The Fiscal Cliff 2013 plan from Barack Obama must be a joke, considering how Mitch McConnell openly laughed at it! Yes, that is what happened when Obama sent Treasury Secretary Timothy Giethner to Capitol Hill to present the White House plan to Senate and House Republicans. Speaker of the House John Boehner has all but said now that the Fiscal Cliff talks have completely stalled. The problem is that Barack Hussein Obama does not want to do any spending cuts at all while he demands that tax rates be raised. Obama also wants to do another round of stimulus spending and wants the authority over the nation′s debt limit transferred permanently from the Legislative Branch to the Executive Branch. This as we face maxing out our current debt ceiling by February, if not sooner. Meanwhile, the clocks ticks away as Tax-ageddon approaches on January 1st.
Obama took his dog-and-pony show on the road yesterday to Pennsylvania speaking at a toy factory owned by the Rodon Group. He continued his assault against House Republicans who stand between him and becoming a pharaoh like his pal, Mohamed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood president of Egypt. Bad enough that Obama wants GOP lawmakers to roll over and increase tax rates without any spending cuts at all, but now wants to usurp the Constitution and give himself unlimited power to spend as much money as he wants.
Republicans who appeared to be ready to cave in the week before are now starting to develop a backbone due to Obama′s insulting power-grab. Some are now actually talking about letting the calendar run out and allowing the Bush Tax Cuts and the rest of the budgetary mess expire come January 1st. Obama claims that the Republicans will play Scrooge, ruining Christmas for all. But the problem is one of his own creation, although there is no doubt that Obama′s allies in the Media will blame the GOP.
Our nation has not had an actual annual fiscal budget now for nearly four years. The U.S. Senate, led by Harry Reid, has refused to even consider a budget for more than 1200 days now. Reid is also working to change the Senate rules on filibusters in order to further shun Republican senators. A clear sign that Obama and the Democrats have no desire to work towards any bipartisan agreement. Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA) has been saying for months that they should just let the fiscal cliff happen. Now, many Conservatives are leaning in that direction rather than sell out to the Socialists and their Welfare State.
In my opinion, the GOP should put one last deal on the table, voting on it in the House and sending it to the Senate. I would suggest it involve Herman Cain′s 9-9-9 plan, simplifying our tax system to one that is pro-growth to benefit the economy. Toss in provisions for means testing MediCare for the wealthy and a graduated increase in the Social Security age, say one month per year starting in 2018 until the retirement age has gone up a full year in 2030. At least that would be something to hang our hats on that many in the public might comprehend and agree with.
The truth is, we have already gone over the real fiscal cliff long ago. You can throw around all sorts of numbers but the facts are that we truly have no idea just how bad of financial shape the nation is in. The Federal Reserve has never been audited. While some of us are familiar with our ′on budget′ National Debt now at about $16.3 Trillion dollars, the size of our ′off budget′ debt, sometimes referred to as ′Commitments and Contingencies′, is somewhere between $64 Trillion to more than $200 Trillion dollars! A few folks out there think we′ve already blown through $1 Quadrillion dollars!
The idea that raising taxes is going to help is ridiculous. Even if you confiscated everything over $1 million in income, as well as all profits of the Fortune 500, you would still only come up with enough cash to fund the federal government for maybe 6 months. We are still in a recession, despite Obama and the Media saying we are not. If we really were out of it, then the Federal Reserve would have been raising interest rates. But Ben Bernanke is continuing his plan for another round of Quantitative Easing, buying bonds and securities to keep Wall Street happy, and keep interest rates at 0.5% until at least 2014. The Fed bankers have been saying all along that until the unemployment rate dips below 6.5%, they will continue to print cheap money.
So while Fiscal Cliff 2013 is just around the corner, Barack Obama appears to have no real intentions on doing anything to solve the real problem, that our government has no true annual budget and is just spending far too much. The White House is not offering Senate nor House Republicans any spending cuts while demanding twice the tax rate increase they did back in 2011, as well as moving control of the debt limit to the Executive Branch. If you think things are bad now, just wait until Obama has an unlimited debt ceiling to play with!










December 1st, 2012 at 8:15 am
Just the president playing politics with our kids’ futures again.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:51 am
May I say as a unknown american; all this back and forth about tax increases. Why have anyone spoke about the government’s cutting back on their personal spending.
For instance, private planes, chauffeurs, exclusive vacations, chefs, private trainers, having overstaffed offices…
Instead, you are talking about taking more money out of schools, medicare, medicaid and social security. I’m just saying.
Clean up your home before taking more from us regular folks. We are still trying to get our feet on the ground.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:52 am
I think it’s fair for the wealthy to pay a bit more in taxes. I still have no clue why the right bends over for them so much. Many of the super rich pay little to no tax and in some cases pay NEGATIVE taxes. Why does the right champion this anti-middle class pro-rich agenda so much? Is it the ‘job creator’ kool-aid?
Here’s an idea: Tax the wealthy more and start taxing the church – it’s time for their free ride to end.
The top 1% got a 93% growth in income since 2010. It’s time for them to pay more taxes. Also, while we’re at it, let’s cut back military spending a bit, or at least level it off. We can still be bigger than the next 20 countries combined and I’m pretty sure we’ll be okay.
Please tell me which spending cuts we can make, which will net better results than above. It’s time for the free ride of the rich to end.
The right’s faux-patriotic outrage is cute and all, but it has grown boring.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Speaking of entitlements, maybe it’s time for all the red states to pay more in taxes than they receive in federal money. A great majority of the entitlement states are red.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:49 am
Snow, I don’t advocate a military cut back because those cuts results in lost jobs and lost revenue that ultimately finds its way back into the economy.
You bring up an excellent point that many extremely profitable corporations are paying negative taxes while a huge amount are paying near zero. Yet we continue to hear this silliness about wanting more cuts. How more negative of a tax burden should these folks get? Of course, you and I know that the loyalist here will not respond to that, if they even allow such legitimate questions to be published.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:00 am
Snow Crash – “Speaking of entitlements, maybe it’s time for all the red states to pay more in taxes than they receive in federal money. A great majority of the entitlement states are red.”
GREAT POINT!!!
That’s the “Dirty Little Secret” of the Republican base. Welfare (mostly Southern Red States) States ignorantly whining about Liberal “welfare queens” etc…..while their entire economies are subsidized BY those “Liberal” states with more advanced tech/service/finance industry based economies.
Without farm subsidies and the skewed number of military and other federal contracts they receive (PORK), these Red States would be worse off than Greece.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:16 am
Actually, scratch the “tax the church” comment I made above. If we tax the church then it will only allow it to have even more political pull, and that would be the absolute worst thing possible for this country.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:31 am
Without farm subsidies and the skewed number of military and other federal contracts they receive (PORK), these Red States would be worse off than Greece.
Which is EXACTLY why I would just love to see one of these crazy red states to secede. Maybe then all the GOPers will realize just how nice it is to have a government which actually gives a sh*t for its people.
As far as modernized countries are concerned, we are already very far to the right. Out of the 30 developed nations we are one of three who doesn’t provide socialized healthcare. I could enumerate horror stories all day due to the sh*tty nature of our healthcare system. But still, the right keeps wanting to push further and further with no compromise. They’re bastards.
Anyway, to see a country of full-blown GOPers would be quite eye opening! We already see hints of what would be with our current red states.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:39 am
Oh, the other two states being Mexico and Turkey.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:42 am
“Which is EXACTLY why I would just love to see one of these crazy red states to secede. Maybe then all the GOPers will realize just how nice it is to have a government which actually gives a sh*t for its people.”
Haaaahahaha !
By running the entire nation 6 trillion in the fcking hole !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That reminds me…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uguXNL93fWg
December 1st, 2012 at 1:28 pm
We did go over the fiscal cliff years ago. Add more taxes to the rich will not make a hill of beans difference on the debt. What planet do you folks live on. There is no free lunch for health care or any thing else. I live in a blue state and the only reason it is starting to function again is beacuse we have a Republican Governor. The Mayor of Detroit said the unions with their sense of entitlement is bankrupting the city. Naive and stupid you all are. Obama is out to bankrupt this country and ruin as many lives as possible. You useful idiots have not felt the effect YET but you will soon. Talk about horror health care stories you have seen nothing yet. Go to the soviet union, greece,italy,france,england and canada, they all have national health care and it is horrible. Never get sick or have an accident there because you are SOL and may arrive home in a pine box. That is horror!!!! Spoiled lefties have no clue what a mess you created for the future generations. I assume you do not care. Selfish brats who lived off of others created wealth all your lives.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Snow Crash – “….Which is EXACTLY why I would just love to see one of these crazy red states to secede…”
When I first heard about this Red State secession movement, I couldn’t help but thinking of some 8 year old telling their parents they wanted to move out because they couldn’t have their way!
LOL…….go ahead. MOVE OUT, I say.
Like the clueless post-election brats they are, notice how these Red State “children” have shut up after they’ve thrown their little hissy fit.
I half wish some Democrat pol would press the issue and move their petitions forward in congress. Let’s have hearings….etc. Break out the spreadsheets of fed $$$ (welfare) these guys are getting.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
” Break out the spreadsheets of fed $$$ (welfare) these guys are getting.”
Knock it off ass hole.
If you list the most bankrupt states and cities, then list the most liberal states and cities, you will see that the list is identical.
Just because a state is red now does not mean that the liberal policies over the last 40 years have not led to the insurmountable problems now. New York and California are poster children for liberal policies.
These are also the most populated states and cities also.
The top 5 most fiscally sound states are all non union, with 3 of 5 being conservative and the other two swing.
There is substantially less commerce in southern poor red states.
For the amount of commerce and people in NY, CA,and wealthy blue states it makes no sense why they are the most in debt.
But, there is an explanation.
It makes no sense to go after red states that are in debt, or receive the most fed aid when those that elected Obama are in favor of state and fed spending,no cuts to the budget mentioned yet, will extend all entitlements(in addition to the last 4 years extensions), increase tuition supplements when liberals boast of holding the most college educations, supplement more green investments, keep supplementing corn farmers (both parties guilty)primarily for ethanol (a main cause of rising food costs) continue aiding countries financially that hate us (both parties guilty, but policy still forwarded by Barry)
WH fiscal cliff offer includes unlimited executive power to raise debt ceiling
… and the ass hole wants to borrow almost another trillion for stimulus while any cuts, tax increases will bring substantially less than the additional revenues they sought.
Ron, your argument makes no sense.
The red poor states are the most dependent and the larger demographic, why did Barry win ?
You can say what you want.
Liberals elected the biggest spender in human history …
http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/06/14/president-obama-the-biggest-government-spender-in-world-history/2/
…and the economy is no where near what he promised in 08.
Its actually worse, and can hardly be the fault of the red states receiving fed aid disproportionate to their GDP.
The red states consumption will pale in comparison to tragedy approaching on Jan 1st.
So, while you n Snow are jerking each other off, think about that.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
“LOL…….go ahead. MOVE OUT, I say.”
Yeah, grow up.
When liberals all were crying about having to move to Canada after Bush won the retards on the right said the same thing.
If any liberals or conservatives want a one party state with either having unbridled power they are simply fcking idiots.
Myself, I prefer the majority of conservative policies, but want every American to feel at home.
Tell me, child, do you mourn only when liberal soldiers die ?
Do you celebrate only when conservatives threaten to secede ?
From all your statements it seems very true that you only want liberals in this country.
I hope I’m wrong and that no one can be that fcking stupid, or evil.
Grow the fck up.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:51 pm
When liberals all were crying about having to move to Canada after Bush won the retards on the right said the same thing.
-(Outside of a few celebrities, there was no Liberal petition by Liberals for Democrat states to secede. So you are WRONG)
If any liberals or conservatives want a one party state with either having unbridled power they are simply fcking idiots.
-(It was the Red State CONSERVATIVE SECESSIONIST LOSERS who were pushing for that)
Myself, I prefer the majority of conservative policies, but want every American to feel at home.
-(It was the Red Staters CONSERVATIVE SECESSIONIST “fcking idiot” LOSERS who wanted to go their own way)
Tell me, child, do you mourn only when liberal soldiers die ?
-(No. I’m not a politically partisan motivated secessionist loser like conservative Red Staters are)
Do you celebrate only when conservatives threaten to secede ?
-(Conservative “fcking idiots” are the only people threatening to secede, I wish them their freedom to do so)
From all your statements it seems very true that you only want liberals in this country.
-(Liberals didn’t tell conservative to secede, it was THEIR IDEA. Remember?)
I hope I’m wrong and that no one can be that fcking stupid, or evil.
-(You are wrong. Secessionist conservatives ARE that “fcking stupid”, childish, & “evil”)
Grow the fck up.
-(Tell that to the secessionists!!!…..And yourself Mick.)
December 1st, 2012 at 4:17 pm
-Welfare Red State moochers top the list.
http://thecentristword.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/red-state-socialism.jpg
-My Greece comparison
http://thecentristword.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/payments.png
-The 47%. Most tax non-payers in Red States (Romney/GOP LIE exposed)
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/non-payers-by-state.jpeg
-The states ranked again. YOUR “MOOCHER” state Hawaii #5 you welfare queen.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2011/04/04/state-finances.html#slide1
December 1st, 2012 at 4:24 pm
“(Tell that to the secessionists!!!…..And yourself Mick.)”
You stand wrong, again.
I am not the one cherishing the thought of secession by anyone.
idiot
December 1st, 2012 at 4:42 pm
During republican administrations we hear the same sentiments from some liberal states, or that an entire demographic wants to leave the country.
I dare you to honestly employ your mind with the consequences of either side cherishing and facilitating that prospect.
If I have to explain the consequences of breaking up the various viable contributing economic and security factors to our union you’re an idiot.
Would it be a good idea to try and work with Texas, or risk loosing the state to Mexico ?
If all Texans were automatically deemed illegal aliens would you support the same fed aid we give to all other illegals, or try to strike a deal with Texas ?
Your wish for them to “.go ahead. MOVE OUT” is stupid. The Texan population will go nowhere because of secession.
And shows an incredible ignorance as to how the union functions.
But, then again, idiots like you call for diversity as long as it thinks like you.
Which, is not diversity at all.
So, once again, you’ve wasted everyones time.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Were done today.
I know, I apologize, I’ve said this before.
But you idiocy is not beyond re-approach and should be highlighted.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Sue,
Talk to those in Sweden and Europe and see how many people are happy with their health care as opposed to people here.
Here insurance companies can dump you completely (the real death panels), rendering you unable to even get a decent plan. My aunt is a great example, a few years ago she injured her back and she was dropped off her insurance. She has to pay $6,000 every 8 months for a lower lumbar epidural, which she can no longer afford. That’s $18,000 every 2 years just to get a few shots! My parents owe tens of thousands of dollars for my dad’s heart condition.
Over here in the great US of A it’s purely about the almighty dollar. TONS of people go into bankruptcy due to medical bills and many die in debt which they are never able to pay, thanks to the dollar over the citizen. You morons place greenbacks before people – oh, unless you are the one who needs help. I know plenty of Republicans sucking off the gov teet, the difference is they feel entitled to theirs, like THEY deserve it whereas other people don’t. It’s the whole Republican “f**k you, I’ve got mine” mentality, which is so common.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:22 pm
“During republican administrations we hear the same sentiments from some liberal states, or that an entire demographic wants to leave the country.”
NO. WE DON’T HEAR THAT.
We hear the occasional Hollywood Liberal type maybe saying they’re going to France or Canada, but nothing like THE GOVERNOR OF A CONSERVATIVE STATE….Rick Perry, go on the record supporting secession. Or nothing like with 2012 Republican states sending secession petitions to the White House.
Not ONCE has any “Liberal State” drafted a petition or had it’s governor advocate for secession.
So you’re a LIAR.
Micky. You FAIL again.
Do you ever tire of proving yourself to be, to quote YOU, a “fcking idiot”?
December 1st, 2012 at 6:31 pm
“I know plenty of Republicans sucking off the gov teet, the difference is they feel entitled to theirs, like THEY deserve it whereas other people don’t. It’s the whole Republican “f**k you, I’ve got mine” mentality, which is so common.”
Yeah, you said that last month and got btch slapped.
But, keep telling yourself that in the face of your majority who actually voted for more entitlements and spending, and continue sounding retarded.
You better learn the difference between the few examples you use (RINOs) as a majority and what true conservative values are.
Now, for the hundreth time…
Tell me of one private sector service or product made or run better or more efficient by the government.
Only an idiot would put the entire nations healthcare in the hands of politicians.
Only, an extremely stupid sht who thinks were Europe, which, is, broke, and knows nothing of a free market or the meaning of private property.
“We’ve actually been operating in a way entirely consistent with free-market principles.” — Barack Obama, 2009
We now know thats not true.
If Obamacare is in any way similar to the “investments” (code for bribes)or “shovel ready” stimulus failures that Obama thought was worth a chuckle, were fcked.
We have SCHIP, Medicaid, Medicare,and a host of medical subsidies for those that cant afford it.
And they’re all hundreds of times over budget, and broke.
So, lets add one more to the pile that we dont even know how to pay for yet, and has to be called a tax, which we were told we wont have to pay, but will.
You guys are out of your fcking minds
December 1st, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Only an idiot would put the entire nations healthcare in the hands of politicians.
I suppose it’s much better in the for-profit sector. I’ll try telling my aunt that the next time she is able to save up $6K for another shot so she can actually walk like a normal person for 8 months.
There is a reason why basically all developed countries don’t opt for for-profit healthcare – because it SUCKS.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:46 pm
“It’s the whole Republican “f**k you, I’ve got mine” mentality, which is so common.”
Snowy?
Is that like the Democrat’s mentality…”F**k U Cracker” I got my EBT card and I don’t a FF (that’s Flying F**k) who is paying for it?
Take a deep breath Snowy.Your savior was re-erected. You will be fine.
ROFL
Question SnowDude–You ever get a paycheck from a POOR MAN?
December 1st, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Tsk tsk, sht head just cant learn…
I have to enumerate and spell out every .little detail the pedantic jerk whos understanding of context is in liberal haze of ideological bigotry.
..but here goes
“During republican administrations we hear the same sentiments from some liberal states”
There is no one I mentioned speaking for the entire state but we here it from those individuals in liberal states.
Dont be an idiot and deny that hundreds on blogs and some talk shows did not express a desire to leave the country if Bush won.
But, you’re an idiot and maybe so am I for asking.
” or that an entire demographic wants to leave the country.”
Just because some liberal said “an entire demographic wants to leave the country” does not make it true, ass hole.
I heard it, like it or not.
“NO. WE DON’T HEAR THAT.”
Speak for yourself.
I did not say everyone in Texas wanted to leave the union.
It was you who has no problem with an entire demographic leaving the country. Comprende ?
This idiocy on your part is this, even if Texas engaged in secession the majority voting in favor would stay, they would go nowhere.
They would not “leave” as you think, or implied, invited them to do.
“Not ONCE has any “Liberal State” drafted a petition or had it’s governor advocate for secession.”
So what ?
Thats not the point, I never said any liberal state did.
Nor have I supported Texas filing petition.
“So you’re a LIAR.”
Its you who fabricated a farce argument dipsht.
Read your constitution and maybe, just maybe, you’ll see how stooooooooopid you sound.
Secession is unconstitutional. The secessionists states in the 19th century claimed that the constitution was a contract entered into by the states, and if a state decided it wanted out, then that state should be allowed to exit the contract. The problem with that is this…
The preamble of the constitution–the first three words–nullifies that entire argument. For you Ron who seems has never read the Constitution, here’s how the preamble reads:
“WE THE PEOPLE” of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
Note the caps part. “We the people . . .” It doesn’t read, “We the States.” The Constitution was not a contract entered by states, it was created by the people and for the people. A state cannot legally secede from the Union, because the Constitution is a document that binds the states to the law of the land. The states are bound to the Constitution by the will of the people.
And you cannot facilitate it in any way.
So it’s fairly stupid to continue on with this whole secession idea as much as it is to wish those threatening it success.
Ass hole