPLOYMENT RATES to go UP. You do not want UNEMPLOYMENT RATES to go Up.
March 4th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I think the big unquantifiable aspect of the Texas race is how many GOP voters cross over and vote for whom. Pollsters only calculate likely democratic voters, it is very difficult for them to quantify the effect (if any) Republicans might have on the race. If the Limbaugh folks take his advice and go out and vote for Hillary, you can throw the polls away, they are meaningless.
With that said, most voters are not really strategic voters, they just vote based upon their gut, so I imagine the GOP effect will be slight if any. I predict Obama wins by 4% and cleans up in the caucuses (cauci??).
March 4th, 2008 at 10:51 am
According to Insider Advantage, Clinton was way ahead in early voting:
“Moreover, in an entirely separate survey that we conducted of early voters, Clinton led by a 55%-to-43% margin.”
I don’t know if Insider Advantage is accurate, however.
Can the people who say that Obama won early voting please post sources so we can compare?
March 4th, 2008 at 10:59 am
sources for early voting: rasmussen, zogby, belo. Insider Advantage has been crap. I also invite you to check out Al’s blog at ruralvotes.com He knows what he is talking about when it comes to Texas.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Thanks, Anon!
March 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
AA voters after 4pm. Crossovers who think Hillary is weaker(a la Rush) but at the end of the day realize its feels so much better voting AGAINST her.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:08 am
I voted today here in Texas.
The weather is amazing here, and there are a ton of voters. I live in the suburbs of Houston, and I just have to say about 2-3 days ago you just felt a swing to Clinton. I don’t know if it was the 3am ad or what, but I think she may end up winning Texas.
I know a ton of Republicans who are crossing over to vote for Hillary, and it just might be the difference. For some reason the national media seems to think these people are voting for Obama, but nothing could be further from the truth. They said there was no hard numbers yet on the early voting here in Texas, but they thought it would end up being about 8% of the early voters were crossovers to the Democrats. If this is true I think that Hillary is going to win by a decent margin.
She should run strong in South Texas, West Texas, the suburbs of Houston, and the same could be said for the areas surrounding Dallas. Most of these areas tend to be very conservative, and have a lot of Blue Dog Democrats. I just don’t see Obama running that well in these areas. Austin will be big for Obama. If it doesn’t go big for Obama I don’t see how he wins Texas. The rural areas will all go to Hillary.
Remember that Bill ran well in Texas, and that was especially true in 1996. I just get a feel from the Texas Democrats that they aren’t ready for this thing to be over.
The momentum seems to be behind Hillary right now. Also, Dan Rather has a very good beat for what happens in Texas, and he seemed to feel much of the same way this morning on Morning Joe. The only thing he really said was that Hillary had gained some momentum. I think/get the feeling she is going to have a big night tonight.
Obama will carry inner city Houston and Dallas, and look how he does out in East Texas. If those areas are closer than expected it will be a long night for Obama. Harris County will be huge. That is the most populated county in Texas, and it includes Houston and much of the greater Houston area. I think many are expecting Obama to carry this, but the difference may be the surrounding areas of Houston.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:09 am
AA’s also voted in record numbers in the early vote. They are going to show up, not to worry.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:11 am
He has cut into her numbers with the latino vote-roughly 10%.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:14 am
anon–
You seem to know what you’re talking about. Do you think Obama pulls it off in Texas, and what are the reasons? Sources?
March 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
I just read your live blogging, and could not disagree more with the report you got from the south part of Houston. First, I am pretty in tune with a lot that happens in this area, and if I am being honest this is the first time I have heard of this defeat Hillary now.
The truth is that most Texans feel like a Democrat is going to win the nomination, and are much more comfortable with her than Obama. That is a fact here in Texas. Again look at the love Clinton got from Texans. It isn’t McCain voters as much as people want to say this. In fact a large group that I know doing it and that will caucus tonight are young voters, and most have said they will not vote for McCain or Clinton in the general.
What people in Texas are doing is hedging their bet. Obama could be a disaster for the Republican party, and could leave the Dems in power for quite sometime. Hillary would most likely be a 1 term President, and no one understands triangulation like the Clintons. They are ruled by polls, and so the Republicans will have some victories under a Clinton administration. McCain has done nothing to motivate them, and most feel like he doesn’t have a shot in the general.
So what do you do? You try and put Hillary against McCain in the general. It’s a called winning either way.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Why would republicans cross-over for Hillary in such a wide margin, Cracked Base? Is it the Limbaugh endorsement? It seems crazy to me that Texas conservatives would follow Limbaugh (or any radio host) in large numbers to vote for a candidate they don’t believe in, but then, maybe I don’t know Texas very well.