In the last week, we have gotten to witness the death throes for the Republican Party as a national political force. Following the Sandy Hook massacre, the only leaders of the party willing to state their views called for principals and teachers to carry firearms. Yesterday, House Speaker Boehner was unable to call a vote that was only symbolic, in that it would be a measure to raise taxes for those earning $1,000,000 per year in earned income. He couldn’t get a majority of his members to vote for this. Today, the NRA made it clear that the problem was that violent video games, music videos, and movies were prevalent, telling members of the Republican Party that this was the only cause of the epidemic of this wave of carnage sweeping the nation.
Let’s first look at the idea of arming teachers and principals in grade schools, middle schools, and high schools throughout the nation. So we would actually want a million assault weapons in our schools? How can any reasonable person think that this makes sense? How can anyone think that this would reduce assault weapon attacks?
Let’s now look at what happened in the House yesterday. Members of the GOP were so afraid to cast a vote that would raise taxes on the top .25% of wage earners that they implicitly condone raising taxes on everyone in 2 weeks. Why would they do this? The reason is obvious…they fear a primary in two years, where they recognize that they could well lose their jobs.
Wayne LaPierre held a press conference where he called for every school to have armed police installed. He somehow believes that if we take police off of the streets and put them in schools with assault weapons, that this would reduce violence in schools.
The Republican Party is now and in the future going to be a political force in the Deep South and in rural areas. Because of gerrymandering, it will have a majority in the House for the rest of the decade. It will never hold the presidency again; it will never hold the Senate, with the possible exception of 2014; it is now at its maximum number of Supreme Court members.
For decades, we made fun of the Democrats as a collection of interest groups that held disparate interests and values. Well, the GOP has shown itself to be homogenous. Unfortunately, outside of the Deep South and in rural areas, the like-minded values are not shared by those who live in more populated parts of the country.
This last week has been incredibly depressing for people like me, more so than any time since 9-11. To watch a political party that we had so much hope for sink to such depths in the face of a national tragedy and a fiscal cataclysm is beyond belief. I wish that I had some more hope for our political system. What has become of us?









December 21st, 2012 at 11:14 am
I was going to comment on another thread about many of these issues, but you covered everything and it is better coming from you so it doesn’t devolve into some ridiculous name-calling fest.
Well said.
I honestly can sympathize with people that identify with the GOP as their party is fractured.
Who does one negotiate with? Boehner (might be lame duck), Cantor (only controls a segment that is shrinking) or someone new?
Even if I sometimes may disagree with you, Arriba, your even-handed and objective views are welcome.
I am curious to see the comments as your summation seems to fly in the face of most of your RP colleagues and/or readers.
December 21st, 2012 at 11:54 am
Arriba, I sense your frustration but never say never again, as the saying goes. You have been around long enough to know that political parties go through peaks and valleys, rebirthing themselves as the times change. Remember the Dems were crying similar woes between 1994 and 2006.
I did not follow the vote/nonvote in the House yesterday because it is already clear that we are going off the fiscal cliff. That’s what Obama seems to want and I don’t believe the contraction in government workers will be a bad thing in the long run. Shrinking government is a conservative position.
On the guns, what is your solution? Or, what is the best political position for the GOP nationally?
December 21st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Actually, Patrick, I think that the position of the GOP now is sort of similar to the Dems in the 1970s & 80s, where they were dominated by the antiwar crowd and the make excuses for thugs crowd. A difference though is the recent domination by the Deep South. As I repeatedly wrote during the campaign, this region expects much different policies than the rest of the nation. So, the closer the GOP adheres to the South, the further it will be from other regions.
As far as what the GOP should do on gun control, party leadership should make a one-time-only rule that a bill doesn’t have to have a majority of GOP votes to pass. Then frame a bill that reduces rounds, make mental health restrictions on gun ownership, and (on my wish list) make people take a course on gun safety (although I’d hate to study for another test at my advanced age).
I don’t know what can be done about movies/videos/games. I’d like, in my ideal world, for a change in the rating system so that nudity and sex were not graded more harshly than violence. But I dunno, I’ve watched a ton of movies with naked women and a ton with blood spurting, and neither tempted me to act in a repulsive fashion.I don’t know if there are any studies by people without an interest group agenda.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Anyone could suggest the GOP is facing Armageddon and almost every liberal says “well said”.
As McCain and I have mentioned before, politics/elections are cyclical with the GOP being the only party to break 8 year rotations and hold the executive for 12 years, Reagan then HWB.
I’m leaning to the prediction that in 3 years this country will be soooo absolutely unable to deny that progressive liberal policies are so poisonous, even I could be elected president.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
“Well said” was referencing Arriba’s statements relevant to the various issues, including arming teachers, negotiating with the GOP House and the fact that the NRA (acting here as a trade organization) is so tone-deaf as to suggest it is apparently everything but assault weapons.
I have no interest in the end of the GOP.
I thought I would simply clear that up.
December 21st, 2012 at 12:54 pm
“(NRA)is so tone-deaf as to suggest it is apparently everything but assault weapons.”
Not “well said”, because even the NRA doesnt want to alienate parents by calling attention to their shortcomings.
I explained this here… http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=10813&cp=all#comments
The NRA and Hollywood are not made up of diverse demographics that vote.
When you address parents in general you’re addressing all demographics/ideologies.
Parents who are gun enthusiasts do not want the finger pointed at them and parents who are anti gun but allow their kids to watch anything Hollywood or Gamers produce dont want the blame either.
Its easier to blame an industry in a free market than it is the individuals parental responsibility, or lack of.
As far as you having no interest in ending the GOP, some of your conversations here with other liberals has been inconsistent to that statement
December 21st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
“On the guns, what is your solution? Or, what is the best political position for the GOP nationally?”
I would think that the Constitutional aspect and protecting innocent school kids would far supersede the best political position for the GOP to take. But that’s just me.
December 21st, 2012 at 1:04 pm
“For decades, we made fun of the Democrats as a collection of interest groups that held disparate interests and values. Well, the GOP has shown itself to be homogenous. Unfortunately, outside of the Deep South and in rural areas, the like-minded values are not shared by those who live in more populated parts of the country. ….”
I did point out a few times on this site that the GOP has been winning the old Confederacy and little else the last two national elections.
December 21st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
As someone who believes in democracy, and is an unforgiving capitalist, I assure you I have no interest in seeing an end to the GOP.
Furthermore, I truly believe that the GOP can rise again, but not in its current form.
I cited much of what Gingrich said last week and noticed today he has urged the GOP to reverse its stand on gay marriage.
As Arriba stated, if the GOP only wants to carry the South (and sparsely populated Western states) in the future, then they should stay on their current course.
Additionally, demographic changes may render both Texas and Georgia unwinnable in the future, not to mention the fact that there will always be more “young people” (they keep “making” new ones) and the GOP is not appealing to many of them (and seems unconcerned by that fact).
I am pragmatic to a fault and know that anything can be rebranded, but now would be a good time to start.
You are seeing signs of it over the last few weeks as Republicans have started to show flexibility on issues that they never would have touched even a year ago.
However, there now seems to be numerous factions within the GOP. Which one emerges?
Can’t govern if you don’t win.
December 21st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Ron W;
“I would think that the Constitutional aspect and protecting innocent school kids would far supersede the best political position for the GOP to take. But that’s just me.”
Obviously you’re not listening.
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Buzz;
“Furthermore, I truly believe that the GOP can rise again, but not in its current form.”
“Form” ?
Would that be its formation of principles or members ?
“I am pragmatic to a fault and know that anything can be rebranded, but now would be a good time to start.
“You are seeing signs of it over the last few weeks as Republicans have started to show flexibility on issues that they never would have touched even a year ago.”
Yeah, some deal is better than no deal.
Too bad Obama doesnt see this and is on his way to my home state as we speak with no deal at all.
Bravo !!!
“However, there now seems to be numerous factions within the GOP. Which one emerges?”
Basic conservatism will be worth more than gold to everyone at the end of this jerks term.
The left has fixed nothing and will continue to fix nothing until theres nothing left to fix.
As I said above, by the time these morons get done ruining everything they touch even I could be elected president.
Can’t govern if you don’t win.
Nationally there are more republican governors than democrats
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Ron;
” the like-minded values are not shared by those who live in more populated parts of the country. ….”
The most populated cities are also democratic strongholds that have the highest rate of gun violence in the world.
December 21st, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Micky – “The most populated cities are also democratic strongholds that have the highest rate of gun violence in the world.”
The WORLD?
Where did you get that stat. Just curious. Sounds made up.
December 21st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Ron, its one of those things that most people dont even argue about.
Out of 32 were #7
Thats close enough to make the point I make referring to liberals who live in Detroit, Chicago,S. Central L.A.,NYC,Wash. D.C.(DC is highest in the nation)
Thailand is # 1..but they’re hardly liberals.
Slovakia is #4 but only ten people live there.
Freeking moonbats take the cake when comes to puttin caps in each others asses.
Period, fact, end of story
December 21st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Oops,
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_gun_vio_hom_hom_wit_fir-crime-gun-violence-homicides-firearms
December 21st, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Micky – So I was right. You did make it up. Twice.
Once when you said “highest in the world”.(false)
Secondly when you point me to data that lists THE ENTIRE country and DOESN’T break it down into US cities and registered voter types.(false)
Like I thought. You just made it up.
December 21st, 2012 at 6:52 pm
I will make one suggestion for the GOP if it wants a better light shown on its image.
Stop your backasswards approach to marijuana.
Its outdated, you’re still demonizing pot the same way you did in the 60s.
I love your economic principles, if only you’d follow them. I love your stance on National security until you fall victim to PC liberal ROE that only result in more troop casualties.
And stop funding the lesser of two evil radical Muslims.
I love your calls for the individual and less government and its interventions.
But, you’re failing like hypocrites in that department when legalized alcohol is one of our countrys most expensive habits and top 5 killers while marijuana casualties are more related to the underground/money exchanges etc and not the effects on our bodies and minds, long or short term
Most of the country at this point doesnt give a sht if you light up or not, they just want it handled responsibly even if that involves taxation, which would be far less expensive than carrying your stupid inclusion of pot in the war on drugs.
Theres nothing written in stone within conservative principles that says you must be the quintessential image of the “missionary position only” stiff in starched underwear who maintains an archaic sex on weekends only image.
(The way Romney walks)
Really, loosen up on the pot stance, it would show your able to assimilate to the times without giving up the principles that made you the grand ole party.
Knock it off…
Reefer Madness days are over.
Alot of hippies like me are now conservatives.
Pot users do not grow horns and rape your dog, steal your children or run around like Jack The Ripper on a PCPcrackacidshroom c0cktail.
Of course theres more to this iceberg when we look at the millions of jobs this demonization produces and entire industrys that thrive on its illegality.
Both ends of the industry are huge and I understand there will be no quick fix.
But your persistent stance that links it to some ideology is not doing you any favors.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:17 pm
“Micky – So I was right. You did make it up. Twice”
Not really, my point was to liberals.
If you followed the debate that was the crux of the point.
One more time…
Ron said;
“For decades, we made fun of the Democrats as a collection of interest groups that held disparate interests and values. Well, the GOP has shown itself to be homogenous. Unfortunately, outside of the Deep South and in rural areas, the like-minded values are not shared by those who live in more populated parts of the country. ….”
Those most populated parts are dominated by liberals who share the highest rate of gun violence in the world.
In addition, and to keep you on track, you must take into account the per-capita ratios as I mentioned Slovakia only has ten people living there.
And, if you really want to get right down to it,…it doesnt fcking matter if I took a leap by saying “the world”, the fact remains that its liberals who commit the most gun related violence in our country and in any country where guns are legal.
But, its okay, I understand by now that you think the only way to prevail in any debate is to focus on irrelevant minutia in hopes it will give the appearance of a less academic and honest opponent.
You’re still wrong.
Those populations you brag about, hold the most liberals per square mile and consequently they are also thee most violent cities in our country.
“Secondly when you point me to data that lists THE ENTIRE country and DOESN’T break it down into US cities and registered voter types.(false)
Like I thought. You just made it up.”
wrong again
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6103a2.htm
“Five cities met the criterion for having a high prevalence of gang homicides: Los Angeles, California; Oklahoma City, Oklahoma; Long Beach, California; Oakland, California; and Newark, New Jersey. In these cities, a total of 856 gang and 2,077 nongang homicides were identified and included in the analyses. Comparisons of the characteristics of gang and nongang homicides were made using Fisher’s exact tests for all the variables except mean age, which required a t-test. The characteristics included basic demographics of the victims, descriptive information on the homicide event, and circumstances precipitating the event.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Washington,_D.C.
Despite being the headquarters of multiple federal law enforcement agencies such as the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), the nationwide crack epidemic of the 1980s and 1990s greatly affected the city and led to massive increases in crime.[1] The number of homicides in Washington peaked in 1991 at 479,[2] and the city eventually became known as the “murder capital” of the United States.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:22 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/16/chicago-gun-violence-retu_n_1790399.html
Gun violence has plagued Chicago for years, but in recent months the number of incidents has grown compared to the previous year. As of the end of July, homicides in the city were up about 27 percent. Through the first quarter of the year, murders had spiked as high as 60 percent over 2011.
December 21st, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Aaaaaaaand here !
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/sep/27/gun-crime-map-statistics
Compare this map to an electoral map.
“the like-minded values are not shared by those who live in more populated parts of the country.”
YOU CAN FCKIN SAY THAT AGAIN BRO !!!
ROTFLMFAO
December 21st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Hey Micky – Did you bother to take a look at the chart numerical data further down the page at your link?
The Southern Red States on average have higher murder rates by fire arms than the Blue States.
My next question is….do you even know how to read interactive maps? Because I didn’t see anything that backs your claim.
The numerical data however, supports the OPPOSITE of your claim. The FACT is, on average, Red States have higher firearms murder rates.
The data summary (numbers)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state
P.S. Tiny little D.C. is an exception.
December 21st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
All the liberal cities are also the most populated with also the most gun violence in the country Ron.
True, some hick town in Alabama might have ten people living there with 6 of em killing each other.
That does not change the fact that you said people in the most populated areas dont the same values as those southern hicks
I GET IT !!
But what you dont get is that those “most populated cities” are populated by liberals and also contain the countries largest gang, minorities,and gun violence than any bumfck downtown hicksville !
California
Compton, mostly black (over 90% voted for Barry), gangs, drugs, guns,one of the most violent cities in Ca.
South central L.A.
Mostly black/Latino. Majority voting dem, gangs, drugs, guns,one of the most violent cities in Ca.
Oakland
mostly black (over 90% voted for Barry), gangs, drugs, guns,one of the most violent cities in Ca.
DC,mostly black (over 90% voted for Barry), gangs, drugs, guns,one of the most violent cities in our country, nick named “murder capitol of the USA.
NYC, uptown/S.Bronx/Harlem mostly black/Latino (majority voted for Barry), gangs, drugs, guns,the most violent city in the state.
Chicago, same thing.
Detroit, same thing
So, spare me this bullsht of yours that these populated areas you love so much share greater values when they’re actually the ass holes of the country !
Guns are not the problem !
Its obviously liberals in all the big cities with guns that are the biggest problem !
Hell, blacks are only 12% of the population but are killing each other more than any demographic out there !
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl06.xls
Wise up ! And stop trying to make some asinine point that water is not wet.
You morons are killing your own in all the big cities faster than anyone !
“My next question is….do you even know how to read interactive maps? Because I didn’t see anything that backs your claim.”
Uh yeah, I guess you’re color blind.
(thats confusing, “color blind liberal is an oxymoron)
Note California, Michigan,Illinois,The Northern East coast states, Western east coast states,Fla.(switch hitter) are a darker shade than most.
Most recent mass shootings…
Connecticut (hasnt voted for rep pres since 88)
Colorado (moonbat central)
Tuscon(supported Kerry, Obama)
Penn. (supported/voted for Barry
You cant win dude.
Liberals in liberal cities with guns are bad news.
Thats all there is to it
December 21st, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Most inmates are liberals
December 21st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
“the like-minded values are not shared by those who live in more populated parts of the country.”
YOU CAN SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME BRO !!!
December 21st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Psst ! Ron !
Water is wet.
All the big cities are liberal.
They also have the highest crime rates
And dry champagne is still wet
December 21st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Oh, and before we get there, you should also know theres a large population of gays in San Francisco and fish in the ocean.
December 22nd, 2012 at 5:17 am
Arriba,
I have to agree with Patrick on the “never say never again” point. Four more years of Obama could very easily swing the nation back to the GOP, including the presidency. The price of gasoline is still about double that of when Obama took office despite increased production. Another commodity to watch is the price of milk, which could double quickly thanks to the Fiscal Cliff.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/12/21/politics-gone-sour-why-the-price-of-milk-might-soon-double/
BTW, I don’t recall LaPierre saying that we should put ‘assault weapons’ in every school. One main point of his was that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to challenge them with a good guy with a gun. The police cannot be everywhere protecting each citizen as our politicians and wealthy currently enjoy. Of course, as I have mentioned in other threads, here in Duh-troit, we’ve had armed guards and metal detectors in the public schools for years. While there have been no ‘mass shootings’, there has still been gun violence as kids are shot and killed for their sneakers or as part of gang affiliation.
December 22nd, 2012 at 5:22 am
Also, this whole ‘Deep South’ thingy is something I routinely hear on MSNBC. As Micky reminds us, 35 states have GOP governors and most have Republican legislatures. The real problem, as always, is too much political power is centralized in Washington, which goes contrary to our Constitution. This is more the fault of activist courts than public voting trends.
December 22nd, 2012 at 6:40 am
Andy,
We live in a 2 party system. There are other parties, of course, but only 2 aspire to elect a president. 35 states have GOP governors SOLELY because of 2010; the Republicans cannot exist as a party if it cannot elect a president.
Since 1988, I believe that the Dems have won the pop vote in every election but 2004. This year’s election was particularly telling; with the worst economic news imaginable since 08, it’s safe to say that none of the GOP candidates would have defeated BHO.
So, if the GOP wants to be a super-Green party or one of the others that exist to give me someone to vote for president when the major parties choose to nominate worthless people, that’s fine with me. They will not be a major party, though.
December 22nd, 2012 at 7:01 am
On your other comment, Andy, that lapierre didn’t advocate putting assault weapons into every school, exactly what would change the outcome without them, under his theory? Also, did you hear him discuss the costs of his plan? I don’t know how many public schools there are, at least 100k-200k, I’d guess. Who would pay for this many extra police? Would you vote to increase taxes for this?
He showed himself to be an old tired man with old tired ideas. If you think he made some cogent points, why do you think he refused to take questions? If you believe that the GOP believes it is following the majority position here, then I assume you believe it will call a vote early next month merely to put Dems in a bad position. Good luck on that one.
December 22nd, 2012 at 7:23 am
I appreciate also the msnbc ad hominem. I don’t mind you disagreeing with me, that’s actually one of the things I like most about this site, that we don’t necessarily agree about policies. But I think that to infer that my ideas are the result of some loony network is not worthy of your normal writing.
If you believe that we’ll be in such awful economic straits in 4 years that the nation will choose mitt again, or newt, or ricky, without any policy changes, feel free. You’re absolutely wrong.
My point consistently since the election has been that all the GOP can aspire to is to win midterm elections without a change in policy positions and policy emphasis.
I assume, btw, you recognize that talking about gas price increases since jan 09 is silly and something only ignorant people would blindly accept. Gas prices fell remarkably in late 08 BECAUSE of the recession that began then. It was solely a market response to the decline in employment and production. Prior to then, it was consistently much higher.
December 22nd, 2012 at 7:31 am
According to The Slate the cost of Lapierres idea was estimated at 5 billion a year averaging 50K a year for one armed guard at every public school in America.
Arianna at the Huffy post says 18 billion.
Those two right there indicate an awful lot of bias if costs did ever come to deliberation.
But, the idea of armed guards itself seems functional as long as no one (even the principal and senior board members) know who the guard is.
Theres no way it would be a perfect system seeing as how this one guard might have to run completely across the campus in time to save anyone. But, there is the deterrent factor and getting to scene sooner than later could save many lives.
An air Marshall has much the same effect. Even though proximity is closer you also have to consider lives saved on the ground if someone tries a repeat of 911.
Seriously, any one of us could walk onto most any public campus and toss a stink bomb in any class and be gone long before any first responder shows up.
I had a parent teacher meeting at my sons high school a few weeks ago.
First, my boy was told by his homeroom teacher to participate at the 8:15 meeting.
From 8:15 to 9:00 AM no one knew where he was. He’d decided he didnt want to attend and simply hid out somewhere.
Yes, he heard the riot act and lost his I-Pod for a month.
Secondly, It took me 10 minutes to find the designated classroom as I wandered anywhere I wanted un-approached by any kind of security.
I look young for my age, but not that young.
Previous to the meeting not one of the teachers who spoke to me over the phone ever mentioned any kind of signing in or security process, visitors pass etc.
December 22nd, 2012 at 7:34 am
“If you believe that we’ll be in such awful economic straits in 4 years that the nation will choose mitt again, or newt, or ricky, without any policy changes, feel free. You’re absolutely wrong.”
The sad thing is that by 2016 the whole country may be so fed up with liberals and their policies that they would even put me on the ballot.
And I’d win.
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:33 am
Arriba,
My issue with the ‘Deep South’ is that in the classic sense, the ‘Deep South’ is only maybe nine or ten states at best. Republicans tend to do well in at least three times that number. If we want to talk about regional parties, the Dems generally only have a lock on the Northeast, the West-Left Coast and nowadays, just part of the ‘Rust Belt.’ Yet, I do not hear phrases like ‘Central USA’ or even MidWest used much to describe GOP strongholds.
December 22nd, 2012 at 8:37 am
I’d vote for you, Micky! You should start a Micky2016 website.
If folks start paying $8 a gallon for milk, even the Low or No Information Voters may start to get mad at Obama and the Democrats. If they are forced to survive by eating lawn clippings or catch mice, then I don’t care how cool or popular somebody is. They will pay a political price for their foolishness.
December 22nd, 2012 at 9:05 am
re:#33
I don’t think I’ve ever said that the GOP will only do well in the deep south; if I did, I’m silly.
However, other than that region, the border states (like WV, MO, KY, TN) and the upper Rockies, where do you see it doing well?
You’re right about where the Dems have a lock. Look at the electoral college; that’s where the votes are since that’s where people live.
Micky’s clearing testing the waters on 2016. I’m unsure if the nation will take another hawaiian president.
December 22nd, 2012 at 11:52 am
If Ted Nugent would run as my VP I’d go for it.
December 22nd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
On the flip-side of all this, there is an overwhelming majority of GOP governors in the country. In fact Republicans expanded their majority to 30 states which I think this undercuts the gist of this article.
I worry about the next presidential election which is teed up for Hillary and Republicans won’t be able to do anything about it, except nominate some poor guy who will be undercut by the usual cries of RINO and such by the faithful mob, but the reality is that Jesus Christ himself will not defeat Hillary Clinton in 2016.
But the Senate is a different story, so to say the Senate is lost forever is way over the top. The same forces that elect GOP governors in states (i.e. most of our states are “small” and “rural” in proportion to the large blue states) gives the GOP a distinct advantage in the long term. Just need to stop the idiots from nominating morons.