I assume that this has to be the low point of the Romney Presidential campaign. At least I can’t envision very many things that can go wrong that haven’t since Hurricane Isaac. First, the Republican convention was expected to produce a bump, but after the first day was cancelled because of the storm, the rest of it became compressed into caricature. Then came the Democratic convention, where the combination of Michelle Obama and Clinton gave speeches that increased Democrats’ enthusiasm.
Then came the Libya/Egypt situation where Mitt clumsily tried to make a political point while our embassies were under stress. Parenthetically, just imagine how differently the political campaign would look now if Romney would have said regardless of our political differences, it is important for these murderers to know that we all stand together as one.
Now this newest contretemps of the videotape. My guess is that Democrats and the media will hammer endlessly at each of the demographic groups included in the 47%, the elderly, unemployed, disabled, etc. I actually believe the part of the video that will have the worst repercussion will be the joke about Mexican parents. So, like I said at the beginning of this piece, I’m assuming that this is the lowest point that the Romney campaign. Let’s look at the odds on both Intrade and IEM this morning. We’ll review it soon to see how they’re changing over the next 7 weeks.
Intrade currently has a price of 67.4% for Obama and 32.6% for Romney. According to a formula that I’ve devised, and which proved accurate in 2008, this implies that Obama, according to the website, is expected to win 54.1% of the two-party vote.
As discussed here earlier, Iowa Electronic Markets (IEM) is a real-life marketplace where people can place bets on a number of things, both political and economic. The interesting thing about the site is that the results bear an uncanny resemblance to the results on Election Day, as we get close to the November election. IEM has two different markets: a winner-take-all one like on Intrade and one where, in effect, the bettor tried to project the popular vote percentage each candidate will get. The latter market is similar to a stock purchase. You can buy or sell at any point prior to the election; after Election Day, each owner gets back the actual percentage back, regardless of what they paid.
For example, say there is a random guy called Andy. He buys 100 shares of Romney at today’s price, which is $.471. Then, on Election Day, Romney gets 50.1% of the popular vote. So Andy would wallow in his big buck windfall of $3.
Currently, the winner-take-all IEM market has a price of $.733 for Obama. Once again, using my handy-dandy system, this works out to the President getting 54.8% of the two-party vote in November. In the other IEM Presidential election market, Obama currently has a price of $.541. In this market, if Romney wins, people who bought Obama shares would lose everything.
As I wrote earlier, I think these numbers will be Obama’s high water mark. Each Tuesday, for the next 6 weeks, I hope to update these so we can either applaud my wisdom, or laugh at my naivete.









September 18th, 2012 at 9:50 am
You are correct, dems will make political hay out of this. But it’s not just the elderly, unemployed and disabled that fall into the 47%. A married couple with a single income of $60,000 and three children will effectively get their income tax back at the end of the year. They pay homeowners taxes, sales taxes, often payroll taxes, but no federal income taxes. It’s not those who do not work and never plan to who will be offended by Romney’s statement. It’s the more than half of his 47% who do work, have worked all their lives and plan to for the foreseeable future who will resent the statement that they are basically parasites on society, see themselves as “victims” and believe the government has a responsibility to give them free stuff. Interesting predicament for Romney who faces rumors that he also pays no income taxes.
September 18th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
When I was an Ironworker, and moonbat, I filed as married with 12 dependents. A union package totaling 36.00 an hour (nearly 60 large gross per year) was not enough.
Paying taxes was not as much a patriotic thing to do on their part, as most liberals would have you believe.
Most liberals who say they dont mind paying taxes are caught up in the rationale that they deserve this money back anyway. They do, but only as a safety net. Like any insurance its unsustainable if everyone takes advantage.
Eventually the IRS caught up with me after my recovery from liberalism and we settled.
At this point, in this countrys position, its not too far fetched to imagine that the majority of taxpayers, liberal or conservative, are going to make every dollar stretch as far as they can and keep as much of their money as possible.
The difference is, and what drives Romneys statements home, is that I, and not liberals,resent being in the position of contemplating applying for food stamps.
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@ Arriba
Thanx
September 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
You seriously think that nearly half this country wants to be on food stamps???
I pay my taxes – lots and lots of them. I resent the hell out of having to pay for people who are unwilling to work. But there is NO WAY you, or Romney, can tell me that 47% of my fellow Americans are lazy takers. Sorry.
September 18th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
It is a proven fact that as long as Unemployment Payments are extended, most recipients are willing to kick-back and Make Do for a while longer.
As Food Stamps no longer have to be counted out on the conveyer, at the register, the Food Stamp Debit cards are a very private matter.
I have intimate knowledge of quite a few louts.
AND, every single one of them is White.
September 18th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
no problem, micky.
September 18th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
“You seriously think that nearly half this country wants to be on food stamps???”
No, but a little less than half obviously think the country is in debt to them for more than what our governments purpose is.
Then theres the few confused liberals like you who also voted for Obama… … bucks.
“I pay my taxes – lots and lots of them. I resent the hell out of having to pay for people who are unwilling to work. But there is NO WAY you, or Romney, can tell me that 47% of my fellow Americans are lazy takers. Sorry.”
Yeah, thats not what he said.
The word “lazy” was never used.
Although if they put half as much energy into hustling the system as victims, as they should creating wealth, we’d all be in better position.
Food stamps are being handed out today like free lube at a Frisco parade.
So spare me the outrage.
September 18th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Based on your assessment Arriba, sounds like Mitt’s toast. It’s refreshing to see an honest analysis.
At this point, all Obama has to do is lay low and ride it out while amusingly watching Mitt wrestle with removing his foot from his mouth. While adding yet another war on the culturally inferior to the long list of women, gays, workers, non-workers, minority, poor, and anyone not like him, it appears he’s considerably reduced his odds.
September 18th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Right Ron.
Last week you and other moonbats were all lit up over polls showing Romney a few points behind.
Today, those same polls, Rasmussen & Gallup,have Romney ahead. Still within a margin of error, but in his favor.
Hedge your bets.
Many markers are based on the 08 turnout.
We now have four pathetic years to look back on.
Of course, if the media were honest it would play Obamas 2001 “redistribution” comments or re-visit Joe The Plumber juxtaposed to Romneys poorly structured, but true statements.
” But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendancy to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.”
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/10/26/audio-obama-the-marxist/
And please, dont say how refreshing honesty is after you’ve been through ten pairs of dancing shoes since you’ve been here.
Its insulting even to a non academic piece of white bible clinging gun toting trailer park trash domestic terrorist like myself
September 18th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
I guess I can speak from my experience with latinos. Many, many, many are happy with the entitlement programs because it’s easy money, no sweat. They are experts in gaming the system. The heck, there’s a financial engine about it, Chicago-Mafia style. Latinos are not forged under the Christian-value system that this nation inherited from the founders (liberals: just in case, save your revisionism of history for another time).
Latinos here behave largely like in Venezuela, where Chavez have has bought like 60% of them through “spreading the wealth”, and that’s exactly what Obama is doing here.
September 19th, 2012 at 6:21 am
There are still 48 days to go and most of the latest polling shows the races tightening with Romney actually gaining ground. I am curious if we know the details of the InTrade numbers? I recall how in 2008, there was a spike for McCain which was traced to a group in Virginia trying to manipulate the stats.
September 19th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Andy, you make a point that Intrade can be affected by a few big bets, sort of like a point spread in a football game would be affected by one guy betting a million $ on a game. That’s why I compared its results to IEM which doesn’t have the same problem. Since the two of them have similar results, I’d guess that that isn’t what’s going on.
September 19th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Andy, I’m curious what polls you and Micky have found to to say that Romney’s gaining ground. The only one I’m finding close is a dead tie with Rasmussen and I think anyone with an iota of reasonable intellect understands you have to take Scott’s findings with a couple pounds of salt.
From what I’m seeing, polls have Mitt falling like a rock (down 8 points by PEW), 3 GOP senatorial candidates and GOP Gov. Susanna Martinez throwing him under the bus, prominent right wing journalist denouncing him, top GOP Senate leaders running from him, and aides and advisers perplexed as how to recover.
I visit a broad selection of news sources, editorials, and blogs and haven’t seen anything other than Romney pitching any hopes away.
September 19th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
If only I was a Mexican?
I deferred military service for bicycling in France.
I lived in a 5bedroom house while there, with a chef/ housekeeper and houseboy.
I claimed I lived like poor people then.
I spent the duration of the Vietnam War, proselytizing and converting people to my faith.
At Bain when I became the CEO; I turned the company from venture Read More…
I acquired Damon Corps medical labs and while there the company defrauded Medicare to the tune of 100s of millions. When I left the company was bankrupt and 1000 people lost their jobs.
I oversaw the second biggest Medicare fraud in History when Bain bought DamonCorp. LabTesting
I lay off more than 10’s thousand living, breathing people, solely to line my own pocket.
I enjoy firing people.
Of the companies I didn’t completely bankrupt, I drove 10,000s of people with livable wages into accepting minimum wage and told every single one, if they don’t like it they could leave.
At the same time I gave top management huge pay raises.
I created 10,000s of jobs on foreign shores and people who worked for me there, earned a couple dollars a day, See Global tech. China and Haier Electricals China.
I retired…
I pay 13%; in taxes on unhidden money which until it became illegal in 2011 I hid in tax havens.
I had the third lowest employment rate in any state in America as governor.
While I was governor, I used the Heritage Foundation’s Healthcare plan and created Romneycare’.
It lowered the insurance costs for Massachusetts by 1/3 since introduction.
I was proud when President Obama decided to use the plan, as I thought it would help my chances of becoming President but it was vilified by my party on purely political grounds, so backed away from it.
I cost the state $200000 when I left by replacing all of the states government computers to hide my record.
I think corporations are people but if you look at my history, you’ll find I don’t think people are worth telling the truth.
I have made $1/4billion by destroying thousands of lives.
I don’t care about any of those lives, and as you can see, I have no intentions of being honest with them.
And I insulted half the nation for Pete’s sake.
September 19th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Ron, wise up.
Go look at Rasmussen and Gallups trend since last week.
Next weeks polling will be different also.
Romneys 47% remark, Barrys numerous redistribution quotes will change things.
Any idiot knows this. (maybe not)
Your best reference should be the polls between Carter and Reagan 3 weeks prior to election day.
As little as 5 days before election day everything pointed to Carter winning.
Reagan cleaned his clock in an economic environment very much like this one.
“I visit a broad selection of news sources, editorials, and blogs and haven’t seen anything other than Romney pitching any hopes away.”
Your funny.
Most conservatives are all in favor of Romney elaborating on his 47% remarks. While poorly structured with two minutes edited by moonbats, the majority of honest people know exactly what he was talking about while liberals try to spin it as if the 47% are all seniors, vets, and families of five.
The fact is this.
Romney was talking about food stamps,welfare,healthcare, ENTITLEMENTS !!!!
Nowhere did he mention SS,UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE,MEDICAID,VA benefits and other safety nets people rightfully paid into and deserve.
And please, spare me, your posts clearly reflect Daily Kos, Huffers Post,and the Jayson Blair Times… …they dont count.
Which reminds me.
Never in my life did I think we’d see Newsweeks cover telling Barry to beat it !
BWAAAAAAH… HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!
September 19th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
amber, I expect many liberals to be mindless drones, but apparently instead of thinking, you just decided to plagiarize completely your comment. I get it, I really do. You’re inundated every day with nonsense from your ideological compatriots. Being the village idiot of the troupe, you have no higher ambition than to steal from one of the half-wits who you read. well done, amber.
Now is the time, if this were a class, I could advise you to see the provost, as you’ve been kicked out of school.
September 19th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Amber.
Bain also holds the securities for many teacher unions pensions.
Did you know Barry the Community organizer and Chicago slumlords put thousands on the street ?
Where’d Barry serve ?
What happened to the 6 trillion ?
Hows those aplogies workin for ya in the mid east ?
Who was it who said that the constitution projects negative rights ?
go away
September 19th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Yeah, Ron, wise up.
You are obviously reading the “wrong” material.
Just so we are clear, what are the approved sources of information that we should be reading?
September 19th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
From Greta Van Susteren’s “Gretawire” we have the latest Fox News pollings.
FOR RELEASE: Wednesday, September 19, 2012
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09/19/12 Fox News Poll: Florida, Ohio and Virginia
President Barack Obama has the edge over Republican Mitt Romney in three potentially decisive states in the presidential election.
Obama tops Romney by seven percentage points among likely voters in both Ohio (49-42 percent) and Virginia (50-43 percent). In Florida, the president holds a five-point edge (49-44 percent).
Obama’s lead is just outside the poll’s margin of sampling error in Ohio and Virginia, and within the margin of sampling error in Florida.
Fox News Poll
2012 Choice For President
Among Likely Voters
Florida Ohio Virginia
Obama-Biden 49% 49% 50%
Romney-Ryan 44% 42% 43%
September 16-18, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
The good news for Romney is that among voters who are “extremely” interested in this year’s election, the races are much tighter. Obama is up by just two points with this group in Virginia (49-47 percent), Florida is tied (48-48 percent), and Romney is up by one point in Ohio (48-47 percent).
Fox News Poll
2012 Choice For President Among
“Extremely” Interested Likely Voters
Florida Ohio Virginia
Obama-Biden 48% 47% 49%
Romney-Ryan 48% 48% 47%
September 16-18, 2012
Extremely Interested Likely Voters ± 4% Pts.
Independents are nearly evenly divided in each of the states, as well.
Majorities of voters are unhappy with how things are going in the country, yet in all three states more say they trust Obama than Romney to improve the economy.
Fox News Poll
Satisfied With How Things
Are Going In Country Today?
Florida Ohio Virginia
Satisfied 44% 41% 45%
Not Satisfied 56% 57% 54%
September 16-18, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
Fox News Poll
Trust To Do A Better Job
Improving Economy & Creating Jobs
Florida Ohio Virginia
Obama 49% 50% 49%
Romney 46% 43% 44%
September 16-18, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
Likewise, in each state more voters believe the Obama administration’s policies have helped rather than hurt the economy — albeit by slim margins: By two points in Florida, three points in Ohio and five points in Virginia.
Fox News Poll
Have Economic Policies Of Obama Admin.
Helped Or Hurt The Economy?
Florida Ohio Virginia
Helped 41% 39% 42%
Hurt 39% 36% 37%
No Difference 19% 21% 19%
September 16-18, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
Amid the turbulent situation in the Middle East, each of the polls shows the president is more trusted than Romney on foreign policy.
Fox News Poll
Trust To Do A Better Job
Handling Foreign Policy
Florida Ohio Virginia
Obama 52% 53% 53%
Romney 43% 40% 40%
September 16-18, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
Obama’s job approval rating and his personal favorability are 50 percent or higher in these three states. In Ohio and Virginia, the president’s favorable rating is 10 percentage points higher than Romney’s, and it’s 6 points higher in Florida.
Fox News Poll
Favorable Opinion Of Candidates
Obama Romney
Florida 55% 49%
Ohio 55% 45%
Virginia 58% 48%
September 16-18, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
Fox News Poll
President Obama’s Job Performance
Among Likely Voters
Florida Ohio Virginia
Approve 52% 50% 53%
Disapprove 45% 46% 45%
September 16-18, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
In addition, Obama supporters are much more likely than Romney supporters to say they “strongly favor” their candidate: In Ohio by 23 percentage points, in Florida by 21 points and by 17 points in Virginia.
Fox News Poll
Best Describes Vote For President
Among Ohio Likely Voters
Obama Romney
Supporters Supporters
Strongly Favor My Candidate 70% 47%
Favor With Reservations 19% 26%
Dislike Other Candidate 10% 26%
September 16-18, 2012
Ohio Likely Voters ± 3% Pts.
Fox News Poll
Best Describes Vote For President
Among Florida Likely Voters
Obama Romney
Supporters Supporters
Strongly Favor My Candidate 74% 53%
Favor With Reservations 14% 20%
Dislike Other Candidate 12% 25%
September 16-18, 2012
Florida Likely Voters ± 3% Pts.
Fox News Poll
Best Describes Vote For President
Among Virginia Likely Voters
Obama Romney
Supporters Supporters
Strongly Favor My Candidate 69% 52%
Favor With Reservations 21% 26%
Dislike Other Candidate 9% 21%
September 16-18, 2012
Virginia Likely Voters ± 3% Pts.
“Obama is nearly matching his 2008 support in these key states while Romney is under-performing compared to Republican John McCain,” says Democratic pollster Chris Anderson, who conducts the Fox News poll with Republican pollster Daron Shaw.
“And a significant enthusiasm deficit among Romney backers suggests he will have headwinds as he seeks to close the gap with the president and turn out his voters.”
Obama won these states in 2008: Florida by 51-47 percent, Ohio by 52-46 percent and Virginia by 52-47 percent. That was the first time a Democrat had won Virginia since 1964.
“The campaigns clearly believe the election may turn on what happens in Florida, Ohio, and Virginia,” says Shaw. “These are the top three states in terms of TV advertising by the campaigns and visits by the candidates.”
The president campaigned in Ohio on Monday and is scheduled to be in Florida on Thursday and Virginia on Friday. Romney plans to be in Florida on Wednesday and Thursday.
More voters than not say it is “pretty neat” to live in a hotly-contested state. Some 45 percent of voters in Virginia and 44 percent in Ohio feel that way, as do 40 percent in Florida. On the other hand, nearly a third in each state says it’s a “big pain.”
Fox News Poll
Living In A Battleground State Is:
Florida Ohio Virginia
Pretty Neat 40% 44% 45%
Big Pain 31% 29% 30%
Mixed 15% 19% 13%
September 9-11, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
Senate Races
The poll also finds Democratic candidates for U.S. Senate topping the Republicans in each of the three states. In Florida, Sen. Bill Nelson is ahead of Republican Connie Mack by a margin of 49-35 percent.
Fox News Poll
2012 Choice For U.S. Senator
Among Florida Likely Voters
Bill Nelson 49%
Connie Mack 35%
Other/Unsure 16%
September 16-18, 2012
Florida Likely Voters ± 3% Pts.
In Ohio, incumbent Sen. Sherrod Brown has the advantage over Republican challenger Josh Mandel by 47-40 percent.
Fox News Poll
2012 Choice For U.S. Senator
Among Ohio Likely Voters
Sherrod Brown 47%
Josh Mandel 40%
September 16-18, 2012
Ohio Likely Voters ± 3% Pts.
Democrat Tim Kaine is preferred over Republican George Allen by 47-43 percent in Virginia.
Fox News Poll
2012 Choice For U.S. Senator
Among Virginia Likely Voters
Tim Kaine 47%
George Allen 43%
September 16-18, 2012
Virginia Likely Voters ± 3% Pts.
Governor Job Ratings
Over half of Virginia likely voters approve of the job Gov. Bob McDonnell (R) is doing (54-28 disapprove).
Fox News Poll
Gov. Bob McDonnell’s Job Performance
Among Virginia Likely Voters
Approve 54%
Disapprove 28%
Unsure 18%
September 16-18, 2012
Virginia Likely Voters ± 3% Pts.
For Ohio Gov. John Kasich (R), 46 percent of Ohio likely voters approve and 38 percent disapprove.
Fox News Poll
Gov. John’s Kasich’s Job Performance
Among Ohio Likely Voters
Approve 46%
Disapprove 38%
Unsure 16%
September 16-18, 2012
Ohio Likely Voters ± 3% Pts.
In Florida, Gov. Rick Scott (R) receives negative ratings: 39 percent approve, while 49 percent disapprove.
Fox News Poll
Gov. Rick Scott’s Job Performance
Among Florida Likely Voters
Approve 39%
Disapprove 49%
Unsure 12%
September 16-18, 2012
Florida Likely Voters ± 3% Pts.
The Fox News poll is conducted under the joint direction of Anderson Robbins Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R) from September 16 to September 18, 2012. The statewide polls are based on landline and cell phone interviews with randomly-chosen likely voters. The total sample of likely voters in each of the three states has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.
ADDITIONAL RESULTS:
Fox News Poll
Trust To Do A Better Job Protecting
U.S. From Terrorist Attacks
Florida Ohio Virginia
Obama 51% 52% 50%
Romney 42% 40% 42%
September 16-18, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
Fox News Poll
Trust To Do A Better Job Protecting
Medicare For Future Generations
Florida Ohio Virginia
Obama 54% 53% 52%
Romney 41% 39% 40%
September 16-18, 2012
Likely Voters Statewide ± 3% Pts.
September 19th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
So he will win “because” of his 47% remark?
I think many on the right will disagree.
Conservative columnist Peggy Noonan led the charge with an opinion article in The Wall Street Journal calling Romney’s campaign “incompetent” and saying that “an intervention is in order.”
Republican strategist Greg Strimple agreed that Romney is in trouble.
“The problem is the campaign is now in a spiral and no one knows how to pull out,” he told Politico.
Three Republican Senate candidates have also broken with Romney over his 47% comments.
The first was Sen. Scott Brown, in addition to Dean Heller of Nevada and Linda McMahon.
New Mexico Gov. Susana Martinez, considered a rising star in the GOP, spoke out against his remarks on Wednesday, just weeks after giving a rousing speech on Romney’s behalf at the Republican National Convention.
Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada, who is running to keep his seat against Democratic Rep. Shelley Berkley, told Politico that his blue-collar background gives him a different perspective on the 47%.
“I just don’t view the world the same way he does,” he said of Romney.
Former speechwriter for George W. Bush, David Frum, stated, “Americans as a whole do not want the person who puts his finger or her finger on the nuclear button to be angry, divisive and jumpy,” Frum concluded. “The way to run for president is to start by being the president.”
But, of course, Noonan and Frum are not approved Conservative commentators since Noonan has the temerity to cash checks from her appearances on Morning Joe and Frum was fired from Fox for what appears to be a bout of objectivity.
September 19th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Actually, the IEM numbers have substantially fallen for Obama since yesterday. He has dropped to .523 and in the winner take all market, is down to .725.
September 19th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
“Actually, the IEM numbers have substantially fallen for Obama since yesterday. He has dropped to .523 and in the winner take all market, is down to .725.”
Yes, but that is more attributable to a regression to the mean and is off the monthly high of .730 (sorry, but I am an itinerant gambler).
Considering the number at the start of the month was .628, the trend is still quite overwhelming.
September 19th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
buzz,
Huh? Look at all of the stuff that I mentioned in my piece that has happened to/by Romney’s campaign this month…and his numbers have still marginally improved. I’d guess that the trend isn’t so bad, assuming his team can avoid doing something inane in the next week or so.
September 19th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
The winner take all price for Obama was .628 on September 1st and is now .725, while Romney’s have gone from .376 to .277.
What am I missing?
September 19th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
“I think many on the right will disagree.”
Yeah, moonbats dictating right thoughts
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I dont watch Greta, or Hannity.
Sorry.
But thats a wonderful cut n paste job.
Still, as I said, hedge your bets.
Carter, like you guys, thought it was in the bag….
…. NOT !
September 19th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
“What am I missing?”
4 years