One of the mindless mantras coming from the left and repeated endlessly by President Obama is this idea that corporations are not people. Does the president really believe this? It’s hard to say.
But what’s clear is that, to believe such a thing, you’re required to suspend all rational thought and ignore both the Constitution and over 200 years of legal precedent. Romney was mocked for telling liberals that, “corporations are people.” He received jeers from hecklers for this statement, but he underscored his point by saying that “everything corporations earn ultimately goes to people.” The hecklers laughed derisively and Romney asked a question they, nor any other liberal, has ever effectively answered. Regarding earnings made by a corporation, he asked them, “where do you think it goes?”
It’s a question I would challenge any liberal to answer. If corporate earnings do not go to people, where do they go?
More to the point, how do corporations begin? Do they just spontaneously appear? How do they grow? Who makes their products or deliver their services? Who signs the documents creating the corporation and regulating it? When corporations fail, what happens to them? These are all questions with a very obvious answer. An answer that even a liberal can figure out, if they try real hard!
And while President Obama repeats the “corporations are not people” mantra to mindless liberals, his administration knows better and acts accordingly. To prove the point, I’ll offer two relevant examples.
TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION?
First of all, we know the American Revolution took place mainly over the idea of “taxation without representation.” Paying taxes was not so much an anathema to Americans as much as the thought of being taxed without having a voice in the parliament. If they had no voice, how could they feel they were being taxed in a fair and legitimate way? They couldn’t, and thus the American Revolution began to take shape.
Deeply embedded in the American psyche is this idea of the unfairness of taxation without representation. Those who pay taxes must have a voice in what taxes will be payed, how much, and how often.
Now, here is another question that even liberals can get. Do corporations pay taxes?
Just nod your head. Yes, they pay taxes.
They pay all kinds of taxes, as does every employee of the corporation. But if corporations are not people, then they shouldn’t be paying taxes, correct? But they do, and therefore, just as a corporation has a right to take out an ad to market it’s products or services, it has a right to petition Congress. On to my second point.
CAN CORPORATIONS BE PROSECUTED?
If asked if a corporation can be prosecuted, the average person might have to take some time to think this over. On the one hand, employees of a corporation can certainly be prosecuted. But, can the corporation itself be prosecuted?
The Obama Administration’s answer to this question is a resounding YES! How do we know this? Well, as the Wall Street Journal will point out in tomorrow’s print edition (posted online just hours ago)…
A persistent media-liberal lament—make that a cliché—is that too few financiers have been prosecuted for the financial crisis. But maybe that’s because when the Obama Administration tries to prosecute a specific individual for a specific crime, it turns out there was no crime.
So, instead of prosecuting individuals, the Obama Administration is prosecuting the companies in hopes of getting convictions. The WSJ had this to say of this interesting new twist…
The Journal recently reported that another enforcement action against J.P. Morgan will include no charges against individuals. And on Tuesday New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman sued Credit Suisse CSGN.VX +1.75% over still more mortgage deals, and again with no human defendants. What a concept: wrongdoing by banks that includes no wrongdoing by any bankers.
So, while the Obama Administration says one thing (corporations aren’t people), they are doing another (treating corporations like people). What do they call someone who does that?
So, as Romney pointed out last year, of course corporations are people. They can be nothing else.
Just as government itself is “of the people, by the people, and for the people,” corporations are also “of the people, by the people, and for the people”; only, on a more limited scale and subject to the authority of state and federal government. All are made up of people, all pay taxes, and all must have the right free speech as outlined in the First Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
Nuff said!









November 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
The elections OVER!
November 26th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Think again, RonM! The 2014 campaign is already underway and we’ll start getting public commitments for 2016 soon, too.
November 26th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Small companies pay taxes, middle sized companies pay corporate taxes, large corporations?
Eh, not so much.
November 26th, 2012 at 9:12 am
The 2012 elections are over, granted. At the same time, this issue predates the 2012 election, going back to Citizens United and the president’s odd decision to berate Supreme Court justices during a State of The Union speech. This will continue to be an issue for one major reason; Democrats want this to remain an issue.
Democrats want business to remain beholden to them, giving donations as expected, but they don’t want to give business people a voice. Unfortunately for them, they have the First Amendment staring them in the face. But that doesn’t mean much, they’ll continue to try and find ways around that to restrict free speech.
November 26th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Buzz,
Big companies pay a great deal of taxes. I will grant you that multinational corporations can avoid some US taxes, but their US-based employees pay taxes too.
And the point I will add is that, the higher taxes go in this country, the more jobs will disappear from our economy. Why would a company stay in the US and pay 40% to the federal government when they could move to Canada and pay 16%? Or they could move to Ireland and pay 20%. The only place they could not move and pay less is Japan.
That’s why TAX REFORM is the answer, not tax hikes. Right now the federal government is taking in almost as much revenue as it did in 2007, before the market collapsed. Yet we are still running a deficit over $1 trillion. How can that be? Simple, the Obama Administration has added about $800 billion a year to federal spending, the equivalent of a new stimulus for every year the president has been in office.
November 26th, 2012 at 9:43 am
David, you keep right on selling that concept. It did work quite nicely the last round now didn’t it? While you’re at it, be sure to nominate another Plutocratic snob to help sell it. Nothing like proven success.
November 26th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
“Plutocratic” lol. Communist propaganda appears to be making a comeback.
Don’t expect liberals to get this. Under the law, corporations are treated as individuals such as in libel law. And obviously corporations are collections of people.
One of the problems in public political discourse is that Democrats are not as educated as Republicans. It renders them more susceptible to believing what powerful people tell them. We have to find a way to dumb down the narrative.
November 26th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Patrick McCain – “….is that Democrats are not as educated as Republicans……”
WRONG. Red States are the “dummie states” by far. At the bottom of the barrel when it comes to college degrees per capita.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_educational_attainment
Source: U.S. Census Bureau.
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P.S. Patrick. Where did you get your data for your assertion? Or like most conservatives, did you just make it up? I’d be interested to see how you arrived at your statement. Show me your data and stats please.
November 26th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Read the exit polls, Ron. Once again you are engaging in a logic fallacy. All those undereducated black Democrats in Mississippi (etal) drive those numbers. I wouldn’t go as far as you in calling black people “dummies” because even intelligent people, Ron, can be born into poverty. But here we go again. Last time we got into this you showed an amazing ignorance of socioeconomic data.
November 26th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Patrick McCain – Once again in the face of data you offer nothing but anecdotal BS as a response.
If you can’t debate with the grown-ups, present FACTS, then I’ll have to just consider you a clown.
I have a hard time believing you ever graduated high school as you seem to find great difficulty in being able to find supporting data for your arguments. It’s like you’ve never done a research paper before, had to get sources, check them, cite them…..etc. Basic stuff I learned in grade school.
With the internet, it should take you 10 minutes MAX to back up ANY of your claims. I honestly don’t think you have the brains to do it as you repeatedly deflect to anecdotes and subterfuge every time I press you for facts.
And why did you focus on Alabama and not the OVERALL low Red state performance?
Just show me some FACTS please.
November 26th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Ignorance is bliss for you, Ron. You are just a tiny part of the statistics that show Democrats are less educated than Republicans.
November 26th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
R.J. Ward;
“Nothing like proven success.”
You might want to take that up with the present Dick in Chief.
Then again, weve all seen what moonbats see as success.
“GM is alive and well and Bin Laden is dead”
“Our troops are returning home and Al Queda has been decimated”
“Egypt has elected a democratic leadership and is finally free of an oppressive regime.”
“And weve got Ronald J Ward stumpin for us”
November 26th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
” Red States are the “dummie states” by far. At the bottom of the barrel when it comes to college degrees per capita.”
Barry has a college degree and he cant perform simple math.
I’ve known Patrick for at least 4 years and know damn well he has no desire to waste time on those immersed beyond reason and could not give a sht what you think.
The majority of felons are also democrats.
Throw that in your intellectual soup.
Funny, the most educated people, ass you claim, reside in blue states which happen to be the most populated per square mile also.
They’re also the biggest fiscal wrecks in the nation.
November 26th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Pat – “part of the statistics that show Democrats are less educated than Republicans.”
Where are those stats? I showed to the Census stats showing Red States at the bottom educationally.
Checkmate…..done with ya! That was easy.
November 26th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
“Barry has a college degree and he cant perform simple math.”
Childish enough to pick on the slip of the tongue of a Summa Cum Laude Harvard Law School Grad Mick? You can do better.
And I’ve known ignoramuses like Pat before. The one’s who can never back up their anecdotes with facts. A typical republican problem we saw in effect on election night.
“Funny, the most educated people, ass you claim…..”
I DIDN’T MAKE A CLAIM. I showed the CENSUS DATA. Jeeeez you right wingers are thick!.
Care to debate what I presented or offer up some other info go ahead.
And if you read the table, POPULATION had nothing to do with the numbers as they were in PERCENTAGES skippy.
“They’re also the biggest fiscal wrecks in the nation.”
PROVE IT! Where did you hear that? Just making stuff up like Pat that he heard on talk radio?
Pretty much every conservative I run across on these type of sites is long in the mouth, long on what their “buddies” tell them, and short on data, facts in support of their position(s).
As if you guys just sit arpound telling each other the same BS all day, engage in intellectual inbreeding, and VOILA!
-Obama’s from Kenya!
-You can be a Marxist with nationalizing a single industry.
-Obama’s taken everyones guns away.
-He’s “violating the Constitution” all over the place yet his administrations gotten but ONE challenge. Which he WON.
-Obama’s a Nazi dictator, a Marxist, in Wall Street’s pocket, AND a weakling all at the same time.
-Obama’s taking America in the wrong direction, but he’s been elected TWICE.
No wonder you guys got such a surprise election night. Finally got smacked in the head with reality.
Pine hitting skull.
November 26th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
“Childish enough to pick on the slip of the tongue of a Summa Cum Laude Harvard Law School Grad Mick? You can do better.”
oh give it a fcking rest already !
Academia has nothing to do with intelligence, only knowledge.
Ass hole spent years in college and my wife who never made it out of high school knows you cant spend more than you make.
I on the other hand never went to high school and had an assoc. science at 17 but have learned more in the six years I’ve had a computer than in all my life.
Unless you want to be treated like an ass hole I suggest you revert back to the guy two weeks ago that said hes not here for a fight.
Your snobbery is astounding dude.
Get off your high fcking horse because you are most certainly not the most astute or intelligent opponent I’ve “cum” across.
November 26th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
“Academia has nothing to do with intelligence, only knowledge.”
The “dimwits” argument.
And maybe you should speak to some of your boys who like to crank it up with the conservative snobbery crap. Because believe me, I don’t need to go there, but if you guys (like Patrick) want to snot up, I’ll run circles around ya!
That nitwit Faye’s not worth mentioning, but some of your other buddies should tamp down the on the rhetoric.
Want to insult people or political parties? Then get ready for some return fire!
And you don’t rate enough for me to care what your opinion of me is dude. I’ll leave it at that.
November 26th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
“And you don’t rate enough for me to care what your opinion of me is dude. I’ll leave it at that.”
Yeah, I’ll take that at face value from some idiot who puts fcking mint jelly on his turkey.
(want a link and citation for that too?)
If you think you can run circles around anyone by using Krugman as a reputable source then you’ve already made yourself dizzy.
By the way.
Eisenhower may not of been a 60s hippie but he was still a fcking democrat coining the term which is the same gotdamn thing you moron.
When you can explain the military industrial complex you detest so much that locked up Japanese Americans under democrat rule, got 60,000 troops killed in Nam under democrat rule and answered to the Cole, the first tower bombing, and our embassies being bombed by going to Kosovo instead under democrat rule…then you’ll be worthy of congenial treatment.
Right now, the last thing we need worry about is a military complex having any effect on our politics when its actually the CICs politics and bullsht PCROE that allowed the mid east to become more unstable than its ever been, rendering all the troops lives given IN THE PAST TEN YEARS FOR FCKING NOTHING !!!
Ambassador Stevens would make my point without exception.
“I swear YOU don’t even know what your ranting about. Just a generic right-wing rant with the word “complex” thrown in.”
Yeah, you morons tried to tie Halliburton into that make believe complex you assume I’m ignorant of.
Problem is…
1) you play checkers, I play chess.
2) Alot of sht goes over your head and you’re not worth explaining to what it is you’re not getting.
3) During wartime the CIC can ” no bid” any contractor needed without congressional approval.
You may have reason to be an ass hole with me as I mistook you for another Ron.
I apologized, but retracted it because in short time you were no different than the other Ron.
But you have no good reason to be the snotty arrogant condescending piece of sht you’ve been with McCain and others.
I will hound your ass as much as I please and prove you wrong at every turn as I have so far, because basically people like you are the pi$$ of the earth whos limited cognition can only see left or right thereby mistaking me and anyone disagreeing with you for those you hate based on ignorant simple minded generalizations.
Bye, you get to sleep on the wet spot
November 26th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
““Academia has nothing to do with intelligence, only knowledge.”
The “dimwits” argument.”
prove me wrong.
Intelligence comes from process of data, not data itself.
You may excel in many scholastic areas, but it will do you no good if you dont have the brain cell count to apply it, or, if your decision making is effected by a faulty ideology, theology, or learned behaviors. Wisdom comes with age, experience etc…
So, “DIMWIT”, in the case of intelligence you’ve been educated but may well remain stupid.
November 26th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Micky – You still rant in circles with the disconnect of an 8 year old.
If I were you, I’d just shut up about your Eisenhower/history ignorance. You’re uneducated and didn’t know. Period.
“military industrial complex you detest so much….” When did I ever say that you raging inbred?
“1) you play checkers, I play chess.”
Nah. I actually play chess f-face. 1724 rating. Anytime-anywhere online to teach you further submission. Just name a site. We’ll play, you’ll lose.
“But you have no good reason to be the snotty arrogant condescending piece of sht you’ve been with McCain and others.”
Sorry but McCain got what he dished. Can’t really recall 2 other snarky annoyances on here “askin” for it outside of you two and that pest Faye. Everybody else I treat as they treat me. Had a nice back and fourth with Arriba the other day until your disruptive ignorant azz showed up.
It’s been a pleasure schooling you yet again. You can “hound me” some more with your ignorance of history and circular rants anytime.
My guess is you never got out of high school. Typical ignorant ranting and raving meathead with an attitude. The type who are too undeucated to know how dumb they really are. They snarky kind who call Harvard Law grads dumb…..lol.
Being not the brightest is fine. Being illiterate is fine. But being ignorant and LOUD is something I don’t suffer lightly mate!
I rate you an untrained 85-95.
November 26th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
“So, “DIMWIT”, in the case of intelligence you’ve been educated but may well remain stupid.”
If you ever went to college or worked in “academia” you would know that the most important thing a person does is learn history (the wisdom of others) and apply/use what you’ve learned.
It’s something you could never understand so this argument is moot.
November 26th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
RonM?
Just curious….what is your age and IQ?
College graduate? Business Owner?
“but if you guys want to snot up”
I have no clue what that means but that is an interesting syntax.
You seem very angry and condescending…OH Wait…..You’re a Progressive Liberal Moonbat!!! Oblamo won and you are still bitching and moaning.
November 26th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
MickHoney-
Me thinks RonM doesn’t approve of certain people on this forum. Isn’t he the “new” kid on the block?
ROFLMAO
November 27th, 2012 at 4:50 am
“You’re a Progressive Liberal Moonbat!!!”
Yeah. Even though my side won the election, it’s still my duty to stamp out ignorance amongst Teabillie Inbreds like you and others wherever I see it.
Just consider it the free education you guys never got.
November 27th, 2012 at 5:13 am
Micky –
“By the way.
Eisenhower may not of been a 60s hippie but he was still a fcking democrat coining the term which is the same gotdamn thing you moron.”
Ike was a Republican you inbred. Nixon was his VP. You display your ignorance at every turn dude. Typical uneducated, fact-challenged con.