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Yeah, hes out in 4 years so why should he pander to voters ?
Wrong question.
Theres actually no question at all.
He owes Americas green section.
They’ll make no money if we continue to use oil at even lower prices.
Who cares if people freeze or bake to death because of out of reach energy prices ?
The French are famous for this kind of bullsht where a few decades ago they artificially raised the cost of fossil fuel energy in order to steer folks to green energy over bullsht environmental concerns.
Hundreds who couldnt afford to run their ACs, or buy one, mostly seniors, the have nots, died.

Yeah well Logan, the gerbil warming hysteria has infected even the most conservative opportunists as capitalism has infected devout gerbil warming gurus such as Gore.
Originally established in 1990 under Bush as “admissions trading” cap n trade was meant to curb acid rain and not used to steer the public to green energy as much as it was to limit fossil fuels use.
Either way, whichever government institution implements these forces on people and the market it will always be a bad idea.
I seem to remember a certain president also saying; “coal would skyrocket- Energy Prices Will Skyrocket Under My Cap and Trade Plan”- told the San Francisco Chronicle he will “bankrupt the coal industry”
And theres another president, the biggest enemy of fossil fuels known to convenient truths.
Had no problem offing his outlet to Al Jazeera for a cool 80 million in crude bucks.
I guess that foreign oil aint so bad after all.
Gas continues to rise and liberals seem to have no problems in ruining an economy as long as the process makes them feel good all under.

Logan, you’ve never struck me as particularly bright in you political assessments but more of a hack focusing on spin rather than substance. Obviously, you’re right at home here and the envy of your cohorts.

You want to pretend that Keystone would create 1000s of jobs although that’s been debunked repeatedly, fine. I understand that just as I understand your ilk still loves selling snake oil like ACA has death panels out to euthanize grandma and down syndrome babies or that Bush saved the economy from Clinton’s ruin only for Obama to crash it or that Saddam really did have WMD or that Romney and Ryan really did run an honest campaign or that the GOP has made honest efforts at job creation and on and on and on.

Invoking Hoeven’s “The real question then, Mr. President, is: Are you going to respect the will and wisdom of a majority of the American people and approve the Keystone XL pipeline, or are you going to submit to the will of vocal special interest groups” pegs out the hypocrisy meter.

TAP TAP TAP!!!! HELLO!!!! The GOP has built their entire empire on disrespecting the will of American people while submitting to the will of special interest groups, on every front and in every case. That’s who they are. On almost every relevant issue today the GOP is ignoring the overwhelming will of American people because they’re submitting to special interests. This is true on gun control-people want it but the NRA won’t allow it. Minimum wage-a proven success with overwhelming support from voters but the GOP is more interested in protecting special interests profits. The same with raising taxes on billionaires. The very Tea Party is a product funded and ran by special interest groups and is dominating GOP’s decisions. The sequester could be worked out if it weren’t for special interests protected by the GOP in order to continue to be corporate welfare recipients. The entire Bush era was kowtowing and legislating for special interest groups. Remember Dick Cheney’s infamous “so”? Their “drunken spending spree” tenure catered to special interest groups much against the will and wisdom of American voters.

Maybe, just maybe the reason the GOP is spiraling down the toilet is because they have become way too submissive to special interests while disrespecting American people. It seems the middle class feel that way and I don’t think women or minorities are too keen on them. It seems like the rich folks are all they really cater to. Now, that’s a maybe. But your 1000s of jobs from Keystone is just the same old bullcrap that the GOP shoves down the electorate’s throats while trying to cater to the special interests groups it will benefit.

Your “I’m rubber you’re glue” argumentative skills is really all you have.

Well Logan, obviously you failed to improve your image of not being the sharpest knife in the drawer of political debaters. The Keystone XL will provide thousands of jobs because, well, it says so on the Internet? Your link contains a lot of misleading info such as the 118000 job spin-off. That number came from TransCanada stock which just so happens to be owned by key pipeline supporters such as Rep. Michael McCaul, Sen. Thad Cochran, Judy Biggert (R-IL), and Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY). What a coincidence? WoPo Factcheckers gave that claim 2 Pinocchios by the way. A Cornell University study said only 500 to 1,400 temporary jobs would be created.

Moving right along and as mentioned, you want to stand behind some belief that Clinton ruined the economy, GWB pulled it out of ruin to put it on “solid ground” and then Obama crashed it, help yourself to that fantasy.

If you want to totally ignore the recent National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health study that found Tea Party’s anti-tax movement backdated to the 1980s when tobacco companies were facing excise taxes and health scrutiny, fine. And if you want to pretend Americans for Prosperity and Freedomwork (both now supporting the tobacco industries and both heavily funded by David Kochs)never played a role or financially assisted the TP, it’s you corner and you chair so you just be whatever you want to be.

And somewhere in your defense for the GOP being special interests loyalist, that’s ok because of Code Pink and Moveon.com? ? ? You good with that or you want a redo?

After reading your illogical writings one gets a need to go and wash the stupid off. But as you say (in 4th grade fashion) you’re rubber and I’m glue. Obviously you win.

“Robert reliably initiates every conversation with attacks on peoples intellect.”

Yeahm it struck me as odd at first too Micky, but a few days ago in my philosophy class, we discussed ad hominem (where you descredit someones argument by discrediting them). I think it was David Hume or Immanuel Kant who came up with the theory, but I’m not sure. It’s a cop out basically, but to each his own I guess.

“If you’re going to continue wit Ron I suggest you take some dramamine to keep from puking on yourself”
Haha wonder where I can find some over-the-counter of that stuff.

To hold my comments in moderation for hours or days while you cast your weak tea stones is not only typical but validates the profound cowardliness that I’ve accused you of being.

I think folks like McCain should walk around wearing tiny mustaches.

“Well Logan, obviously you failed to improve your image of not being the sharpest knife in the drawer of political debaters.” ad hominem Ron You have to try something new. I find it easy to prove someone to be stupid, when I put words into their mouths and falsify data, but you Ron don’t even seem like you’re trying!

“The Keystone XL will provide thousands of jobs because, well, it says so on the Internet? Your link contains a lot of misleading info such as the 118000 job spin-off.” Did you even read the link? NPR at the bottom cedes a final 5,000-6,000 jobs created. But that’s only a direct number, doesn’t include jobs form spinoffs.

“A Cornell University study said only 500 to 1,400 temporary jobs would be created.” I know the study you’re refering to, and thats the number of permanent jobs your citing. Nice try though.

“Moving right along and as mentioned, you want to stand behind some belief that Clinton ruined the economy, GWB pulled it out of ruin to put it on “solid ground” and then Obama crashed it, help yourself to that fantasy. ” I’m not sure if you noticed Ron, but when I did, and when I do respond to what you’re saying, I put exactly what you said. You on the otherhand come up with wild ideas of what you think I might have said, and then say that I said them, instead of saying what I said. Get it? When did I say Clinton ruined the economy? When did I say Bush pulled it out from Clinton? (He pulled it out from 9/11), and when did I say that Obama crashed it? (he sure has made it worse).

“If you want to totally ignore the recent National Cancer Institute of the National Institute of Health study that found Tea Party’s anti-tax movement backdated to the 1980s when tobacco companies were facing excise taxes and health scrutiny, fine. And if you want to pretend Americans for Prosperity and Freedomwork (both now supporting the tobacco industries and both heavily funded by David Kochs)never played a role or financially assisted the TP, it’s you corner and you chair so you just be whatever you want to be.” I think I’d like a link to these “studies” please Ron, because my BS meter is going crazy.

“And somewhere in your defense for the GOP being special interests loyalist, that’s ok because of Code Pink and Moveon.com? ? ? You good with that or you want a redo?” You once again throw words in my mouth. Special interests, are people. They are made up of people that want to see certain things done. I was trying to get you to realize (unsuccessfully apparently), that Dems also have special interest groups. Right now Obama doesn’t want to sign in the Keystone pipeline, for one reason being green activist backlash.

“After reading your illogical writings one gets a need to go and wash the stupid off. But as you say (in 4th grade fashion) you’re rubber and I’m glue. Obviously you win.”

It must make you particularly mad that Micky called out exactly what you were going to do.
” And there we have it.
Heads up Logan.
Robert reliably initiates every conversation with attacks on peoples intellect.
The issues in his posts, mostly opinion, have been repeated by him to everyone here once before, and decimated by guys like Andy and myself.
He never could answer up to the fact that Saddam confessed to the FBI he intentionally made it appear as if he WMD.
He will bash your source on the Keystone pipelines employment numbers with nothing to substantiate it.
The man rarely submits sources backing his crap.”

Hm. You mad Ron?

To be honest Logan, I find your twisted rants more humorous than irritating so no, I’m not mad nor am I angry.

Time has been pretty valuable lately so I’m not going into a longwinded reply. Your 5th paragraph of wanting me to provide links to verify Americans for Prosperity, Freedomworks, David Kochs, or the tobacco industry’s role in the Tea Party’s funding is rather telling of your entire response. Instead of acknowledging the argument or defending the claim, you pretend it doesn’t exist or simply something I made of.

So here’s my question. Are you seriously that ignorant on the argument and have no knowledge of the corporate and financial influence? Or could it be Logan that you’re simply passing the buck in order to evasively slip away from facing the argument in you rubber/glue game? I’d surmise the latter. And really, that very cowardly evasiveness is present in just about each of your arguments. Copy, paste, and respond with some non sequitur gibberish.

So again, are you really that ignorant on Tea Party funding or are you running from something?

And on a last note, based on Micky’s manipulated rules that immunes him from banishment, is it allowed to refer to the Tea Party as Teabagers considering there’s a dropped a “g” and it’s misspelled? I mean, isn’t that equally fair or is it simply contingent on what makes you guys “mad”?

This Guy Says:

“I think folks like McCain should walk around wearing tiny mustaches.”

Another Best Thinking Thinker enters the fray.

I think you should walk around wearing a diaper on your face.

Ignorance really is bliss then eh Ron?

What if I told you that big foot was real? Woudl you believe me or would you ask me for some solid proof? You liberals think that if oyu say a lie loud enough and often enough, then it will become true. Believe it or not your “honest” word doesn’t really count for anything. So unless you show me some sort of proof that the tea party is funded by big business like you suppose, there is no reason in the world to argue you on the point. You wouldn’t argue with me that big foot is real would you?

Is ignorance bliss or an excuse that the dog ate your homework? I’m not sure if you’re denying that the Koch’s are the financial engine of the Tea Party or if you simply don’t want to acknowledge it because it conflicts with your agenda, using a rather weak tea excuse of “unless you show me some sort of proof that the tea party is funded by big business like you suppose, there is no reason in the world to argue you on the point”. You ignored my reference of the National Cancer Institute on the recent tobacco issue so in reality, you’re simply covering your ears and singing “la la la” and only finding credibility in your own mind. I think it’s rather obvious that any proof will be rejected simply because you don’t want to admit it, as is evident in most of your mimicking and sophomoric responses.

Take your defense in promoting the “death panel” gibberish in #7 paragraph 4. Your rebuttal was a “grandma should just take a pain pill” quote from Obama that was taken out of context, a quote where he gave a hypothetical example of the elderly being forced to choose between a pill or surgery, and distorted by a linked right wing hack blog. This claim failed the smell test of several factcheckers. And your link, in your mind, has to be factual because???? And this justifies the “death panel” lies how???

In paragraph 6 you seem to vindicate the Romney/Ryan team from my accusations of running a dishonest campaign because “it wasn’t Obama’s campaign that said that Romney killed a man’s wife”. That disproves nothing. And this is perhaps why my patience may appear to run thin with you, because I’m simply not a big fan of stupid. Your responses are simply a familiar distraction played by many bloggers when their gibberish fails to stand up to scrutiny; dissect, copy and paste each line, and then respond with some off the wall non sequitur sillyness.
In your distraction, you still come up short in proving your own “1000s of jobs” claim while doing nothing to discredit mine. As I mentioned, Transcanada (TRP), the energy giant bidding to build the pipeline and owned by prominent lawmakers who I’ve mentioned, claimed it would create 20,000 permanent jobs. John Boehner made the claim it would create 100K jobs (there’s plenty on Google or your favorite search engine to validate that). You can also search Cornell University Global Labor Institute’s study as they did find only 500 to 1,400 TEMPORARY construction jobs AND it may actually destroy more jobs than it generates.
But this is old news just as the fact that “death panels” was a lie, just like Americans for Prosperity and Freedomwork are both heavily funded by the Kochs and play a huge role in the Tea Party funding and administration, just as Romney ran one of the most misleading and dishonest campaigns in American history, and just as Americans are not supportive of GOP initiatives as they cater mainly to special interests with misleading benefits for the middle class. And the Keystone XL is a prime example of that. You may not like that, you may run from that or you may just want to pound sand but it doesn’t change reality.

Ron, your projecting yourself on me. “I think it’s rather obvious that any proof will be rejected simply because you don’t want to admit it, as is evident in most of your mimicking and sophomoric responses.” Have you shown me any actual eveidence of Romney dishonest campaign. No? hm.

You missed my point entirely on where the death panels idea came from. Obamas own mouth. But we took him out of context, just like we took the “you didn’t build that” thing out of context right?

Because you simply whine, your baseless accusations do not suddenly become true. Sorry.

Alright, let me go into detail on why your Cornell Univery study is pure hogwash.

A study done by the Energy Policy Research Foundation has found that “the
Keystone expansion would provide net economic benefits from improved efficiencies in both the
transportation and processing of crude oil of $100 million-$600 million annually, in addition to an
immediate boost in construction employment.” The Cornell articles main beef with this, is that it has not been revievewed by an outside source. And then they do not go on to review it themselves.

The idea that it will actually get rid of jobs is pure garbage. To make this idea of job destruction happen, the Cornell writers say that gas prices will go up because of the pipeline, because they are as equally affected by world events as oil from the Middle east. However they fail to mention that the slight oil price raise in the immediate vicinity of Cushing Oklahoma only, will be because the overstock of oil there will be expedited to the shor upon completion. I owe this conclusion to Edwin Slade form the Creighton Law Review, December 1st, 2012. Slade goes on to say how though gas prices will be unaffected, it will increase security by bringing oil from the middleeast to the gulf.

The Cornell study in fact, relies most on the “certainty” that the environmental impact will bu huge. With oil spills being frequent in the Nebraska Sand Hills. However, the only issue that Cornell has with this is that there is not a simple detour around them. Which TransCanada has already submitted an application that goes around them.

The Cornell study bases almost no job creation loss in the actual oil that is transported, but puts it all on the possible environmental impact, which has already been solved.

The 500 to 1400 jobs created is just utter garbage. The Pipeline will give more than $5 billion in prperty taxes to the sates it goes through and the Federal government. (Here’s more revenue Ron! And it’s from evil corporations!) The entire project is projected at $7 billion, with most of it going directly into the American economy.

Anything else Ronald?

Okay, enough of your bullsht Ron.

“The 500 to 1400 jobs created is just utter garbage. The Pipeline will give more than $5 billion in prperty (sic) taxes to the”

First of all, when you first mentioned this you said;

“A Cornell University study said only 500 to 1,400 temporary jobs would be created.”

To which I replied;

“It takes permanent jobs to maintain a pipeline genius.
And far more than 500 or even 1400″

The point you put forth, whether Cornell is right or not, is irrelevant, which makes it garbage because it takes permanent positions to maintain the pipeline for what will be generations to come if ever completed.

“and find some unhinged hack site to back it up, that means that “death panels” indeed exist because Obama said so, or something, which makes no sense.”

Actually death panels have existed since health insurance existed except they’re called claims adjusters.

If you can afford insurance that will pay for benefits and claims regardless of any circumstances you will never be subjected to panels discussing cost vs benefits regarding your treatment.
If you seriously believe that the government can offer infinite infinite non-subjective healthcare for every citizen regardless of revenues limitations you’re just plain stooooopid.
The question is …who would you rather have masking those decisions ?
The government ?
We enter a very very dangerous era if we allow any government, conservative or liberal, to start dictating who gets life saving treatment, when and where.

Keystone is an environmental argument.
Environmentalists are at the root of approval being held back, not economists.
Only a moron would argue it wont create meaningful levels of employment.