National Rifle Association CEO Wayne Lapierre issued the first NRA statement one week following the Sandy Hook school Newtown shooting on Friday. Many in the Media and Liberal-Progressive politics, like NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg, reacted with NRA outrage over the idea of having an armed policeman in every elementary school. The National Education Association and the American Federation of Teachers rejected the concept as ″astounding and disturbing.″ While we still do not know what drove Adam Lanza to carry out his act of violence, the fact that he killed himself as soon as police arrived and entered the building does seem to lend credence to Lapierre′s basic point. That the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun.
The NRA press conference turned into a freak show very quickly thanks to the freaks from Code Pink, a Far-Left group which advances many Progressive and Socialist causes. Add to that a hostile press and is it any wonder that the NRA statement is being ridiculed as it is. CNN even cut away to a commercial just as Lapierre began making his argument.
For the record, I am not a member of the NRA, though I used to be one. I ended my membership when the NRA caved in to public pressure in 1994 and went along with the so-called ′assault weapon′ ban. My use of ′so-called′ in regards to ′assault weapon′ is due to how one defines an assault weapon. It would seem to me that anything used as a weapon to assault another is an assault weapon, even if it is just a rolled up copy of Time Magazine. I know of several ways to kill a human with that! Frankly, just reading the dribble published by Time is enough to cause one to become brain-dead!
As for defining an ′assault weapon′ as one which enables a shooter to engage multiple targets due to high capacity ammunition magazines, consider this. One can buy 12-gauge shotgun cartridges that contain a dozen .30 caliber bullets. So an old-fashion pump shotgun with three to six rounds is more than enough to match the destructive power of semi-automatic, military-style rifles with 30-round magazines. Especially if used in confined areas, like a building interior. Yet, no law proposed covers banning pump shotguns or such ammunition. Even simple ′bird-shot′ rounds used inside a building would wreak much havoc.
Lapierre also accused the entertainment industry of profiting from violent movies, TV shows and video/computer games. We do know from official sources that Adam Lanza was fond of playing such games, spending much of his time engaged in virtual mayhem. The subject of the state of mental health and laws regarding such was also raised by Lapierre. Connecticut, for example, while having stricter gun laws than most states has very lax laws concerning committing the dangerously insane. It is one of only six states where there is little ability to have adults committed or even to ensure outpatient care or that patients be required to take their medication.
Short of Draconian actions to confiscate all firearms nationwide, which would cause far more trouble than solve, there is really no law that can guarantee safety from future mass shootings. Even if the government tried to do that, there would still be no way that all illegally owned firearms could be taken off the streets. While arming schools with gun-toting guards or developing a procedure for training teachers or staff to carry guns in school may reduce the chances of future mass shootings, again, there are no guarantees. Statistically, mass killings in the United States peaked in 1929 and have been declining since. The worst case involving a school was the dynamiting of a school in Michigan in 1927 when the culprit became upset over losing an election.
So while many express NRA outrage over the NRA statement on the Newtown shooting made by Wayne Lapierre yesterday, such criticism is specious to sat the least. The National Rifle Association is correct in that no gun law would have stopped Adam Lanza from shooting up the Sandy Hook school. But placing armed policemen in every American school would be a prudent step towards prevention. The National Education Association and other teacher unions may disagree, but then they defy logic routinely on a host of political issues. As with all matters, states and local governments should decide what course of action to take as whatever law coming out of Washington is bound to be pointless.
December 22nd, 2012 at 7:51 am
“But placing armed policemen in every American school would be a prudent step towards prevention.”
First, I assume you would be first in line for taxes to increase to pay for this. It might be useful for you to say so, since it appears to be a pretty substantial shift. Or, instead, you could babble about waste, fraud, and abuse. Is that what is currently done on fox when they want to increase spending/
Second, so in 2002, when faced with 9-11, the GOP came up with the patriot act. Now, after Sandy Hook, we’re gonna move even further into a police state, setting up an armed camp in every public school?
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:10 am
I covered my tracks well, Arriba, with my last sentence…
” As with all matters, states and local governments should decide what course of action to take as whatever law coming out of Washington is bound to be pointless.”
If a local population wants to be taxed more to have safer schools, that is their business. What is disingenuous is for Obama and others to say that “we” are not doing enough to protect children. I do my part by avoiding children as much as possible, which is easy since I am a crippled shut-in. So I have no guilty feelings about what happened at Sandy Hook.
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!
What do people not get here?
Guns are inanimate ojects…people kill people.
I have had a semi-auto AK-47 type rifle for over 10 yrs now and have not gone on a rampage…why?
Because I know right from wrong…I am tired of the many paying for the actions of a few.
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:14 am
As for America being a police state, that has been creeping more and more well before 9/11 and the Patriot Act. About the only thing that stands between us becoming a real, genuine police state is the Second Amendment and us ‘gun nuts’ with our ‘assault weapons’ and hi-cap magazines.
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:29 am
Well, what are the other options ?
Will Obamacare cover the cost of psych evaluations on all gun owners and those living with them ?
Do we just chuck the whole 2nd ?
Require all campuses to be high rises with only 2 entrances with detection ?
At the other post I spoke in favor of armed guards but the day before boiled it down to the parents.
Simply because it always seems to be some kid or very young adult committing these horrors.
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:38 am
In Arizona from the 80’s to the 90’s some of the Gilbert schools had from 1 to 3 police officers also known as DARE officers. When the money got tight the officers were pulled away stating it was a budget problem. Now the police officers are back with some being paid and some not. They were in the budget once and can be placed in the budget again if you think your child is important.
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:50 am
Micky, I believe the guy behind the Bath Township mass killing of 1927 was in his 50s. Mind you he used dynamite but back then, one could buy a Thompson at a hardware store. But you are correct in that most of the modern era of mass shootings are typically done by young adults who usually have serious mental issues. The guy from Aurora, CO was known to be a loon, he was seeing a shrink! The Tuscon guy was also on the edge and plenty of people knew it before he went wild.
I read that in 1970, 1% of the nation’s population was in some sort of mental institution. Thanks to the ACLU and activist courts, a whole lot were released to the streets. Budget issues caused the rest to be let loose. Of course, before the laws changed in the early 1960s, many states practiced sterilization of such social misfits.
Where do we go from here? The basic problem is that no government can protect you or your family members 100% of the time.
December 22nd, 2012 at 11:41 am
“The guy from Aurora, CO was known to be a loon, he was seeing a shrink! The Tuscon guy was also on the edge and plenty of people knew it before he went wild.”
That reminds me of this very depressing epiphany I suffered at the hands of shrinks during treatment and follow up.
What a bunch of jackasses.
One after the other convinced me that my addictions were due to everything but my own idiocy.
Four or five in a row had me on everything from prozac to sht that no one can pronounce that had worse side effects than a healthy crank and Jack Daniels diet.
“Of course I’m depressed !
I just realized I’m a hope to die junkie and an alcoholic you ass hole !”
“I read that in 1970, 1% of the nation’s population was in some sort of mental institution. ”
As opposed to the 70s the number of folks on psych meds today is something like 1 out of 5 because of over diagnosing folks who simply had a bad day.
A lot of addicts seeking looking to detox end up in looney bins because of a lack of beds in treatment/detox centers. Also, most treatment centers wont take you if you’re not detoxed.
You have to lie and say you’re contemplating suicide in order to be admitted.
Anyway, long story short…
those that are the “couple quarts low maniacs” have an awful time finding real help.
All you need to confirm how screwed up this system is,is to look at Loughners shrink who was no doubt an abject failure at noticing the gravity of her clients state of mind.
We had a guy working with us at a retail outlet 15 years ago.
The dude was saying and doing some pretty freaky-scary crap.
We almost got into it a couple times.
I squealed to management.
Turned out he was an ex Marine sniper dishonorably discharged whos wife had taken his kid and left him.
Yikes !
December 22nd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
The easy availability of guns in America increases their use in crime, just as the availability of condoms in public schools increases sexual behavior. To have a respected argument, the gun lobby and their supporters really need to stipulate the obvious. Time magazines and knives do not kill people as easily as guns. Doh.
What the argument should be about is the cost of freedom. What level of violence are we willing to tolerate to enjoy our freedom to purchase and own what we want to own without the government getting in our faces about it.
December 22nd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I lived in Puerto Rico for many years. Getting a permit to possess was close to impossible, not to mention carry. It did not help a bit: criminals had so many guns that I remember a couple of police stations that had iron planks covering the windows because they were regularly shot at from subsidized residences nearby. Criminals did whatever they wanted because they knew all law-abiding citizens were unarmed. Fishing in a barrel at its finest.
When I hear the arguments about restricting guns as a remedy for crime, I’d prefer to restrict the kool-aid they are serving.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:49 am
Ah, Patrick, you are either forgetting, or never heard of the old Klingon saying…
“A running man with a knife can slit a thousand throats in one night.”
As for a ‘rational’ discussion on the subject of police in schools, who said they have to be police? If I were in charge, I would hire a private company owned and employing retired cops and unemployed military, which we have an abundance of thanks to Obama. We would not necessarily need to have large numbers of such armed guards.
In a small town like Newtown, you could adequately protect all the schools with a single team of four guards. Much like the old ‘Big 4′ cruisers we used to have in Detroit back when the police actually tried to prevent crimes. The key is for them to have an irregular patrol pattern and to be sufficiently fearsome to act as a deterrent.
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 am
grief – from the NY Times on the day before Christmas – we have the editorial “one nation under God ?” – with the question mark, along with ranting about concealed carry (guess what keeps the criminals scared.) We might be crazy but at least we are not obnoxious. Well. enough of their nonsense – there is only so much garbage I can read. If Jesus was a palestinian, I wonder if he strapped on a bomb and blew himself up. Well, that is not in the Bible. So how does Alternet arrive at the conclusion that the Bible makes americans violent ? I wonder if the gang bangers in Los Angeles are reading the Bible … probably not. I wonder if Adam Lanza was reading the Bible … probably not. I suspect they are reading Saul Alinsky instead.
oh heck. I should have gone to alternet before. Speaking more about Scapegoating – how about these headlines. a) Jesus was a Palestinian. b) Does the Bible make Americans violent ?
Then there is a rant about how the real fighters against tyranny are reporters and human rights types from europe, and 2 commie reporters who brought down Nixon. Oh – another scapegoat for the Left. It ends with “your stupid game prevents us from ending a threat to public safety.” ummm that would be confiscation. Like I said – just like Hitler.
I know why they don’t like the second amendment. It dawns on them that we already figured them out, and thwarted their little totalitarian tendencies, and did it 200 years ago. We outfoxed them and they just can not stand it. It drives them to extreems – as if they were not there already.
Just like Hitler, they state their aims in what they write.
speaking of crazy, remember what we heard regarding Scapegoating ? What is on TV these days is a textbook example of scapegoating the NRA – by the media, Code Pink, Obama, Nadler, Bloomberg, Feinstein, and all the rest. It is amazing to behold. Or maybe it is a real live example of a Witch Hunt. They certainly put a lot of gusto into it. What Saul Alinsky advocates is out and out scapegoating.
Oh, but we don’t even want to ’stigmatize’ the mentally ill, never mind scapegoating them.
As the Beatles discovered, America is a strange place. Millions loved the Beatles until someone made a remark about being bigger than Jesus, and the love affair came to a screeching halt. But being avant garde artistes they probably figured it’s just a bunch of gun toting troglodytes. It ain’t so simple. Oh well, chalk it up to ‘diversity’. Of course, Yugoslavia had ‘diversity’ and look at what happened to them.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:58 am
You mean the “Big Four” that used to randomely beat minorities and/or young people with long hair into submission?
Ahhh…good times.
Additionally, how do condoms increase sex among the young?
Were you ever young? Did the absence of a condom ever stop you?
Young people are going to have sex and good luck trying to change that.
Condoms are somehow wrong? Preventing pregnancy and STD’s? Seems like a good idea to me.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:59 am
“I know why they don’t like the second amendment. It dawns on them that we already figured them out, and thwarted their little totalitarian tendencies, and did it 200 years ago. We outfoxed them and they just can not stand it. It drives them to extreems – as if they were not there already.
Just like Hitler, they state their aims in what they write.”
Spooky true
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
“Additionally, how do condoms increase sex among the young?”
Duh…
Here.
Theres been times when beaver was available but I opted out because I had no condom.
Condoms are most definitely responsible for saving millions of lives.
But, you have to consider the message being sent to 12 year olds when condoms are accessible, anonymous none the less.
If the left doesnt want to look like they’re sexualizing kids as young as possible then it might be a good idea to think of what you surround them with.
Like teaching sex ed to kindergartners.
“Young people are going to have sex and good luck trying to change that.”
So, we should not break up 1st graders playing doctor ?
Should we just let them be parents at 13 ?
December 23rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
“Did the absence of a condom ever stop you?”
Whos yo daddy !
December 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Well we can always go for abstinence, that always seems to work; in fact it is almost as effective as “just say no”.
There is the world we want to live in, which happens to be much different than the one we “really” live in. Young people are going to have sex, I simply think it is practical to reduce STD’s, including genital human papillomavirus (also called HPV), which can lead to numerous forms of cancer, HIV, herpes, which can cause a fatal infection in pregnant women, chlamydia, that can prevent women from bearing children, along with trichomoniasis, syphillis and gonorrhea. These are serious disease states and if they can be prevented I don’t know how that can be ignored.
This is in addition to those pesky unwanted pregnancies. I don’t know how one can rail against abortion while also wanting to restrict condom availability.
I know many people prefer things the way they used to be (or at least how many think it “used to be”), but it certainly wasn’t better when I had to reenact the “Summer of 42″ pharmacy scene to procure condoms in my youth.
I haven’t watched the movie in a long time, but it was something like this:
“Yeah, I will take three sodas, a hot dog, a magazine, some cotton balls, some condoms, two milk balls……”
The pharmacist then yells out “Can I have a price check on the Trojans?”
As far as sexualizing kids, are current food supply isn’t doing us any favors. Young girls are maturing much, much earlier now due to the hormones in our food.
And boys..well I suppose they are the same as ever.
Remember that line about the secret to a man’s heart is through his stomach? Well the best I can say is that they are in the ballpark.
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
“There is the world we want to live in, which happens to be much different than the one we “really” live in. Young people are going to have sex, I simply think it is practical to reduce STD’s, including genital human papillomavirus (also called HPV), which can lead to numerous forms of cancer, HIV, herpes, which can cause a fatal infection in pregnant women, chlamydia, that can prevent women from bearing children, along with trichomoniasis, syphillis and gonorrhea. These are serious disease states and if they can be prevented I don’t know how that can be ignored”
Yeah, theres a vaccine for HPV.
The protection a condom is not being debated.
Its the message that it sends when sexual aids of any kind are made available.
Sometimes the rubber doesnt go on til right before intercourse and Billy is not aware that his freinds rotten crack tooth scratched his pecker while getting head.
Capice ?
Thats the world we live, kay ?
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Sorry…
“The protection a condom “”offers”"is not being debated.”
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Remember when Governor Perry offered HPV vaccinations?
Yup, he was pilloried by the right during the primaries.
I often wonder if many people truly believe that we can make time stand still.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
So we allow a high incidence of unwanted pregnancies and life-threatening STD’s because of the risk of sending the wrong message?
Well alrighty then.
December 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
“Sometimes the rubber doesnt go on til right before intercourse and Billy is not aware that his freinds rotten crack tooth scratched his pecker while getting head.
Capice ?
Thats the world we live, kay ?”
I have no idea what that means. As usual many of these comments appear to go over my head.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Funny. I lived in Paris for a while in my 20’s. Condoms available without a hassle. Kids there doing all the things they do here at the same ages but not getting pregnant and catching STD’s.
Also lived in Amsterdam for 5 months. Drugs practically legal (no enforcement), prostitution legal, and they have a lower rate of usage and sexual crime than we have here.
As for the guns here…..no armed citizenry is going to stop a determined modern police state with advanced body armor, superior firearms, RPG’s, armored vehicles, air superiority, heavy armor, guided missiles, drones…..etc. with private shotguns and rifles.
We’ve been out armed by the state for over a century. So that point is moot.
This isn’t the day of muskettes, cannon and horses like when the 2nd Amendment was written, the government/nation was nascent and the citizenry and government were “near” equally armed save for Navies.
That whole NRA “defense of tyranny” argument is a joke. An “Idiots Delight”, and fear tactic. Nothing more.
A better question to ask is why people don’t question the relationship between the NRA and gun manufacturers. Follow the money.
Because that’s ALL the NRA is about.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
“Remember when Governor Perry offered HPV vaccinations?
Yup, he was pilloried by the right during the primaries.
I often wonder if many people truly believe that we can make time stand still.”
So what ? Him being pilloried makes no difference when it comes to my son and daughters future.
Ya see, my cancer (gone now) was a result of no awareness of this disease 30 years ago.
And it caught up with my ass, literally.
I do not wish that journey upon anyone, even you.
We both know what kind of world we live in. How we deal with it is another story. But the fact is that a condom cannot protect you completely from HPV and actually less than it would protect you from AIDS.
What bothered me is that is was somehow being sold as a females problem/disease only. Men can carry it just as effectively and Gardasil is available for them as well. But you wouldnt of known this over all the cries “you cant make my daughter bla bla bla.
Its a public health issue that should be as mandatory as a flue shot, small pox, TB…
Hell, almost half of us all have it !
“I have no idea what that means. As usual many of these comments appear to go over my head.”
Many kids dont consider foreplay as sex.
Many people are not aware that you can transmit STDs orally to genitals and vice versa and so condoms are not used, also because some people are trusting of their partners word for it when it comes to their bill of health, condoms are only used as contraception.
Crack n meth whores usually have teeth rotting with sharp edges from splintering due to the chemicals cast across their teeth during smoking.
Meth and coke are murder on developed bones and teeth and inhibit calcium distribution even if you take supplements.
Remember, I deal with these peoples lives everyday and they’re not all bums by the time they get to us. Many are kids 16-17 and up.
I’ve heard it all.
Condoms are fine but and must be made available “age appropriate” I’ve seen too many 12-13-14 year olds get pregnant because after using condoms regularly think one time without one wont matter.
Theres lives become destroyed if they have no support system. They start using, lose the kid to CPS, and are court ordered to treatment and clinical discharge,high school or GED cert.if they want them back.
Everyday I get see lives destroyed for every imaginable reason.
Our culture and society is not set up for the results of sexually active kids and younger teens.
This aint the middle east.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
“As for the guns here…..no armed citizenry is going to stop a determined modern police state with advanced body armor, superior firearms, RPG’s, armored vehicles, air superiority, heavy armor, guided missiles, drones…..etc. with private shotguns and rifles.
We’ve been out armed by the state for over a century. So that point is moot.”
No its not moot.
Soldiers would easily round up and detain any resistance if we were un-armed.
Once we are armed their only other choice is to fire upon their own citizens.
Muslim troops/pilots have being ordered to fire on their own have thrown down their arms and either abandoned orders and/or hooked up with the resistance.
If we did such a thing to our own we’d have no support from anyone on the planet except from those who are our enemies today.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
‘Because that’s ALL the NRA is about.”
You could say the same thing about the EPA and many civil rights organizations, planned parenthood,environmental groups, etc…
They all kick back to their party/candidate of interest.
But we-the-people- support these groups because they put money to the candidate that supports our expectation that they will work to keep the rights we value as Democrats or Republicans.
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
“Muslim troops/pilots have being ordered to fire on their own have thrown down their arms and either abandoned orders and/or hooked up with the resistance.”
So then why the hell did Bush think we could could invade a foreign country, and then train their troops to fight back their own kind (insurgents) then?
I thought it was a crazy idea myself. Are you confirming that?
December 23rd, 2012 at 5:55 pm
“You could say the same thing about the EPA and many civil rights organizations, planned parenthood,environmental groups, etc…”
No. You can’t say that. Neither are in bed with an entire industry.
Nice try. Equating civil rights with the NRA.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
“They all kick back to their party/candidate of interest.”
Kick back what? “EPA and many civil rights organizations, planned parenthood,environmental groups, etc…”
These are non-profits. Not industries. What do they have to pay people off with?
And pay them off for what? Profit? They’re non-profits, unlike the gun industry.
December 23rd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Correction….The EPA is a government agency. So who do they pay-off or kick back?
If anything industries want to pay them off to NOT do their jobs.
How is this like the NRA being paid to lobby for the gun industry?
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
“Correction….The EPA is a government agency. So who do they pay-off or kick back?”
Wow, you are so lost.
You dont think the money the epa garners through bullsht fines and fees is not funneled to leftist interests or in cahoots with greeniacs?
You think planned parenthood and the DNC dont scratch each others backs ?
You think abortion is not an industry in itself ?
You think the green industry and enviros is not in the dems pocket ?
You’re lost
Go read your second amendment, stop straying to every other insignificant pedantic issue and please try to argue why my right to own a gun is somehow less important than rights you hold dear to your heart.
While you’re at it, go look up humane rights, civil rights,and political rights.
They’re all rooted in our Constitutions bill of rights.
December 23rd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
“These are non-profits. Not industries. What do they have to pay people off with?”
Yup, you’re lost alright.
The church is considered non profit.
How much you wanna bet those who are aligned with the church dont donate to the party or candidate that represents their interests ?
How much you wanna bet the entire green industry is a for profit entity ?
Dont bother wagering me with carbon credits, kay ?
December 23rd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
“You dont think the money the epa garners through bullsht fines and fees is not funneled to leftist interests or in cahoots with greeniacs?”
Government fines become part of their (a particular agencies) capital budgets and can only be used for operations. Go to the EPA site and see a copy of their budget, including fines and expenses for yourself. They can’t “funnel” anything to anyone. They’re a REGULATORY agency.
Micky. Non-profits (I used to do consulting work for one) are strictly regulated. Their books scrutinized quarterly. And their employees paid well below the private for-profit sector. (One of the reasons I turned down a P job offer..) Their employees aren’t like banking execs who can donate $10k a piece if directed by management. They have little or no political power.
“How much you wanna bet the entire green industry is a for profit entity ?”
-I’ll bet you….Now Prove it!
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
“They can’t “funnel” anything to anyone. They’re a REGULATORY agency.”
Man you’re lost.
The EPA gives approval to a huge windfarm run by moonbats who give a portion of their revenues to a democratic candidate while they shut down a coal mine that donates to the right …Einstein.
The EPA is one of the liberals horses in the race.
They’ve served their purpose long ago and the left insists they’re still a viable agency.
They approve commerce favorable to enviroleftists who subscribe to the global warming swindle and regulate conservative commerce into a stranglehold,sometimes bankruptcy.
It is made up of mostly leftists.
If you cant understand this game thats been played for decades you’re out of your league
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
“Ya see, my cancer (gone now) was a result of no awareness of this disease 30 years ago.
And it caught up with my ass, literally.
I do not wish that journey upon anyone, even you.”
Wow! Umm, thanks?
And Merry Christmas to you to.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:09 pm
“Micky. Non-profits (I used to do consulting work for one) are strictly regulated. Their books scrutinized quarterly. ”
Soooo… the Mormon congregation that donated to Romneyand the GOP are on the church’s books ?
Just because a non profit doesn’t come out and blatantly endorse someone doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen bro.
You’re a fool if you dont understand how these monies reach their destination
Must be nice to live in such a black n white world
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:13 pm
“Wow! Umm, thanks?
And Merry Christmas to you to.”
That would be “too” and you’re very welcome and I wish you a Merry Christmas as well.
December 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 pm
“I’ll bet you….Now Prove it!”
Sorry dude, but I gotta say this. You’re an idiot.
The green industry intention is to put products to the market where otherwise non green industries are profiting.
You bailed like a chicken on the global warming because theres no proof to its validity.
If you really believe theres more entrepreneurs in the green industry that care more about the planet than money you’re just plain stupid.
The reason you tried to leave Gore out of the debate is because hes the exact example of the swindle known as global warming, or was it climate change ?
I guess it all depends on the weather that day huh ?
December 23rd, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Micky – You spew your crap with lots of vigor, but never back it up with FACTS and DATA. And when I call you on it, like I did the other day, with your “Highest rates in the world bullshit”, you then admit that you’re bullshitting and “just trying to make a point”.
BACK UP your claims about the EPA. Their budget is online. No excuses.
Just BACK IT UP with DATA and FACTUAL citations…..period. Or shut up. You are historically…(Remember your Truman/Military Industrial Complex BS run…..lol) a bulshitter. You prefer anecdotal rantings to FACTS.
P.S…..NIXON instituted the EPA you inbred.
December 24th, 2012 at 12:13 am
“Micky – You spew your crap with lots of vigor, but never back it up with FACTS and DATA. And when I call you on it, like I did the other day, with your “Highest rates in the world bullshit”, you then admit that you’re bullshitting and “just trying to make a point”.”
Uh, gee, you’re pi$$ed because you got no proof from me that water is wet ?
You go off on fckin rant on how the northern most populated cities are filled with people of higher morals and you want citations ?
Why dont you back up that sht ? huh ?
Sorry, but DC,NYC,SCLA,Oakland,Chicago,Detroit dissapoint you in not being “thee” most dangerous places on earth and only make the US number seven out of the top 32 most violent countries.
Also, you got the map showing these states cities being the most gang related, drug related, and illegal gun related matching the electoral map showing them all to be liberal.
“BACK UP your claims about the EPA. Their budget is online. No excuses.”
Why should I look at their budget ass hole ?
I was pointing to the epas selective approvals and regulations being advantageous to the left.
Since you bailed like a chickensht on the global warming debate I gather you’re pretty clueless on the epas present agenda.
Just BACK IT UP with DATA and FACTUAL citations…..period. Or shut up. You are historically…(Remember your Truman/Military Industrial Complex BS run…..lol) a bulshitter. You prefer anecdotal rantings to FACTS.”
Actually I’m on record here for the last few years being one of the more factual bloggers.
Sht, you cant discern the difference in positions on Israel between the DNC the GOP and the country as whole, so why would you know a fact if it bityerass?
You think mint jelly belongs on turkeys for crusts sake !!
“P.S…..NIXON instituted the EPA you inbred.”
WTF said anything about Nixon ?
I stated they served their purpose a long time ago.
This has nothing to do with right or left but being mostly conservative I’m well aware of Nixons accomplishments since I’m also sure I was born then and you were not.
G-nite beech
Oh, btw, just so you remember where were supposed to be
per #31
please try to argue why my right to own a gun is somehow less important than rights(civil, political,or human) you hold dear to your heart.
And try for once in your life to not muck it up with a bunch of irrelevant diversionary bullsht
December 24th, 2012 at 4:40 am
@ RonM,
To your Comment #27, if you recall, Bush also bribed a whole bunch of Sunni tribal leaders during the Iraqi ‘Surge’. As it was, they, the tribal leaders, were getting fed up with the Al Qaeda insurgents undermining their authority. Plus, the Sunnis knew that without support from the USA, the would eventually be toast when the Shiites majority got their act together.
December 24th, 2012 at 4:53 am
The anti-tyranny argument is a valid one for gun ownership. A determined resistance can overcome a modern army. Plus, you are assuming that the entire US military would go along and obey a tyrant in the White House. Not to mention local state and police forces.
An interesting fictional account of a possible 2nd American Revolution is the 1995 novel, “When the Almond Tree Blossoms” by David Aikman. I don’t know if he still writes for Time Magazine but he used to be their Moscow correspondent. So it is not a novel written by some Right-wing kook.
In fact, the story line, though set in 1998, may be actually even more realistic today as the battle between Constitutionalists and ‘People’s Movement’ follows a military disaster in Iran after we try to invade it and Russia backs Iran.
The Liberal-Socialist government controls the Northeast and ‘Left Coast’ while the Constitutionalists have Middle America. The US Navy tries to stay neutral, especially our ballistic missile subs which are essentially kept out on patrol using off shore bases like Diego Garcia for resupply. Its a pretty good read!
December 24th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Andy, the guy will only begin to scratch the surface of most basic political knowledge and understanding when he pulls his head out of his black n white vision of everything.
Guys like him are simplistic to the point where free thinking would throw a wrench in his whole world view resulting in having to install a whole new motherboard and hard drive to his brain.
Me;
““Muslim troops/pilots have being ordered to fire on their own have thrown down their arms and either abandoned orders and/or hooked up with the resistance.”
Examples of idiocy…
“Ron;
So then why the hell did Bush think we could could invade a foreign country, and then train their troops to fight back their own kind (insurgents) then?
I thought it was a crazy idea myself. Are you confirming that?”
The insurgents (Sunni/Shiite/Al Queda/Iranian Kud forces) did not see each other as “their own kind”
So obviously hes speaking out his ass or repeating someone who is.
I cant find anything showing I was confirming any such thing.
Saddam had no pilots in the air during and after the invasion.
I was referring to Libyan pilots who disobeyed Daffis orders to fire on their own and members of the military under Mubarak who would not carry out force against Egyptian civilians.
The troops being trained after we dismantled the entire Iraqi military and police were made up of both Sunni and Shiite volunteers with the understanding that a three state solution could never work with certain industries(oil)benefiting only one tribe. Iraqi Parliament is still haggling over how to divide up oil revenues among the three tribes. This is called democracy.
We set up a democratic electorate for them to choose their own parliament in which the military being trained had to answered to.
Where he gets this sht that Bush had Iraqi troops trained to come after there own is disingenuous in that any insurgent forces remaining after the election were enemies of an already sovereign Iraqi nation and would hardly make them “one of their own”
If the middle east as a whole saw all Arabs as “one of their own” they wouldnt be such a fcked up bunch of idiots killing each other for the last 2000 + years
The reaming insurgents that held any threat after the elections were Al Queda and Iranian Kud forces.
But, I should digress, Ron chose to debate me a while back on his assertion of bullsht that Bush started the Iraqi war by “mistake” and consequently had his ass handed to him.
Banged his chest on the global warming debate saying it was his forte` “I’m an Astrophysicist” and then bailed immediately after some bullsht about me mentioning Gore had eliminated me from the debate.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:12 am
“Wow! Umm, thanks?
And Merry Christmas to you to.”
That would be “too” and you’re very welcome and I wish you a Merry Christmas as well.”
Yeah, I noticed it right after I posted it and considered doing a correction, but I knew you were waiting six months for the opportunity so I decided to let it go.
December 24th, 2012 at 11:19 am
“Yeah, I noticed it right after I posted it and considered doing a correction, but I knew you were waiting six months for the opportunity so I decided to let it go.”
You know I dont really dont give a sht and was just razzing you.
I’m busy enough spell checking my own sht.
Have a good one, and your loved ones as well.