Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
There are two beautiful truths everyone should know about the First Amendment to the US Constitution. An understanding of these two truths is the only hope we have for remaining a truly free society.
The first truth is simple and obvious; the First Amendment is one sentence. “Short and sweet,” some might say. It was written to be broad, inclusive, and authoritative. In that one sentence the “four pillars” of free speech; freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and the right to petition government, are all touched upon as co-equal rights.
Second, it is a restriction upon the government, not the people. Thus the amendment states that “Congress shall make no law” either favoring or prohibiting religious freedoms, press freedoms, free speech, and our right to petition government. At first the law applied only to the federal government, but in 1925, the US Supreme Court ruled in Gitlow v. New York that Fourteenth Amendment protections imposed the same limitations on state government as well.
So, what the First Amendment amounts to is my guaranteed right to offend some or even all my fellow citizens with what I say and write. No doubt some have read my articles and already been offended. For those who have offended me with their ideas I say only, “more power to you!”
Which is why one of the greatest ironies of modern times is that a few powerful and influential liberals have flipped this law on its head so as to justify the use of government power to restrict free speech. These so-called ‘intellectuals’ in their wisdom have determined, for example, that “freedom of religion” really means “freedom from religion.” And since government, in their minds, is the impartial, benevolent force that guides us, it is their job to insure free of religion, speech, the press, and the right to petition through the creation of rules, ordinances, and laws.
By taking a Jefferson quote regarding the “wall of separation” between church and state out of context, liberals have argued that the “wall” referred to by Jefferson is a call to legislation and judicial activism. Of course, what Jefferson really meant was that the First Amendment serves as more of a restraining order against government. It’s meant to insure that government cannot do the very things that liberals insist it must do, restrict and regulate free speech. How do we know this to be true? Because Jefferson said many other things about this amendment, such as this illuminating quote:
I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions . . . or exercises. Letter to Samuel Miller, 1808.
Here we can truly understanding the definition of “wall” from Jefferson’s oft quoted “wall of separation” comment to Danbury Baptists. He was saying that it’s a barrier, a restraining order, against government. The government has no power to regulate the free exercise of religion. The people themselves are not similarly restrained. But, in the minds of some liberals, exactly the opposite is true. How can government be put in charge of enforcing the First Amendment when this amendment prohibits government from making laws respecting or abridging these freedoms?
This is akin to putting the fox in charge of the hen house. Why not just change the law so that, when a court issues a restraining order against an abusive person, they put that same person in charge of enforcing the order? That makes just as much sense as what we see today with government and judicial activism in regards to our speech rights.
Thus we have “free speech zones” where protesters are ‘allowed’ to assemble when a public figure is speaking at a rally, speech codes in schools and on college campuses across the country, restrictions on the use of public facilities by religious organizations, censorship of monuments that might in any overt or covert way express religious faith, a myriad of campaign finance laws which tell candidates when and how they can address the public with donations provided by the public, and many other such restrictions.
One of the true strengths of a democratic society is the ability to express ourselves freely. With the right to free speech comes the guarantees someone is going to be offended at some level. Which is why, the true test of tolerance is not our ability to repress offensive ideas, speech, art, etc., but our ability to answer back with more speech to counter those offensive ideas. The only real answer to speech with which we disagree is more speech, not less.
The final thing to consider is this. The Constitution was crafted in such a way that it gave fundamental power to the people, not the government. It was a rejection of the idea that a few elites were better equipped to run our lives than we ourselves are equipped to run them. It was an affirmation of the wisdom inherent in a free society to run its own affairs.
In the past 100 years we have seen an attempt on the part of the elites to turn away from that principle and to once again assert the supposed right of the few to lead the many. It’s a philosophy that has been disproved continuously through all of human history, and it’s one which we must not allow in this country again. As Benjamin Franklin once said, “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”









November 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Very thoughtful summary of liberal government contempt of free speech when exercised by the people whom it considers subjects and not citizens.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Anyone believe Obama has ever read the constitution?
November 18th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
You are correct, the constitution restricts the government’s powers and not the peoples.
There are so many first amendment cases, it is amazing to study and debate each, and many may not suspect certain things of being a first amendment case. This includes things like school vouchers, as should the government be providing funding to a school which may be dominational?
November 18th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Patrick McCain – Obama was a professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School for 8 years.
November 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
I think the president read the Constitution, but I think he has a classical liberal view of it. that is, as a living document. He sees Constitution in many ways limiting his power to do “the right thing” for people, and thus ignores it. It’s the view that some liberal elites have that they know better how to lead us little people. And the great irony is that the Constitution was created to empower the federal government, replacing the Articles of Confederation which did not give enough authority to a central government. The Bill of Rights was put into place to help keep that government away from certain areas, and then the amendment process was created to fix glaring problems or address the future concerns of the country.
But liberals don’t like the amendment process because it means they have to rely on the judgement of the American people rather than their own sage wisdom. Pardon me while I go barf.
November 18th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
“Obama was a professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago Law School for 8 years.”
Yeah, so ?
November 18th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
micky – “Yeah, so ?”
I think that means Obama’s read the Constitution, seeing as that he was a scholar of it at one of the countries top law schools for almost a decade….. To answer Patrick’s question.
November 18th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Comprehending and reading are two different things.
The question Patrick asks is a valid inquiry since it would seem Barry does not follow it.
For example.
Obamacare
It was argued that the law could be considered a tax, and this is the argument the court bought.
Specifically, the court held that the individual mandate is not a “penalty,” as the health-care law identified it, but a tax, and therefore a constitutional application of Congress’s taxation power.
Previous to the SCOTUS ruling Barrys application would of been unconstitutional.
So, reading the constitution a hundred times does no good if you’re applying Marxism to your interpretation.
Millions of lawyers and politicians have read the Constitution as pre-requisite. The interpretations some legislate by have lost in court.
A simple difference in title can mean everything.
In this case a fee being called a (mandatory) penalty and not a tax was unconstitutional.
This a basic construct anyone professing in the constitution should know
November 18th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Actually, the president was an Associate Professor, not a full professor.
Just saying…
November 18th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
“I think that means Obama’s read the Constitution, seeing as that he was a scholar of it at one of the countries top law schools for almost a decade…..”
RonM?
Define scholar.
Define “top law schools”
Better yet–Define “Community Organizer”
ROFL.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Faye – Have you ever heard of the search engine called “Google”?
You seem a bit lazy so I’ll do some work for you “this time”.
—————-
Best Law Schools In America
U.S.News & World Reports 2012
#5 University of Chicago,Chicago, IL
(Sounds pretty “top” to me)
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The rest you can look up for yourself…..If you know how to that is…..LOL.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Micky – As the legislation was written and as the SCOTUS ruled, explain to me the difference between a tax as penalty, and a penalty enforced in the form of a tax?
As I wasn’t a unanimous decision, there’s probably room for interpretation. Have to admit I haven’t read all the justices opinions.
David Flanagan – Correct you are. Obama taught while practicing law.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:35 am
Faye – Have you ever heard of the search engine called “Google”?
RonM?

Yes indeedy I have. The CEO kisses Blamo’s a**.
Now go buy some kneepads and bow down.
You are a moonbat sheeple.
Next you will tell us to join AARP (Insert Bailout Money Here)
ROFL.
Like a typical democrap-you dodged the question.
Blamo is NO scholar.
November 19th, 2012 at 3:26 am
If you have not read this book, I highly recommend it. President Obama won himself a second term, but he’s still an amateur:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Amateur-Edward-Klein/dp/1596987855/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353323215&sr=8-1&keywords=the+amateur
November 19th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Nicely done, David!
Hey Patrick, Obama has read Nancy Pelosi’s abridged summation of the U.S. Constitution. Kind of like Cliff Notes for Dummies.
Sometimes I do wish that we had gone with Roger Sherman’s version of the Bill of Rights, as it put free speech second after his First Amendment, a wider, more comprehensive argument for keeping and bearing arms.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Faye – I’m new to this site and learning very quickly who is serious, mature, worth engaging in conversation/debate with, and who is a name-calling adolescent with nothing to offer except a waste of my time. I place you in the latter category.
I was under the first impression that this was a serious site for adults. Not a place for calling people “moonbats”….etc.
As for your question that you say I dodged, define “Community Organizer”? Sure
DEFINITION-
“Community Organizer”:
A commonly used phrase by the American Republican Party to describe a two term President of the United States.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:00 am
David Flanagan – So you’re referencing a “birther” like Ed Klein? A guy who claims Rev. Wright convinced Obama to embrace Christianity and Islam AT THE SAME TIME? That’s like citing Trump if you ask me. Sorry. Try citing a Krauthammer, or G.F. Will…etc. I may disagree with those guys, but at least they’re not in the tin-foil hat crowd.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Ron,
I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I’ve heard Ed speaking to Medved several times and he’s not a birther and certainly does not believe that Obama is a Muslim. The Amateur does address the Wright situation, but it only discusses his association with Pastor Wright and puts the situation into, I think, a relevant context.
If you’re talking about the 2010 Ed Klein book, The Obama Identity (I think that’s the title), that was fiction and you can find it in the humor section of Amazon. That tells you about the liberal sense of humor more than Obama himself I think.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:07 am
I’m struggling to think of just three good Republican comedians. Clint Eastwood with his whole empty chair bit was hilarious, but I’m drawing a blank after that…
Can you name two more?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
David Flanagan – To be honest, with the likes of Ann Coulter in conservative ranks, the line between serious and satire get’s a bit blurred. If someone had told me there would be “birthers” years ago, I would have though it was something satirizing the right.
As for the “real” Ed Klein, can you give me a synopsis of his Obama thoughts….
And your reason for the mention of his book.
thks…
November 19th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Snow Crash – Ann Coulter and Jim Nabors.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Ron M;
“DEFINITION-
“Community Organizer”:
A commonly used phrase by the American Republican Party to describe a two term President of the United States.”
” I’m new to this site and learning very quickly who is serious, mature, worth engaging in conversation/debate with…
… I place you in the latter category.
I was under the first impression that this was a serious site for adults.”
And yet you submit that community organizer is a two term president ?
You failed the intellectual honesty test bro.
You’re no better than anyone else here.
Matter of fact, you suck big time.
You and your posts are actually not debatable since they’re all based on your opinion and claims with nothing to back them.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Snow;
“I’m struggling to think of just three good Republican comedians.”
Dennis Miller
Greg Gutfeld
Evan Sayat
Brad Stine
Brian Regan
Leslie Nielsen
Dennis Leary
Drew Carey
Adam Sandler
That was easy
November 19th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Micky – I never said Obama wasn’t an organizer. He did it for a few years before he went off to Harvard. Kinda like Mitt Romney being a missionary you know.
Anyway. Do you always have to revert into making personal attacks…name-calling….etc?
Seriously. You sound very bipolar to me. Seems like you just want to start fights and scream. If this is the only way you can communicate with people, then please leave me alone and go harass someone else.
Thanks.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
“Anyway. Do you always have to revert into making personal attacks…name-calling….etc?
Seriously. You sound very bipolar to me”
Your stupid.
First you condemn personal attacks and then launch one by way of questioning ones psych eval.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Correction…”You’re” stupid.
I am however an occasional dickslesyck.
You’re not honest Ronald, you claim things based on assumptions based on sheer ideological bigotry.
You expect folks to research data upon your request that makes your case for you.
Thats about as backasswards a thought process as there can be.
“If this is the only way you can communicate with people, then please leave me alone and go harass someone else.”
You dont get to pick n chose baby.
You are the poster child for arrogant snotty condescending liberals and I will call you on it as I please
November 19th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Ron,
Shall I write you a book report?
I’ll remind you that it was Hillary Clinton’s people that came up with the whole “Birther” silliness. And even Rush Limbaugh mocks the Birthers, as do mainstream Republican’s everywhere. The only reason Trump got in on that action was a desperate need to plug Celebrity Apprentice.
As for Ed Klein’s thoughts, it was more the thoughts of those he interviewed. He claims 200 people, including many Democrats who both like and support the president. I don’t think he goes personal, he just notes how President Obama came into the office with no executive experience and really no temperament to govern at that level. I thought he made his case very well, but you should give it a read and decide for yourself.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Micky -
Define bigotry
Define communicate
Better yet–Define “dickslesyck”
ROFL.
-Just acting like Faye and being assinine.
Please waste your time getting definitions for me so I can pick them apart word by word to start a new argument……sheesh!
P.S. Nice pick up on the “your/you’re”. I was just about to let you have it mate…..:)
November 19th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
David Flanagan – Of course with any book of this type that relies on the objective interviewing of associates, it depends on who’s being asked, how they’re being asked, and the background of the person doing the asking.
Just based on his background, taking Ed Klein as an objective author on a book on Obama would be like taking Michael Moore for an objective filmmaker on a bio of George Bush. I would approach it with GREAT skepticism.
However. Maybe I’ll take it out when it hits the library here.Klein’s not getting any of my money with a sale…:)
Regards.
November 19th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
“P.S. Nice pick up on the “your/you’re”. I was just about to let you have it mate…..:)”
Yeah, I guess you missed the humorous irony attached as “dickslesyck”
I dont deny being a dick or an ass hole.
I’m at peace with myself, the truth has set me free.
One thing I’m not is a liar, an ideological bigot or an obfuscating pedantic and trivial jerk.
There used to be a caliber of liberals who frequented this blog that could carry on a discussion without the mindset that anything right is wrong and everything left is good.
If they do still frequent these threads such as Snow and Buzz they’ve gone from somewhat reasonable to full blown mindless drones.
Things are bad right now, they are no doubt going to get worse, and I have little tolerance for those pi$$ing on my leg telling me its raining.
Holding the present Commander in Chief responsible has become a non-existent quality among liberals.
So, if I’m a little hostile…tough sht.
November 19th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
micky – Like I said before, I stumbled on this site following up on Jindal’s remarks. Not looking for a fight and I have no practical need to politically defend Obama these days. Guess why not?…:P
I just don’t like to see assumedly decent conservatives basing even part of their arguments on falsehoods. The “Obamaphone” and accompanying 47% rhetoric as an example I gave earlier.
So I’ll stop by from time to time when I see BLATANT misinformation.
Next up is this “We lost because Obama suppressed the vote” B/S when Democratic turnout was lower than 2008 as well.
Later…
November 19th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
“Micky – As the legislation was written and as the SCOTUS ruled, explain to me the difference between a tax as penalty, and a penalty enforced in the form of a tax?”
Thats irrelevant. Whats relevant is that Barry said the middle classes taxes would not go up.
Since its ruled Obamacare can only be applied constitutionally as a tax that would contradict Barrys claim of no rise in taxes to the middle income.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
You’ve been here before the Jindal post
“Next up is this “We lost because Obama suppressed the vote” B/S when Democratic turnout was lower than 2008 as well.”
I’ll invite you review this statement before I have to point out how stupid it is.
After that you can consider how hypocritical it is for you to claim you’re going after misinformation, and with that hypocrisy,..how ironically ridiculous its is that you say you have no need to politically defend Obama.
I was about to apologize to you for fear I had confused you with Ronald J Ward.
But, you’re actually very identical.
And who said we lost because Obama suppressed the vote ? We may of lost votes no doubt becausehe did in fact suppress the vote with his BS personal attack ads, but I doubt it was a large enough contribution.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
“You’ve been here before the Jindal post”
Yeah, I’ll apologize for that one.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Personal attack ads against a Presidential challenger?
Say it ain’t so.
Gee, you would think they Swift-Boated the poor guy.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
“Personal attack ads against a Presidential challenger?
Say it ain’t so.”
Buzz, there are personal attacks that hold truth and validity, and those that dont.
Come to think of it, I dont remember this volume of personal attacks until after the Clinton/Bush race.
Candidates were demonized by their policies and not a bunch of conjured up crap.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
My gosh, Obama must have run the dirtiest campaign ever, or perhaps not.
Of course in the earliest days the dirty work was left to surrogates (No Fox back then).
One such surrogate was the influential President of Yale University, a John Adams supporter, who publically suggested that were Jefferson to become the president, “we would see our wives and daughters the victims of legal prostitution.”
The concern was amplified by an influential—and highly partisan—Connecticut newspaper’s warning that electing Jefferson would create a nation where “murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will openly be taught and practiced.”
And that was the soft stuff.
Not to be outdone by the Federalist president’s attacks, Jefferson had a few negative narratives of his own to pitch.
James Callender, an influential journalist and Jefferson supporter, wrote that Adams was a rageful, lying, warmongering fellow; a “repulsive pedant” and “gross hypocrite” who “behaved neither like a man nor like a woman but instead possessed a hideous hermaphroditical character.”
The campaign of 1800 set the standard for dirty presidential campaigns in America, one that would be taken to new heights (or lows) during the election of 1828.
The race was between President John Quincy Adams and his challenger, military hero Andrew Jackson. By the time Jackson prevailed in the race, the headlines would be filled with charges of murder, adultery, and pimping—headlines printed in highly partisan newspapers that make amply clear that today’s media has nothing on our ancestors when it comes to pursuing a political agenda.
Not to be outdone, the Jackson campaign fired back by accusing Adams of having lined up an American girl for the pleasure of the Russian Czar during Adams’ time as Ambassador to Russia.
During the historic debates between Stephen Douglas and the man who would become one of the nation’s most revered presidents, Abraham Lincoln, Douglas accused Lincoln of being a drunk—stating that the future emancipator could “ruin more liquor than all the boys in town together.”
And then there is what many consider the most effective negative ad in modern politics—the “Daisy” television commercial run by President Lyndon B. Johnson in his 1968 race against his Republican challenger, Barry Goldwater—where Johnson essentially said that electing Barry Goldwater would bring on nuclear destruction, killing our nation’s children. (YouTube this ad, it is a beauty). Of course I was safe, because I hid under my school desk, which was obviously impervious to radiation.
And then there is the famous Swift Boating of John Kerry, which really does border on the sublime.
A sometimes pilot who was charged with keeping the skies over Dallas safe from attack was championed by a group that successfully branded an individual who went to a “real” conflict and won medals as a coward.
Now THAT’S audacious.
I think I included examples from a few parties so as not to be branded an “ideological bigot”, whatever that is.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Micky – Regarding taxes/penalties, If you can’t explain the difference, then just say so. The SCOTUS changing the semantics of the bill hardly makes Obama a stoned cold liar.
- I’ve never been her before. And why would I lie about that?
- “And who said we lost because Obama suppressed the vote ?”
Karl Rove said it on Fox as an excuse for his blowing $300million and losing. Just google Rove+suppress+vote.
And Michael Medved said it in a Dialy Beast article referenced on THIS SITE by one of your contributors today.
Now apologize. You are wrong when I said:
“Next up is this “We lost because Obama suppressed the vote” B/S when Democratic turnout was lower than 2008 as well.”
I was correct.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Micky – Regarding taxes/penalties, If you can’t explain the difference, then just say so. The SCOTUS changing the semantics of the bill hardly makes Obama a stoned cold liar.
- I’ve never been her before. And why would I lie about that?
- “And who said we lost because Obama suppressed the vote ?”
Karl Rove said it on Fox as an excuse for his blowing $300million and losing. Just google Rove+suppress+vote.
And Michael Medved said it in a Dialy Beast article referenced on THIS SITE by one of your contributors today.
Now apologize. You are wrong. When I said:
“Next up is this “We lost because Obama suppressed the vote” B/S when Democratic turnout was lower than 2008 as well.”
I was correct.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Micky – Regarding taxes/penalties, If you can’t explain the difference, then just say so. The SCOTUS changing the semantics of the bill hardly makes Obama a stoned cold liar.
- I’ve never been her before. And why would I lie about that?
- “And who said we lost because Obama suppressed the vote ?”
Karl Rove said it on Fox as an excuse for his blowing $300million and losing. Just google Rove+suppress+vote.
And Michael Medved said it in a Daily Beast article referenced on THIS SITE by one of your contributors today.
Now apologize. You are wrong. When I said:
“Next up is this “We lost because Obama suppressed the vote” B/S when Democratic turnout was lower than 2008 as well.”
I was correct.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
buzzbee – Here’s one you forgot…
Gravely Ill, Atwater Offers Apology (for Willy Horton dirty GOP smear campaign)
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/13/us/gravely-ill-atwater-offers-apology.html?pagewanted=print&src=pm
November 19th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
From what I understand, Mr. Rove is persona non grata over at Fox after his, umm.. performance, on election night.
Megan Kelly had to walk down the hall to interrogate the Fox analysts (who were none too pleased) about Rove claiming that it was too early to call Ohio, and thus the election. Additionally, Megyn’s displeasure was also palpable.
On a night when they were already in mourning (to my surprise it was not exactly objective election coverage), Megan was obviously upset and the word is that Roger Ailes is far from happy with Mr. Rove.
Probably not as unhappy as his donors, however, who got very little for their $300 million. They claim he was less than honest about the chances of “their” candidates (he informed them the polls were all biased) and he picked their pockets right up until the very end. After all, he does work on commission.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
“Of course in the earliest days the dirty work was left to surrogates (No Fox back then).”
Great, FDS.
Sure Buzz, I’m sure we can dig up candidates smearing each other for the last two hundred years but if you’re going to pretend it hasnt hit unprecedented levels you’re just being an ass hole.
Ron;”
Micky – Regarding taxes/penalties, If you can’t explain the difference, then just say so. The SCOTUS changing the semantics of the bill hardly makes Obama a stoned cold liar.”
I said it was irrelevant in the face of the decision.
The SCOTUS deemed that as a tax it was constitutional by the powers of congresses taxation powers, so penalties need not apply.
Trust me, or not, I dont give a sht, I do know the difference and so do you.
“I’ve never been her before. And why would I lie about that?”
I apologized bro, learn to read…
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micky Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
“You’ve been here before the Jindal post”
Yeah, I’ll apologize for that one.”
November 19th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Ron, Buzz…
Carry on, have your fun pointing out republicans behaving badly, mental mast*rbation,FOX deraingment syndrome whatever.
That games old, boring.
As if liberals havent destroyed an entire economy.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
micky – “Carry on, have your fun pointing out republicans behaving badly, mental mast*rbation,FOX deraingment syndrome whatever.”
I accept your apology. Now how about the:
“And who said we lost because Obama suppressed the vote ?” -Micky
You owe me an apology for that one too.
Cheers.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Actually, I’m write about the vote Ron. The strategy for Obama’s torrent of very personal and very negative ads was to discourage independents from voting, and it worked. Independents stayed home while Obama’s GOTV efforts did what they were supposed to do. When you have negative campaigns, it discourages voter turnout and low turnout generally favors the incumbent.
President Obama won with 7.5 million fewer votes than in 2008. He’s the first president in history to lose support from his first election and still win a second term. He did so by attacking Romney in a very personal way, all the while accusing conservatives of racism and sexism at every opportunity to make it seem as if Republicans were trying to play dirty.
It’s certainly not my problem that you can’t look at the numbers from this election and see what is obvious.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Sorry, meant to say “right,” not “write.”
November 19th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
“Sure Buzz, I’m sure we can dig up candidates smearing each other for the last two hundred years but if you’re going to pretend it hasnt hit unprecedented levels you’re just being an ass hole.”
First of all, as I have never exhibited disrespect towards you, I expect the same level of respect. Please refrain from invoking profanity and name callnig towards me. Who do you think that reflects on?
Furthermore, did you read the comment?
“we would see our wives and daughters the victims of legal prostitution.”
“murder, robbery, rape, adultery and incest will openly be taught and practiced.”
“repulsive pedant” and “gross hypocrite” who “behaved neither like a man nor like a woman but instead possessed a hideous hermaphroditical character.”
And you think we are now at new lows?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
David, that is not voter suppression, but influential advertising toward a target market.
It is certainly a broad definition to label that voter suppression.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Buzz, the term can be used broadly. You can read the wikipedia definition here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression
Here is what they say: “Voter suppression is a strategy to influence the outcome of an election by discouraging or preventing people from exercising their right to vote. It is distinguished from political campaigning in that campaigning attempts to change likely voting behavior by changing the opinions of potential voters through persuasion and organization. Voter suppression instead attempts to reduce the number of voters who might vote against the candidate or proposition advocated by the suppressors.”
The Obama Campaign knew for months they had lots independents. If independents showed up to vote, they would have voted decisively for Romney. So what did Obama do? He went negative in a major way, running ads such as “Romney, he’s not one of us.” He attacked Romney for secret bank accounts, for tax fraud, for owning a show horse, for having a bad singing voice, for killing a man’s wife.
It was an intensely personal, intensely negative campaign, and the goal was to suppress turnout among independents. The fact is, turnout among independents was way down. They were turned off by the ads. Mission Accomplished Mr. President.
The problem now is the president has to deal with the fiscal cliff, his own disastrous health care plan, the middle east meltdown, a possible new recession in the US, and a country where the vast majority of Americans believe we are headed in the wrong direction.
And the final issue he must deal with is simply the fact that no president has ever had a second term that is more successful than the first. He’s now a lame duck president and he has a host of looming issues. He’s in for a rough four years I think.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
““And who said we lost because Obama suppressed the vote ?” -Micky
You owe me an apology for that one too.
Cheers.”
You’re going to have to show me bro.
I cant find anyone who claimed that on this thread and I’m not about to comb thru 50 comments to find it.
Although I see David has stood you corrected.
To apply voter suppression one need not only mess with registration, early or absentee procedures and access.
You can put an angry New Black Panther with a night stick in a polling place doorway and get results.
Or simply run false ads that scare the crap out of folks less informed than us bloggers.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
“And the final issue he must deal with is simply the fact that no president has ever had a second term that is more successful than the first. He’s now a lame duck president and he has a host of looming issues. He’s in for a rough four years I think.”
“He’s” in for a rough four years ?
David, you’re far more considerate and a better man than I am.
Yeah, the left loosing seats in the senate may be the only hedge that saves our asses.
I hope the only rough hurdles he falls over are the tried and true measures that will fix our economy and lose all doubt as to who our enemies are.
With Benghazi as an example we’re pretty much screwed in that dept.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Under that definition then there has been voter suppression in every election, which meand this is just more of the same.
Isn’t this simply a case of more people preferred Obama to Romney? Isn’t that possible?
Both sides put on what they thought was their most vigorous campaign and that was the result.
What most amazes me, however, is when people say Romney was “too moderate”.
What will the demographic be in four years?
More minorities, an influx of young voters and the death of old white guys like me.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Just out of curiosity, is the wish of many of you that our country’s economy recovers, people get jobs and our troops soon return home or that we spiral into a deep morass, thereby increasing the likelihood that the evil Democrats are swept out of office?
November 19th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Buzz, the thing you don’t understand about is that most candidates run ads to persuade people to vote for them over their opponent. Generally, presidents run on their record, but President Obama ran far more ads attacking Romney in a very personal way.
We can argue this point forever, but the numbers speak for themselves, independent turnout was way down, and that favored the president. As for demographic changes, what you need to understand is that it’s only liberals who obsess over parsing populations into small sub-groups. Most Latinos see themselves as white, and in a generation or two, they pretty much will be. It’s not about whether your male or female, black or white, young or old. It’s about what you want from government.
I want the government to provide a safety net. Liberals seem to want a hammock.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Buzz, the thing you don’t understand about is that most candidates run ads to persuade people to vote for them over their opponent. Generally, presidents run on their record, but President Obama ran far more ads attacking Romney in a very personal way.
We can argue this point forever, but the numbers speak for themselves, independent turnout was way down, and that favored the president. As for demographic changes, what you need to understand is that it’s only liberals who obsess over parsing populations into small sub-groups. Most Latinos see themselves as white, and in a generation or two, they pretty much will be. It’s not about whether you’re male or female, black or white, young or old. It’s about what you want from government.
I want the government to provide a safety net. Liberals seem to want a hammock.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Well, the troops will return from Afghanistan and I look forward to that. But, speaking for myself, of course I don’t want the country to spiral into a morass. That’s why I voted for Romney!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
“Under that definition then there has been voter suppression in every election, which meand this is just more of the same.”
Wrong again.
The levels and means are unprecedented.
And its gets worse every time.
My reference to the escalation in down n dirty BS starting from the Clinton timeline was spot on. I believe “boxers or briefs” was the beginning of and end to concern for substantial issues and intellectually honest approach.
Like most rise and falls, it will take some catastrophic occurrence, collapse, to bring things back to earth.
Just because the right has produced a bunch of sub-standard candidates lately does not mean faith in conservative principles need take a back seat to this supposed new right that has to emerge to cater to a lost generation.
The kids will always come back to mommy and daddy when they’ve seen their simplistic idealism fail.
Its just a matter of time. (Since there is no money)
November 20th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
“-Just acting like Faye and being assinine.”
RonnieM?
I said define SCHOLAR
You said define BIGOT.
Now who looks ASS IN NINE?
You think Mick is Bi-Polar?
Another Liberal Moonbat PsychoBabbling Arm Chair Quarterback….Let me guess your Psych degree is from U of Chicago??
Let me check my DSM and see where I can find you….;)
November 20th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
All I can say is I am glad to see the Right Pundits comment community exercising their first amendment right to free speech. Not that the right actually exists on a website, but the illusion is heartwarming. And I will continue advocating for less offending and more brotherly love, because conservatives are nicer people.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Bi-polar
I remember when training as a substance abuse counselor overhearing a rookie counselor and one of the more seasoned experienced counselors talking about a certain client.
The rookie ask the old timer what he thought this clients root problem was.
The old timer said “hes bi-polar”.
The rookie asked “what do you with these guys ?”
The old timer said “you shoot them”
Gosh Ron, all this time I thought it was just the news and moonbats that made me suicidal.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Patrick McCain – “And I will continue advocating for less offending and more brotherly love, because conservatives are nicer people.”
Thanks for being one of the few adults in the room Pat……:)
November 20th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Kiss ass
November 21st, 2012 at 6:05 am
Micky – “Kiss ass”
Thanks for making my point Micky.