How ironic that the new January 2013 Jobs Report states that the national unemployment average, the U-3 rate, increased to 7.9% just one day after Barack Obama failed to renew the charter for his Jobs Council. The Labor Department released its figures compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and only an estimated 157,000 jobs were added in January. Hardly enough to keep up with population growth. Most of the non-farm jobs created in January were in the retail, construction, mining and health sectors. The largest decline was in the transportation sector, with manufacturing and other sectors remaining essentially flat. The Civilian Labor Force only added about 143,000 to the ranks of job holders and seekers, keeping the labor participation rate steady at 63.6%. The average work hours for those lucky enough to be employed remained steady at 34.4 hours per week and wages increased a whopping $0.04 per hour. The overall U-6 unemployment rate also held steady at 14.4%.
While the Obama Administration tries to point the finger of blame for the 4th Quarter contraction of the GDP on Hurricane Sandy and Republicans, the real blame lies within his own White House. The many failures of Obama in dealing with the economy are piling up. As I noted yesterday, the monthly Consumer Confidence Study issued by the Conference Board showed a marked decline from 66.7% in December to 58.6% in January. Fears of job security stem mainly from the implications of ObamaCare mandates as businesses adjust to meet the requirements under the Affordable Care Act laws. Small businesses will be very shy to hire more than 50 workers while larger companies review their policies on providing health insurance. Even the major labor unions are now requesting waivers to ObamaCare, realizing that their insurance costs will increase dramatically.
And yet, a mass of Low Information Voters returned this boob of a president to the White House for another four years! There was no credible evidence that Obama was making any headway in resolving our economic problems. After his first four years, adding an additional $5.8 Trillion dollars to the National Debt, spending a record high average of $3.6 Trillion dollars per year (40% more than George W. Bush′s average of $2.5 Trillion), we have little progress to show. Obama said many times that he spends everyday working on improving employment, but there is absolutely no evidence of that. Even the St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank is now warning that the National Debt has become a genuine drag on the economy, but Obama refuses to accept the realities of his free-spending ways.
So now the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that the national average unemployment rate has increased to 7.9%. The Labor Department issued its January 2013 Jobs Report this morning just one day after the Barack Obama White House disbanded its Jobs Council. Not that they did anything anyway! They had not even met for a year since Obama was too busy campaigning to save his own job to be bothered with getting America working again. The Obama Administration proves the old saying that as long as they have their jobs, there is no recession, no depression. Too bad the rest of the country cannot share in their comfort!
February 1st, 2013 at 9:55 am
Your entire argument seems based on some “Consumer Confidence Study issued by the Conference Board”. Would that be THE Confidence Board or some confidence board of your own making? You come up short on specifics. Perhaps you’re referring to the National Industrial Conference Board or NICB? It’s hard to say as you seem to have a phobia or such of links, references, or pretty much any qualifiers for your claims. One can only guess.
But what one doesn’t have to guess at is the blatant ignorance and/or dishonesty in your spew. The 4th Quarter contraction of the GDP was a direct result of Republican policy which was shoved down the electorate’s throats, which damaged our credit rating, which was all done with an admission of unseating Obama, which they soundly rejected in the last election, which I gave you overwhelming references to, which you chose to ignore, only to regurgitate your same debunked nonsense perhaps in hopes that some fool will believe you. To claim otherwise is an abject denial of reality.
Seriously Andrew, you’re sounding dumber than a box full of Mickys.
February 1st, 2013 at 10:18 am
Of course, overspending by the tune of over a trillion a year, increased regulations, no budget for 4 years and looming taxes and increased expenses in government programs has absolutely nothing, nothing, nothing to do with the economy struggling to create new jobs.
February 1st, 2013 at 10:50 am
“The 4th Quarter contraction of the GDP was a direct result of Republican policy which was shoved down the electorate’s throats,”
You’re too much.
You btch about the authors lack of sources/links and then you yourself have nothing to back up the blame you place on the right.
“Seriously Andrew, you’re sounding dumber than a box full of Mickys.”
If I’m so fcking dumb why dont you stop hiding and prove it ?
I’ll tell you why.
Everytime you’ve decided to try and debate me I crank it up just a notch, (thats all it takes) get a little more astute,and hand your ass to you using bookoo sources and irrefutable historical facts to which you end up arguing against with nothing more than opinion
You’re fcking dumb that you have no idea how much you sound like Obamas personal pocket pu$$y.
As far as you’re concerned, the man has never done one thing wrong.
You calling me stupid is quite rich considering you’ve never displayed one original thought ever.
Your philosophy is about as retarded and simple minded as it gets.
“Obama good.
Republicans bad”
“Ungha bungha”
You have no idea what a fckin pathetic tool you are
February 1st, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Ronald must work for Axelrod. What he is saying is illogical. All the problems this country is having is direct results from Obama’s policies.
Obama wants the economy to slow and go negative. The left want to punish and wipe out responsible humans that do not believe or except their lies.
This 1984 language that Obama and Ronald use is to fool the useful idiots. They get angry at those who do not believe their lies.
The present economy cannot keep up with the young adults ready to enter the job market. Obama and the left help desolve 8 1/2 million jobs in the US. These job do not exsist any more. When anyone points that out they become angry when the truth is revealed. The left want me to except their lies and not to believe my lieing eyes.
February 1st, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Don’t try to teach a Marxist about economics.
February 1st, 2013 at 4:41 pm
This just in as of market close today.
Below is a quote from Reuters and is largely comprised of these things called “facts”.
I did something similar the other day and they were labeled as “lies” (even though they were merely a summary of economic indicators).
As Joe Friday said, “Just the facts, Ma’am.”
Momentum can be a funny thing and the economy can be influenced. If our GDP takes a minor leap this year our fiscal problems start to ease. Scream spending all you want, but a major component of our fiscal problems were lack of revenues due to stalled economy.
Of course, if our economy does improve I am certain I will hear, “Econimies are cyclical and this was bound to happen”.
I hope this makes everyone a little happier today:
“Stocks took off on Friday, and the Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU +1.08%) closed above 14,000 for the first time since October 2007 as investors cheered a decent jobs report and improvements in U.S. manufacturing and consumer confidence.
The market rally was set off by Friday’s jobs report, which estimated that employers added 157,000 jobs in January, although the unemployment rate moved up slightly to 7.9% from 7.8% in December. Revisions showed that job gains in November and December were stronger than originally thought.
The market gains put the Dow up 6.9% for the year, with the S&P 500 up 6.1%. The Nasdaq is up 5.2%. The Dow finished January up 5.8%, its best January since 1994. The S&P 500’s 5% gain was its best for a January since 1997.
A solid market rally became a big rally after when the Institute for Supply Management said its January index of manufacturing rose to 53.1 from 50.7 in December. Analysts had expected a reading of 50.7.
And the University of Michigan’s second reading of consumer sentiment showed a rebound to 73.8 from 71.3. Economists had expected the index to reach only 71.5.
Auto sales for January were strong. Chrysler reported a 16% gain. Ford Motor (F +0.54%) sales were up 22%, and General Motors (GM +0.28%) sales added 22%. Toyota (TM +2.89%) said its January sales jumped 26%.”
February 1st, 2013 at 4:49 pm
“Obama wants the economy to slow and go negative. The left want to punish and wipe out responsible humans that do not believe or except their lies.”
You’re kidding right? Why would anyone want to do that?
Once a week you seem to write that Obama wants to ruin America on purpose, punish people and then suggest that anyone that is not on the far-right are “useful idiots”.
Again, why would Obama, or anyone for that matter, want to ruin America? Punish whom, and why?
Well of course, since he is a Muslim from Kenya…
Just out of curiosity, ask some people that own businesses. Those that have survived the recession are telling me everyday that business is starting to improve and this is in housing, auto parts manufacturing and even the restaurant business and I am in Detroit so I can only imagine that other places are doing better.
February 1st, 2013 at 6:20 pm
“Again, why would Obama, or anyone for that matter, want to ruin America? Punish whom, and why?”
Thats a fair question.
You could answer it for yourself if you were honest enough to take the total of his comments and see the context they conclude.
First, only because he used the exact phrase “punish your enemies”
That quote was in direct relation to other American citizens who also would be anyone not voting along Latino interests.
As Joe Friday said; “just the facts ma’am”.
Who cant forget one of his first boasted intentions.
“we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.”
He never made it clear exactly what this meant.
One can argue that even though many sectors have recieved punishment in various forms we dont know if it was intentional or just a collateral effect of his idiocy.
Regardless, many Americans from gun owners to media outlets to policemen to small businesses and large corporations have felt punished by many various means of action on Obamas part.
One would like to think that he knows what hes doing so we’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say at least one of the above was intentionally punished only because Obama does in fact have friends (some he called “mentors”) from Ayers to a few others who have condoned, preached and attempted the destruction and punishment of capitalist America.
To lean additional financial obligations and fees/taxes/fines/penalties/regulations against anyone or group for reaching a certain income or profit bracket can only be seen as a deterent to success which in most intellectually honest circles is only viewed as punishment.
True, progressive taxation is a spawn of both parties but Obama takes the prize hands down by being victim of his own quoted wish to “spread the wealth” and setting his sights on successful Americans by demoralizing and demonizing them as the culprits of our economic woes, therefor its only logical he would feel those being successful/rich must pay retribution.
Better known as “punishment”.
And lets not forget the winner…
“AT SOME POINT YOU’VE MADE ENOUGH MONEY”
What better way to have an economy “slow and go negative” as Sue says, than to have a president say hes feels there should be limits to ones income or goals ?
The rest of your post is ridiculous.
Any investor worth his salt does not base “daily” results of the stock market as an indicator of the markets behavior for any substantial term any more than that day.
All that your boasting is pretty irrelevant as its simple to see that as far down as our economy has gone its only rational that a few sectors have no other direction to go but up.
All you brag about and none of it even begins to have any positive impact on the things that will continue to makes this growth the slowest ever unable to keep up with population growth never mind the massive debt and deficits we have, which according to the left can only be solved by even more taxation and more spending on useless government interventions.
Six trillion dollars and four and half years later were no better off, and actually worse off except for those sectors who picked up the slack brought by loses to those in the same markets.
Of course retail food sales rise when no one can afford McDonalds anymore.
More people are eating at home.
With that example, please stop insulting our intelligence by pointing to rises in volume in sectors that only obtained that rise by others sinking as some example of success on Obamas part.
February 1st, 2013 at 6:39 pm
“Just out of curiosity, ask some people that own businesses. ”
I have, and only one out of about 10 has anything good to say.
Of course, you’re one of them.
You stated before that you’ll hit the mother-load when Obamacare is fully implemented.
Meanwhile many other areas of the healthcare industry have raised prices way past normal rates of inflation due to anticipation of losses resulting from mandates and regulations that are already law or will be by 2014.
And also in anticipation of those that will flock to “free healthcare”.I have no doubt that those providers receiving most of the governments business will be those with doctors who got on stage with Barry and said how great universal government mandated healthcare will be.
I’d rather have a capitalist rationing my healthcare than some politician.
The capitalist only cares about the money.
That involves only one obstacle.
The politician, especially the liberal, will use Obamacare as a means to apply his version of social justice, and wealth redistribution which involves a huge spectrum of obstacles.
February 1st, 2013 at 8:30 pm
How did we hurt gun owners, media outlets or even policeman (unless of course you mean laying them off dut to governmental cost cutting)?
Where did I brag?
Again, I merely cited figures that are over a period of time, not “daily”.
It took us more than five years, but the broadest measure of the U.S. stock market finally closed at an all-time high today. The Wilshire 5000 finished the day at 15,878.72. The previous high close came on October 9, 2007 at 15,806.69.
Again, I didn’t say the economy was great, but I did cite “facts” (or as you call it, bragging) that indicate a positive trend.
Wilshire, Dow, Nasdaq, S & P, (that helps people with mutual funds, pension funds, union funds, etc., etc), consumer confidence, auto sales and manufacturing.
I thought these were good things. My mistake.
February 1st, 2013 at 8:35 pm
“And also in anticipation of those that will flock to “free healthcare”.I have no doubt that those providers receiving most of the governments business will be those with doctors who got on stage with Barry and said how great universal government mandated healthcare will be.”
That simply is not the way it works. It goes to a bid, simple as that.
February 1st, 2013 at 8:50 pm
When you hate the president more than you love America, no progress is a good thing.
February 1st, 2013 at 9:38 pm
I love America more than I hate Barry.
I could never hate him as much as I love my country.
Because I love my country, not its leaders.
“That simply is not the way it works. It goes to a bid, simple as that.”
Simply brilliant, because I say so.
Wise up.
Any siting president cant determine whether a job is up for bid or not. Ya’ll pitched a fit over Halliburton, remember ?
“How did we hurt gun owners, media outlets or even policeman (unless of course you mean laying them off dut to governmental cost cutting)?”
The left, in general, bragged.
Gun owners were characterized as clinging to religion and their guns.
Cops were characterized as acting stupid and made to drink beer with racist professors.
Fox, the Whine house attempted to leave them out of briefing(s)
Citizen excercising free speech jailed why Benghazi murderers go free.
Please Buzz, I defined punishment pretty damn well in a few forms.
Your question was answered.
Period
February 1st, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Sue says; “Ronald”,
“All the problems this country is having is direct results from Obama’s policies”.
“Obama wants the economy to slow and go negative”.
“The left want to punish and wipe out responsible humans”.
“Obama and the left help desolve 8 1/2 million jobs in the US”.
Patrick responds with “Don’t try to teach a Marxist about economics”.
The disturbing thing is that these folks honestly think they’re rational.
February 2nd, 2013 at 12:46 am
“All the problems this country is having is direct results from Obama’s policies”. – Perhaps not all, but Obama’s policies are certainly not helping.
“Obama wants the economy to slow and go negative”. I concede that maybe it’s not on purpose. But the thought that it’s pure incompetence is too scary.
“The left want to punish and wipe out responsible humans”.- I don’t think so, because then they’d run out of others’ money.
“Obama and the left help desolve 8 1/2 million jobs in the US”. – Of course it’s wrong. It’s “helped dissolve”.
“Don’t try to teach a Marxist about economics”. – I don’t agree either. Where there’s life, there’s still hope.
The disturbing thing is that these folks honestly think they’re rational. – If by rational you mean understanding how we can spend our way out of debt, then I have no hope but to be irrational.
February 2nd, 2013 at 6:54 am
First, @Ronald…,
While I disagree that the entire premise for my article is a report from THE Conference Board, their index on consumer confidence does show a sharp decline.
http://www.conference-board.org/data/consumerconfidence.cfm
As for the 4Q contraction, this nonsense about Hurricane Sandy can be disproved mathematically. Let us say, for simplicity sake, that our GDP is about $16 Trillion annually, which is close to the truth. So each quarter, one would expect an average of about $4 Trillion dollars.
According to most insurance analysis of the cost of Sandy, the impact on the economy was around $60-80 Billion dollars. Let us go with $80 Billion. 80 divided by 4,000 (in Billions of dollars) equals 0.02, or 2%. Hardly enough to qualify as the primary cause of the 4Q contraction.
As for the Republicans and the Fiscal Cliff ’scare’, who is truly to blame for that? Obama and the Democrats run the White House and the Senate. If they actually negotiated in good faith, then our worries would be over. But they don’t! Reid won’t touch anything that spells B-U-D-G-E-T and Obama keeps moving the goal posts around. First he wants $800 Billion in new revenue, then when the GOP agrees, he demands $1.2 Trillion. We are not going to solve anything with actions like that.
February 2nd, 2013 at 7:00 am
@Buzz,
As I said the other day in a comment on the GDP thread, Wall Street always likes bad jobs reports. I’ve been watching the markets for decades and just about any time there are big lay-offs announced by a company, their stock gets a big bump.
So it does not surprise me that there was a big gain yesterday that pushed the Dow above 14,000. Funny that for much of the past four years all we hear is about how different Wall Street is from ‘Main Street’. How disconnected the two are. But now, you want to put them neatly together in lock-step as a sign to show how wonderful Obama-nomics are.
February 2nd, 2013 at 9:11 am
I think I included much more than just the stock market, but also cited some of the underlying reasons.
I play in a golf league where 90% of the members are employed by auto parts manufacturers. They all tell me that they have business booked for the next 2 to 3 years. The work is for the Big 3, but also Honda, Mercedes, VW, Toyota etc., because there have been a number of plants built in the U.S. over the last decade.
Why? Because that is how the auto industry now operates. Of course, Jeep is expected to make all of their cars in Ohio and ship them overseas. Sure that would dramatically increase their price and make their products cost-prohibitive, but at least those jobs would be in America for a few months before it becomes obvious that they are overpriced.
Dow Industrial Average for Clinton’s first term + 111%
Dow Industrial Average for Clinton’s second term + 55%
Dow Industrial Average for Bush’s first term -1%
Dow Industrial Average for Bush’s second term –24%
Dow Industrial Average for Obama’s first term + 60%
As of Feb. 1st 2013 14,009
Main street is different than Wall Street, but as I mentioned, much of America is in invested in Wall Street through various means.
In other words, this is not a “bad” thing.
Of course, the market will not continue to go straight up and, in reality, since it has gone up quite steadily for years, it is due for a considerable correction and a round of profit-taking.
So in a few weeks you can all say, “Na, na, na, na, na.”
February 2nd, 2013 at 9:12 am
I disagree with your premise.
“Marxist”.
February 2nd, 2013 at 11:13 am
Ronald;
“The disturbing thing is that these folks honestly think they’re rational.”
That means nothing coming from you…
a man who cant find one thing wrong with Obama.
And please, dont all of a sudden bless us with your critique of his taste in shoes or dogs or some irrelevant crap.
Since you blessed us with your presence I’ve noticed you’ve never offered one disparaging word issued to Obamas performance, ever.
Buzz, the last time the stock market hit this note was in 97.
And what happened right after that ?
“I play in a golf league where 90% of the members are employed by auto parts manufacturers. They all tell me that they have business booked for the next 2 to 3 years. ”
BFD.
Everyone has a car and will for the 2-3 years.
Problem is, the bump in car sales is mostly attributed to foreign cars, Toyota especially.
True, the majority of those are American jobs but uts not helpful to Americas bottom line as it were if GM or Chrysler made enough to clear their tab and get tax payers their money back.
I mean really, if the prez is going to lie about GM making a roaring comeback when GMs sales are one of the easiest to track and everyone knows they’re still loosing money then what else would he lie about ?
Please, stop assuming everyone is dumb enough to buy your sht.
It makes you look dumber than you think we are.
For every positive note you’ve got any simpleton could blow ten to its contrary.
Your personal stories are kind of irrelevant.
I know a guy who builds coffins in Connecticut and just saw a boom in baby coffins.
So what ?
February 2nd, 2013 at 11:22 am
I wish people on the left would just emasculate themselves. Anyone supporting this regime is anti-freedom & would serve
America and the rest of the world well by leaving. There are many foreign countries implimenting their retarded ideas and failing in grand fashion. They probably wouldn’t take them though. There are only so many productive people to rob.
February 2nd, 2013 at 11:45 am
Craig, odd coming from one who is in the party which only believes in equal freedoms, if you’re a white heterosexual Christian male.
Face it, the GOP is becoming a relic of the past, a great thing for progress. We’ve all heard your corporations over people ideas, your anti-woman, anti-homosexual policy ideas, your attempts to force religion into schools, etc. We’ve all seen your gerrymandering and redistricting tactics, your attempts to change the rules so you guys can be relevant again at the expense of our democracy, but with any luck you guys will continue to fall despite these tactics as your party continues its downward spiral into complete and utter irrelevancy. It’s okay though, this is what’s best for America.
February 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Ronald, I’m not sure that I would classify your Marxism as irrational. The main problem has always been that the labor theory of value is plain wrong, and everything else is based on it. Faulty assumptions yes, irrational no.
February 2nd, 2013 at 1:15 pm
“I wish people on the left would just emasculate themselves. Anyone supporting this regime is anti-freedom & would serve
America and the rest of the world well by leaving.”
Oh, the old, “America, love it or leave it bumper sticker”.
Considering the people who would embrace that rhetoric are now in the vast minority, who exactly should be leaving?
I love it, support the second amendment at all costs, but if people employ free speech they should leave?
February 2nd, 2013 at 1:26 pm
“Auto sales for January were strong. Chrysler reported a 16% gain. Ford Motor (F +0.54%) sales were up 22%, and General Motors (GM +0.28%) sales added 22%. Toyota (TM +2.89%) said its January sales jumped 26%.”
You must have missed this part of the quote and also how they are also making substantial profits, with the only drag being slower European sales.
So by the right’s logic we should have let GM and Chrysler perish (Bob Lutz, a staunch conservative laughs when people suggest there was anywhere but the government to go to for financing) and foreign car manufacturers are “not helpful to America’s bottom line”. Well then I suppose America should simply not be in the auto industry (even though it is the country’s largest private employer as an industry).
Lastly, just because we have a difference of opinion does not render me dumb, a simpleton or whatever name calling you have chosen for the day. I am none of those things.
As far as my “personal stories”, I rarely use them unless it is directly relevant and being in Michigan does offer insight into the auto industry.
You don’t think it is an example of “pot calling the kettle black” when you have been posting your autobiography here for years.
February 2nd, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Snow, why you always the first to defend gays ?
“Craig, odd coming from one who is in the party which only believes in equal freedoms, if you’re a white heterosexual Christian male.
“Face it, the GOP is becoming a relic of the past, a great thing for progress.”
Progress ?
Every fcking retard in both parties has said the same thing every 4-8 years.
Actually, if the last 30-40 years are any example of executive power you’re partys on the losing end.
“We’ve all heard your corporations over people ideas, your anti-woman, anti-homosexual policy ideas, your attempts to force religion into schools, etc.”
What a bunch of crap.
Corporations are people.
When laws are broken people in those corporations go to jail.
I lean right, I could care less what you fck.
But if you think you deserve some special treatment for those choices then you’ll get special treatment not always wanted.
Wha’d the guy at the DMV say to the cripple and the gay ?
“You want equality ?
Get to the end of the line sweety”.
” We’ve all seen your gerrymandering and redistricting tactics”
Awww STFU !
This administration, promising to be the most transparent has hid and gerrymandered more crap than any other before and issued more restriction/regulation than any before and beyond any past levels of yearly added regulation !!!!!!!!
” , your attempts to change the rules so you guys can be relevant again at the expense of our democracy,”
ARE YOU FCKING SERIOUS ?
REALLY ?
This coming from a member of the party whos leader says to “punish other Americans,at some point you’ve made enough money, and overidesthe congressional democratic process involving the second amendment with 23 executive orders in one shot ?
R E A L L Y ?,
“but with any luck you guys will continue to fall despite these tactics as your party continues its downward spiral into complete and utter irrelevancy. It’s okay though, this is what’s best for America.”
Have another hit ass hole.
The countrys been in decline and continues the worst downward spiral since the 30s and since you tried to fix it.
I swear, some people thing they just blab any rhetorical crap and think they’re looking smart.
You sound like some rabid relicfrom the 60s.
If all your work for minorities, women and gays has been such a huge success then wtf are you btching about ?
Because no matter how much progress anyone makes for any of these minorities the left will always have to “gerrymander” up some crap scenario to make them appear as victims in order to create or sustain levels of government dependency and a pandered electorate.
Its not that hard to figure out.
Its all you ass holes how to do.
20 kids got killed by some lunatic, most mass shootings are done with handguns and extra stock clips, so Biden leads the campaign to ban assault weapons and then says it probably wont help after his boos implements 23 executive orders to new gun regulation that do far does nothing to mental health issues…
… waste of parents grief, our money, and everyones time, But not wasted grandstanding.
seriously man, what on earth is wrong with you people ?
February 2nd, 2013 at 2:14 pm
“Oh, the old, “America, love it or leave it bumper sticker”.
Ohhh gawd ! would everyone shut up on this one ?
Everyone says it.
“Considering the people who would embrace that rhetoric are now in the vast minority, who exactly should be leaving?”
“Vast” would be lie.
And since you’re the liberal champion of minorities shouldnt you be coming to the rescue of a minority ?
Or do you just pick the minorities aligned with your party ?
And the you contradict yourself by posing the question “who should be leaving”?
I thought the question of anyone leaving, was out of the question ?
But you can ask if its a republican minority ?
If I ask, say or suggest, THEN ITS A “BUMPER STICKER” ?
How retarded is that ?
“I love it, support the second amendment at all costs, but if people employ free speech they should leave?”
Newsflash grasshopper.
The first and second have been defended at all costs.
Thats not the point.
If you’re so damn unhappy then why do you stay ?
I remember well.
All the critics of Barry have been asked by enough lunatic leftists to leave if they didnt like what was being said or done, so its really a retarded argument.
February 2nd, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Patrick, I’ve long dismissed your Marxism comments just the same as I’ve dismissed Micky’s lunacy. My point in post # 14 was to point out your lapdog endorsement of Sue’s illogical rants. How does one even attempt to rationalize with that?
Andy, you blaming the GDP drop on Dems is simply wrong. It’s a product of the very austerity policies that you and Tea Partiers promote. The Bureau of Economic Analysis found that fed gov consumption spending and gross investment was down 15% n the 4th quarter compared to +9.5% in the 3rd, national defense was -22.2% compared to +12.9%, non defense +1.4% to a previous +3% and real state and local government consumption expenditures and gross investment -.7% compared to a +.3%. Yet at the same time, non residential investment and business investment were all up.
Macroeconomic Advisers predicts the sequester will shrink .7%of GDP growth this year. The Bipartisan Policy Center predicts it will kill over 1 million jobs. Center for American Progress economist Adam Hersh says “we will have slower economic growth and job creation this year and in the future” as a result.
And as I’ve mentioned, Republicans continues to filibuster the American Jobs Act which would create anywhere from 1 to 3 million jobs and boost the GDP anywhere from 1.5 to 2.5%.
You and your cohorts continue to ignore reality while insisting on having it both ways.
February 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Ron, you’re a real fckin punk.
Picking on Sue.
Shes just posting an opinion thats as rational if not more rational than your’re running around trying to defend every single move Obama makes.
Whats truly irrational is your attempts to defend and paint in a good light the most mishandled economy of our time.
WHATS TRULY IRRATIONAL IS YOU THINKING YOU LOOK GOOD ATTACKING HER.
You call me a lunatic, thats fine. The difference is that I know I’m a nut.
You on the other hand, you’re incredibly flawed and yet have not one ounce of humility or self depreciation, and you’re not aware of it at all.
Any intellectually honest gentleman knows exactly what Sues trying to say and doesnt pounce on those who dont pretend to be a seasoned pundit, engage in ostentatious astuteness, but is just your average American calling it like she sees it.
SHAME ON YOU !
Especially since its no secret that Sue does not debate, but simply posts and gets it off her chest.
You make me sick.
February 2nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
And you’re also a plagiarist who lifts others work without giving credit or even acknowledging with quotation marks.
“Macroeconomic Advisers predicts the sequester will shrink .7%of GDP growth this year. The Bipartisan Policy Center predicts it will kill over 1 million jobs. Center for American Progress economist Adam Hersh says “we will have slower economic growth and job creation this year and in the future” as a result.”
IS FOUND RIGHT HERE
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/30/1514311/weak-gdp-report-spending-cuts/?mobile=nc
February 3rd, 2013 at 8:10 am
Hey Buzz,
Seems that 8 major retailers are planning on closing hundreds of their stores nationwide. Yep, that consumer confidence is really high! Higher than me after the Space Bong!
February 3rd, 2013 at 9:16 am
Hey Buzz,
“Seems that 8 major retailers are planning on closing hundreds of their stores nationwide. Yep, that consumer confidence is really high! Higher than me after the Space Bong!”
Things change.
Blockbuster is closing a lot of stores, while I can’t imagine why they would keep one open.
Sears and JC Penney may not make it to the end of the year, simply because they don’t offer anything unique.
Barnes and Noble is closing stores. Wow, what a surprise; it turns out you can buy books online.
Best Buy is upset because their stores are now merely showrooms and people talk to a salesperson for half an hour and then buy the merchandise right there on there phone.
Business isn’t necessarily disappearing, but moving.
I am just wondering why your comment seemed to have an element of glee. A smiley face?
I would rather our economy improves and I am wrong about everything.
February 3rd, 2013 at 9:50 am
No, Buzz, I posted a smiley face because your arguments are in error.
Barnes & Noble’s main competitor is Amazon, which experienced a dip in sales and profits last quarter. Who is taking up the slack for Sears and JCP? Wal-Mart did not have a really great 4Q. You over-looked Office Depot and Office Max declining. Staples already has been closing outlets. Where is the slack going?
Right out Obama’s window!
February 3rd, 2013 at 9:52 am
Thanks for the comments Micky. It’s funny how you can put a few verifiable facts in play, and then witness the rhetorically voluminous(meaningless) dispatches of the left lurching demographic of people who probably can’t even dress themselves. Throw in a fact or two & watch ‘em implode. They won’t see it though.
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:01 am
They could do better than leaving America; maybe build them some lunar section 8 projects. Hell they don’t need oxygen ’cause a real democrat(liberal) is true blue. The color asphyxiated people turn to.
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:13 am
And one more thing; why does the left get by with saying things like progressive, gay, stimulus… the list goes on and on. It’s painfully obvious the don’t have a dictionary. It seems to me that the context they use them in would give Freud a headache. “What’s their damage doc?” “The hell if I know.”
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:20 am
Right Craig, it’s best safe in your own little world, plugged into the tube, wearing tin foil helmets. Trust me, you’re much safer there.
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:53 am
Well Craig, I myself many time shave wished liberals off the face of the planet, never mind leave the country.
But, upon reflection realized that up til about 15 years ago I myself was one of those idealistic fools who grew up and saw the benefits of conservatism.
I dont think anyone shouldbe asked to leave because of their views but then again it only makes sense to leave if you’re so freekin unhappy.
And of course we have to realize that those who eventually do change their views will just be more votes for the right come election day.
They’re worth keeping around for more than just being an example of what you should not do with an economy, but also what you should not do with people.
Free speech is a wonderful thing in that its inherent property is not that just of a freedom, but that it serves as a mechanism to expose the ass holes before they get too far.
Thank God for free speech, or we’d never see them coming.
As far as Ron goes.
Hes just another liberal hung up on appearances, style, not substance.
Any fool can dress up his comments with cherry picked facts from the few sources showing our economy is better than ever since dickhead was elected.
I used to argue these economic debates using the same myriad of percentages and numbers as if somehow anyone could fix this economy based on mathematical correctness.
While its true the left doesnt seem to understand the simple principle of keeping expenditures less than income, the reasoning is actually due to a moral that dictates everyones property..is everyone elses property.
Sure, any fool can point to improvements in some sectors but with true adult context cannot show the economy as a whole improving at all.
In the present environment jumps in one sector are only because of drops in another.
One can say that car sales are up but by not including the fact that moped, scooter, and bicycle sales have risen dramatically more than auto sales in the last 6 years, they are simply mislead, stupid, or blissful by ignorance.
Of course their are upward trends.
Just how low are we supposed to go ?
And still, those trends amount to nothing more than a gnat on the ass of an elephant.
Buzz asks us to talk to business people he plays golf with so we can see the light.
I ask that instead we ask families and homemakers at the supermarket. Thats where the real answers are at.
February 3rd, 2013 at 11:08 am
“Right Craig, it’s best safe in your own little world, plugged into the tube, wearing tin foil helmets. Trust me, you’re much safer there.”
This coming from a party that thinks assault weapons (redundant, all weapons “assault”)are the problem, passes all kinds of law by executive order, and then their no. 2 “put ya’ll back in chains” says it prolly wont help.
This coming from those who elected a marxist who says “at some point,you’ve made enough money”.
This coming from the party that thinks Bush is an idiot but got 21 countries to enter on a conspiracy over WMD and took out the Trade Towers with no witnesses.
This coming from the party who directs Homeland security to prepare for zombies.
And then Snow suggests were victims of the tube, when the tube is all liberal trash a sit is.
Tin foil ?
Hah !
Whats on your head ? Obama cheeks ?
February 3rd, 2013 at 1:35 pm
“I ask that instead we ask families and homemakers at the supermarket. Thats where the real answers are at.”
What good are answers to you when you continue to ignore them unless they support your agenda? The folks you mentioned spoke loud and clear with their answers in November.
February 3rd, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Ronald, you ignorant slut.
The people at the supermarket reflect a much wider spectrum of examples than Buzzs buddies on the golf coarse.
Certainly even you should understand this.(dont say I never said anything nice about you)
Its hard to propel any personal agenda with a platform consisting of input from every possible demographic there is.
Everyone eats.
Not everyone plays golf with auto part execs.
February 3rd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
“The folks you mentioned spoke loud and clear with their answers in November.”
Yes, I spoke to people from all political persuasions.
Those who spoke loud n clear are the same people who did not mind the high cost of feeding their families since they do not pay for their food.
February 3rd, 2013 at 3:02 pm
These people at the “golf course” are people that work or are recently retired from factory jobs at either the Big 3 or auto suppliers.
That was the original basis of the league that started in 1935.
This isn’t Bushwood; it is a local municipal course where the rate is $10 a round if you walk.
Why isn’t their opinion valid? Because they play golf?
I was allowed in because I did work on the assembly line many years ago, but still had to be “vouched” for to gain entry.
90% of the league participants spent their lifetime in the auto industry.
In other words, if you drive a foreign car, best not to park it in the lot.
Do they have additional insight into the state of auto manufacturing? I would say, yes. Many had to take a year or two off of the league during the lay-off years, but I happy that their jobs are now reasonably secure.
February 3rd, 2013 at 3:06 pm
This reminds me of your “poll” of business people, where you stated that 9 out of 10 reported how awful things were.
The statistics of the Hawaiian economy regarding gross tax revenues, rates of unemployment, jobs created etc., paint a picture of dramatic growth over the last 16 months.
Those pesky numbers again.
February 3rd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
“That was the original basis of the league that started in 1935.”
Yeah, even though the economy was at its worst right then they were prolly spewing the same crap ?
“This isn’t Bushwood; it is a local municipal course where the rate is $10 a round if you walk.”
And thats supposed to hold a reflection of your buddies keen insights ?
I dont see how TF that helps you.
“Why isn’t their opinion valid? Because they play golf?”
I said no such thing, only that the supermarket carries a much more complete collection of relativity.
“I was allowed in because I did work on the assembly line many years ago, but still had to be “vouched” for to gain entry.”
Good for you !
“90% of the league participants spent their lifetime in the auto industry.”
Your point ?
“In other words, if you drive a foreign car, best not to park it in the lot.”
Sounds like a real nice bunch.
“Do they have additional insight into the state of auto manufacturing? I would say, yes. Many had to take a year or two off of the league during the lay-off years, but I happy that their jobs are now reasonably secure.”
Yeah, so what ?
The auto market will alwaysbe at some sustainable level allowing for reasonable projections that can book production for a couple years in advance.
Until the green market really takes off most internal combustion components are a safe bet as are body parts, tires, interior components etc.
My point, which went right over your head is that car sales are in no way seeing the boom that mopeds and scooters are. And are not showing a reflection of luxury spending but economy models instead.(gas just went up again) All of which require many of the same materials used in American autos, and even the Japanese models that sold way more than American cars.
“This reminds me of your “poll” of business people, where you stated that 9 out of 10 reported how awful things were.”
Especially at the checkout line.
The statistics of the Hawaiian economy regarding gross tax revenues, rates of unemployment, jobs created etc., paint a picture of dramatic growth over the last 16 months.”
Hawaii has been broke for decades.
That revenue gets pi$$ed away as quickly as its preceding flow.
Jobs created since 2008 and beyond have traditionally been disproportionately in favor of state employment.
Hikes in the private sector are usually due to seasonal tourism spikes.
The military, a huge contributor to our economy is not dependent on state or private sector, nor is its employment rates reflective of anything the state or private sector did.
Our housing market has gained favor for sellers but not enough to make up for or compensate for losses due to property tax hikes and dormant sales over the last 6 years and a bunch of foreclosures not picked up by anyone or institution yet.
We are the second or third most expensive state in the nation and rated also as one of the least friendly places in America for entrepreneurship,growth and commerce in general
“Those pesky numbers again.”
Which ones ?
The liberal ones Or the ones on everything we buy ?
Dont talk to me about this states economy.
I’ve been here all my life and its economy is the least reflective of the geographic 48 and its largest employer is the state.
February 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Statistics from the U.S. Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics, so yeah, I guess in your eyes those are “liberal” ones.
If I am interested in the auto industry I ask people who are, you know, in it, as they know more than me.
If I want to know the state of a specific economy I look at statistics regarding that economy by what most people consider a reliable source of information.
I suppose I would be better off going to the supermarket and asking an authority. Would that be the bagger or the cashier (as long as they don’t, you know, play golf).
The rest of the comment, oh, I simply give up, I can’t even understand the point, if any, you are trying to make.
Something about supermarket customers=good and golfers=bad or something.
February 3rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Admit it, it is the golf part that really bothers you isn’t it?
February 3rd, 2013 at 5:35 pm
“Statistics from the U.S. Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics, so yeah, I guess in your eyes those are “liberal” ones.”
Hmmm, another irrelevant point since I never made the distinction.
DLB reports of our gross revenue in taxes does not have anything to do with a cost of living but does reflect the hikes in property taxes as of last year.
We also see a rise in winter revenues due to tourism which is the second largest contributor to that revenue.
As far as the last sixteen months go we have seen a rise in visits from Japan and not the mainland US.
“If I am interested in the auto industry I ask people who are, you know, in it, as they know more than me.”
Yeah, that has nothing to do with knowing about the US economy.
If I want a good steak I’ll ask my butcher instead of shoving my head up a cows ass.
If I want to know how the economys doing I’ll as people from all demographics, not auto parts dealers on a golf coarse.
Are you retarded Buzz ?
Why o why do you insist that your little pow wow on the golf coarse was some the authority on the economy ?
“If I want to know the state of a specific economy I look at statistics regarding that economy by what most people consider a reliable source of information.”
Those stats need to come from everywhere and not a bunch of golfing auto part weenies.
Whos relativity and impact to the market I explained are a very small window.
“I suppose I would be better off going to the supermarket and asking an authority. Would that be the bagger or the cashier (as long as they don’t, you know, play golf).”
Nice try.
For one whos party claims to embrace diversity and there voices you just dont get it or are being incredibly obtuse.
A supermarket is exactly as it says and still analogous as its the supermarket of all people from all sectors of the business world and society.
Everyone has to eat.
Not everyone has to play golf or buy auto parts
“The rest of the comment, oh, I simply give up, I can’t even understand the point, if any, you are trying to make.”
Yeah, so whats new ?
You and Ronalds levels of interpretation are so up your asses you dont even know what a rocket surgeon is, never mind the fact that your best indicator of how a society is doing is by looking at every single demographic in that country and the way they spend money on food.
The ultimate necessity.
The bag boy and clerk you besmirch will tell you that they’ve never seen so many EBT cards in their life !
“Something about supermarket customers=good and golfers=bad or something.”
You’re an idiot.
But hopefully not dumb enough to understand that you asked for it.
I guess if I really want to get this country moving again I should suggest that Obama go play golf with auto part execs ?
WTF ?
February 3rd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
“Admit it, it is the golf part that really bothers you isn’t it?”
Nah, As you well know, I constantly drop my balls in much bigger holes.
Its my patriarchtic duty
February 3rd, 2013 at 5:43 pm
I guess that would make me a Tea Bagger on the delivering end ?
MUAHHHH HAH HAH HAH HAH !!!
February 3rd, 2013 at 8:35 pm
I thought “Tea Bagger” was an automatic Cardinal sin that mandated immediate banishment regardless of the meaning of it’s context.
Opps! Looks like I fell into the trap! In that case let me just go ahead and exploit the dodo word and say, oh shit!
February 3rd, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Thats “DOO DOO” you moron.
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:39 pm
@Ronald
I’ve been fascinated over the past few years by the lefts fascination with the word “teabagger”. I like to think that if someone told them that its smacking people in the face repeatedly with male genitalia, they would have stopped saying it.
February 3rd, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Its even more fascinating for those of us with balls.
As we know, the left is always supportive of alternative lifestyles even if it means juggling a couple of hacky sacs on their tonsils.
February 4th, 2013 at 7:15 am
You know Logan, I’d like to think that if someone had pointed out during the health care debates that “killing grandma” was a blatant lie, they would have stopped. I’d like to think that once the birther issue was proven false, the loons would have ended it. I would have thought that once it was explained that Saddam Husein did not attack us on 9/11, the Bush Admin and many on the right would have quit implying it. And I could just go on and on.
I’ve never been a fan of the now imploding Tea Party. Aside from being funded by corporate billionaires, ran by prominent conservatives extremists, and given almost 24/7 free air time by Fox News, their message was misleading and dishonest. These guys sat quietly while Bush and Co spent like drunken sailors only to emerge immediately after Obama’s inauguration howling something about “taking our country back”. Even the very acronym- taxed enough already- is dishonest as they were enjoying the lowest taxes in 60 years. They were emulating the original Boston Tea Party while contradicting them. The original Boston protest was a civil disobedience action against a private corporation, ignited by a corporate tax cut for East India Trading Company. The rebellion was due to a fear that corporate greed was harming the country. The original Boston protesters of 1773 believed that government was needed to protect citizens from becoming slaves to corporations. So if you look at it, the Wall Street Occupiers were much more aligned with the original Boston Tea Party patriots than the Tea Party.
And The Tea Party brought the name “teabagger” on themselves, even endorsing it. Remember Rep. Phil Gingrey dangling tea bags on Fox News? Remember protesters carrying signs saying “Tea Bag Liberals”? And how about the Tea Party promoter Americans for Prosperity wanting to “teabag Congress” by encouraging everyone to send tea bags? So there were many folks at the time, including myself, using the teabag term without even knowing the vulgar definition. And then came Rachel Maddow and Anderson Cooper with a sea of jokes and pun only to be followed by late night comedy. So the Tea Party being left with egg on their faces (or perhaps tea bags) was a product of their own making.
I seldom use the term at all just as I don’t say “repukes” or other childish terms. But I do find it extremely amusing to watch heads explode from a term that they gave themselves, particularly considering their misguided yet dangerous mission.
February 4th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Logan, I see that you have met our resident Marxist. Don’t expect a lot of there there.
February 4th, 2013 at 10:52 am
“You know Logan, I’d like to think that if someone had pointed out during the health care debates that “killing grandma” was a blatant lie, they would have stopped. I’d like to think that once the birther issue was proven false, the loons would have ended it. I would have thought that once it was explained that Saddam Husein did not attack us on 9/11, the Bush Admin and many on the right would have quit implying it. And I could just go on and on.
I’ve never been a fan of the now imploding Tea Party. Aside from being funded by corporate billionaires,”
Ronald, I didnt even finish reading your post for getting bogged down by this list of claims that can only be attributed to a few right wing morons, yellow journalistic rumors and sensationalism.
Who the hell ever said Saddam attacked us on 911 ?
I remember hearing this only a couple times from individuals who most likely were liberal plants only trying to act as representative of the right in some deranged way.
And if I remember correctly those on the left were the ones claiming the right was “killing grandma” by airing an ad showing Ryan (supposedly) pushing grandma off a cliff.
Is that the lie you’re referring to ?
And by the way, very few doubt Obamas citizenship.
Its the intriguing question as to his lack of disclosure and religion listed on the long form, which no one has seen yet.
As far as the original Tea Party goes .
Your revisionist history and misplaced facts are quite amusing.
Any simpleton knows that the retaliation was due to the people of Massachusetts colony paying taxes to Brits, who did not represent them.
One of the most iconic times in our history when the term “no taxation without representation” was used.
And who gives a rats ass if it was Bush or Obama who’d “taxed us enough already” ?
First off, the Tea Party has held many progressive republicans and RINOs feet to the fire calling for a return to conservative principles.
Secondly, no matter whos running the show a little more efficiency in how and what we spend on would no doubt reduce the tax burden.
Third, who the hell are the corporate billionaires funding the party and these extremists that run it ?
The Koch bros ?
Their contributions were almost nothing compared to the communist Soros’s hundreds of millions being given to the DNC, numerous liberal interest groups and media.
You sure do pull some obscure and twisted sht out yer butt.
But, I digress.
What should we expect from a someone who doesnt know the difference between doo doo and a Dodo ?
February 4th, 2013 at 11:12 am
@ micky & Patrick
haha thanks guys
@ Ronald (or Ron?)
I’ll try to cover all of your points as you went through them, but forgive me if I miss anything.
The “killing grandma” came out when Obama admitted to the death panels (which we have). Remember when Obama said something to the lines of “You know, sometimes it’s best for them to just take the pill.” So the idea of killing grandma came out of Obama’s own mouth.
The birther stuff was fueled by Obama waiting so long to just release his birth certificate. You know how you’re not supposed to feed trolls on forums? Why would he try to give any weight behind their theories by his inaction? Though I never bought into the Kenyan stuff, and after he did release his birth certificate it should have stopped. But people still think that 9/11 was done by our government. There are just conspirist theorists everywhere.
I don’t recall (albeit I was very young) Bush insuinating that Sadam Hussein was responsible for 9/11. Us going invading Iraq was us enforcing UN sanctions, and trying to stop the genoicide of hundreds of thousands of Kurds.
What billionaires funded the Tea Party? Cause I assure you, my aunt and uncle who are members never saw a dime. Why is it so upsetting to you what an independent news source broadcasts? Do you expect them to bribe Fox news so their air time is paid?
The more conservative of us on the right have been shouting have been shouting from the tree tops at the Democratically controlled congress and at Bush to quit spending and passing any bill the Dems wanted. But since we were in an age of heightened prosperity, our voices were unheeded obviously.
Even if our taxes have been the lowest in the last 60 years (that wont be the case in the next 4), why would wanting them even lower be a bad thing? If we feel we’ve been taxed enough, long enough, regardless of how high our taxes are presently compared to the past, if we want them lower, we can say so.
To say that the Boston Tea Party was only an act against the East India Company is false. It was against King George, making all other tea too expensive for the colonists to afford, giving the East India Company (and therefore England), sole distibuter of tea. The Boston Tea Party was against King George just as much against the East India Company.
I don’t recall seeing Tea Party memebers with signs saying “tea bag Congress” (though I remember the MSM planting people at rallies to make them look like racists and bigots). But yes, if they did start the moniker “teabager”, then wouldn’t the MSM want to show some class and not stoop to their level? I know it’s comdey gold, and for the first few months it was pretty funny, but more than two years after the movement started, their still beating that joke to death. Let’s see some new material.
I’m not sure how wanting to bring the country back to what made it great is dangerous, but to each his own.
February 4th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Many attribute the term, “Death Panel” to Sarah Palin, and her reference certainly gained the most attention. She first used it in August 2009, when she charged that the proposed legislation would create a “death panel” of bureaucrats who would decide whether Americans—such as her elderly parents or child with Down syndrome—were worthy of medical care.
Palin’s claim, however, was debunked, and it has been referred to as the “death panel” myth, as nothing in any proposed legislation would have led to individuals being judged to see if they were “worthy” of health care.
It was nothing more than counseling about options for people nearing the end of their life. It seems relevant as half of Medicare spending is devoted to people in the last six months of their life. In other words, hospitals and care givers turn their pockets inside out before the “well goes dry”.
Palin’s claim that “death panels” were included in the proposed health care legislation was preceded by comments of other conservatives who criticized the same section of the bill.
She was beaten to the punch by Betsy McCaughey former lieutenant governor of New York, who said in July of 2009 that Section 1233 of HR 3200 was “a vicious assault on elderly people” because it would “absolutely require” Medicare patients to have counseling sessions every five years that would “tell them how to end their life sooner”. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham repeated McCaughey’s claim early and often.
Not to be outdone, John Boehner, Thaddeus McCotter, Virginia Foxx (hmm…is she an exotic dancer on the side?) and Newt Gingrich all likened it to “state-sponsored euthanasia.
People bought it “hook, line and sinker” as many Americans did think it, indeed, was some kind of forced euthanasia. Oh, well, can’t let the truth get in the way of a good story (or blatant misrepresentation). It was ultimately not included in the Affordable Health Care Act.
February 4th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Hey buzzbee, I was wondering when we would have our first run-in.
wnd.com/2013/01/more-evidence-of-death-panels-in-obamacare/
http://www.infowars.com/democrats-crank-up-death-panel-talk-following-obama-win/
I know these are conservative sites but I hope you will not discredit them simply because they are. Healthcare rationing is indeed something the Obama administration plans on.
February 4th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
I read the article and they have the temerity to say “Palin was right”?
Wow, she and her cohorts were saying it was forced euthanasia and nothing in your article says anything of the kind.
It merely says that the cost of healthcare for people of that age is extraordinary and it is true and efforts to control it should be examined.
At the end of the article the author states, “Again, if we are to follow the logic of Yglesias and the Soros liberals, it will not simply be infirm 80 year olds who will be euthanized, but anybody with a debilitating disease deemed not cost-effective by the government, its experts, bioethicists and statisticians.”
The statement is based on absolutely nothing.
So in short, Palin was wrong then and is still wrong. The article tries to paint a picture that she was unfairly targeted.
Which part was unfair?
February 4th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
“Wow, she and her cohorts were saying it was forced euthanasia”
Really ?
I’d like to see that please.
February 4th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel
February 4th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
I got news for you Buzz.
Someone today decides when benefits cease, or are curtailed to cost minimum.
The real question is…
D you want your health insurance funds managed by an institution that has the most accomplished record of financial irresponsibility in the country ?
At some point, as with most everything they’re going to have to pull the plug on something in the interest of fairness.
Kinda like … spreading the health around.
Where’d I hear that ?
Seriously, if profanity is ever deserved it goes to this question.
Who the fck in their right mind would put themselves in a position where their healthcare is in the hands of the most dysfunctional bunch off ass holes on the planet ?
Its not a far stretch to imagine a time coming when the government gets to pick and choose who the candidates are for any extended extended healthcare benefits.
Common logic (God forbid)tells you that those being less of a contribution to society, the tax pool, and more of a cost liability than a revenue production would be the first to go.
When this predicament happens to certain programs the common phrase is to “kill the program”.
So, calling those who are making these decisions a “death panel” is slightly insensitive and offensive, but not inaccurate.
The more pressing question if this scenario does arrive is “who gets to choose these winners and losers” ? And who would set the “ethical standard” ? (for lack of a better phrase)
We all know how any ideology being victim of its own claims to a higher morality may make these decisions.
And pray your ass off those choices never go to one man.
On another note.
When all this crap came about that we were aiming for universal healthcare, again, we were told that 30% of the country was without healthcare insurance.
If we include those who are here illegally we have to ask ourselves why an individual such as myself should be a victim of the collateral damage this causes to my income and the private market itself.
The government is clearly not holding the majority’s interest at heart. True, there debate over what the majorities are but theres also debate if they even know exactly what Obamacare entails.
Of coarse you’ll get a majority in favor if they think its free, as it has so often been presented.
February 4th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_panel
Hmmm… I read it twice and nowhere was she quoted saying “forced euthanasia”.
But, there was this…
“Palin specified that she was referring to Section 1233 of bill HR 3200 which would have paid physicians for providing voluntary counseling to Medicare patients about living wills, advance directives, and end-of-life care options.”
The provision was later removed.
You should stop, as you say, “reading into things that are not there”.
No one is arguing that she didn’t use the term “death panels”.
And if she did say “forced euthanasia”, so what ?
Government is the largest distributor of force on the planet.
At 3000 pages and limited funding there has to be some red lines somewhere.
Anyone who thinks theres not is simply stupid
February 4th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
As Palin and her “cohorts” have stated (didn’t I already post this stuff?)
“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama’s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care,” the former Republican vice presidential candidate wrote.
Wow, this quote and, well, the term “death panel”, hmm…why would I think that it referred to withholding care so someone would perish?
Of course she later backtracked.
In her own defense, Sarah Palin told The National Review in November of 2009 that her words shouldn’t be taken literally. She said the “death panels” statement was “a lot like when President Reagan used to refer to the Soviet Union was the evil empire. He got his point across. He got people thinking and researching what he was talking about. It was quite effective. Same thing with death panels, I would characterize them like that again in a heartbeat.”
I suppose this is an improvement on her lack of truth about “bridges to nowhere”.
Gingrich, inexplicably, backs her up (wow, surprising as he is a rather smart guy),
You are asking us to trust turning power over to the government, when there are clearly people in American who believe in establishing euthanasia, including selective standards.”
The health care reform bill “would make it mandatory — absolutely require — that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner.” Betsy McCaughey former lieutenant governor of New York state (.In case you missed it the first time).
February 4th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
At the very least, Ronald has the heart to post his name…poor lil feller. I disagree vehemently with damn near everything he says, but I’d rather read his honest opinion than get blindsided by someone I suspect has a lick of sense. Mr.Ward, if you really believe the catasrophic deluge out of disinformation you dispatch with, you’re more to be pitied than disliked. It seems snow & buzz ride the same shortbus… 2 more PLFs
February 4th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Craig, how about instead of just taking cute little potshots from the side and offering virtually nothing to the discussion, why not explain what you disagree with and why, and come up with well reasoned arguments with verifiable sources.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen you add any sort of substance to any discussion here, just little insults. You and Patrick are very much alike in that regard.
February 4th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Ronald snot worth the back n forth Snow.
Even you can relate to some context of the world around us.
Hes entrenched in hate trying to masquerade it with what he thinks is astute intellect.
He has no idea of what the values and principles are that gave birth to this country and the sacrifices that were given to make them dear
February 5th, 2013 at 7:07 am
Micky,
Obama will not use death panels to whittle down senior citizens. As part of his new stimulus plan, he will have union contractors nationwide construct ‘Carousel’ theaters in each community. Every night, those eligible for Social Security will be levitated above the crowds, then exploded in brilliant Technicolor for our amusement.
February 5th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Buzz;
“Wow, this quote and, well, the term “death panel”, hmm…why would I think that it referred to withholding care so someone would perish?”
Nice try, I cant decide if you’re dishonest with yourself or just need a cranial tune up.
What you would think is probably more the issue here and by asking us what you would think leaves you pretty vulnerable.
I’ll take a leap and say your thinking is off and this is more about making revenues stretch, (since revenues will not be infinite) than it is about withholding services in an attempt to kill someone.
You need to grow up and face the reality that at some point someone will be the victim of limited revenues because theres no way the funding can supply everyone with the means to keep everyone alive as long as possible.
It only makes sense that this system will have to employ some means of determining whos worth the money and effort, and who is not.
You obviously dont want to face this reality, or are just being obtuse as a means to sling sht at people who raise incredibly vslid points and questions that if answered truly make this plan look like some pie in the sky promise that could never be filled.
This question of viability exists in the private sector as well.
This question of “who deserves and who doesnt” is already a component of deliberation on many boards that decide whos entitled and whos not.
Liver transplants go to those who do not have a history of alcoholism or drug abuse.
Cancer patients at progressed rates receive end of life care and not cures or prevention.
So, its retarded to expect these panels not to exist be it the private sector or the public.
The difference is this.
I dont want the government calling that shot.
Only the dumbest people would.
I know what the private sectors concerns are, that would be money and a reputation for showing sensitivity based on morals, decency, and principle, service that brings more business.
Just like I know funeral parlours need to make money, they do get their return business based on the quality of empathy and care to peoples emotions.
Which makes them a whole lot easier to predict and deal with than some Marxist/Socialist bureaucrat or any government official or entity with a host of ulterior motives, pressures and reasons.
You want the government calling these shots ?
That is an extremely dangerous precedent.
Off the charts dangerous
February 5th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
I refudiate your comments.
February 5th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
“Hey buzzbee, I was wondering when we would have our first run-in.”
Run-in?